Happy Orthodox Christmas!

[David Dalton]

Happy Orthodox Christmas (January 7). though it is already
past midnight and thus early January 8 (but still the night
of January 7) here and points east. Is there a Boxing Day
tradition, in which old gifts are boxed up and given to the
poor, in Orthodox tradition as in Western tradition? I am
hoping to give some gifts to the world starting tonight,
hopefully resulting in world peace within two or three days.
If it doesn’t work then I believe it will by Chinese New Year
or the Groundhog Day (the movie?) that follows it.

[v***@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com]

Well, it's not "Orthodox" as much as Julian.

I recently found out the early USA colonies were (Protestant) split between
Julian and Gregorian calendar.

For the record, the Constantinople patriarchate decided in 1929 that either
calendar is OK and has flock using both. But the Greek and Soviet govts
forced the issue, leading to "old" calendar leftists in Greece and rightists
in RUssia.

I think some "Oriental" Orthodox actually celebrate on 8Jan.

I had an amusing family story. My mom knew she was born on Saturday (1925)
but when I was in college I used the computer to print her birth month and it
said Wednesday. But under the old cal she was indeed born on Saturday.

And of course, under Yeltsin, they got days off under both calendars.

[Dr.Who]

Post by v***@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com
Well, it's not "Orthodox" as much as Julian.
I recently found out the early USA colonies were (Protestant) split between
Julian and Gregorian calendar.

"Eight years before, Martin Luther was a lone monk standing for the Word of
God and liberty of conscience at the Diet of Worms. But by 1529, the world
had changed: there was an organized party of government leaders with
consciences bound by the Word of God against tyrannical authority. Not every
protester was a Lutheran. The whole party of the reformers needed a name.
From the protest and appeal at the Diet of Speyer, these breakaways from the
Roman Church began to be called Protestants.

Today Protestants are one of three major branches of Christianity. While all
three hold the same fundamental creed, other differences are many. Perhaps
the key difference is that while the Eastern Orthodox and Roman traditions
combine the Scripture with the authority of church tradition or of a pope,
Protestants claim to find the sole authority for their faith in the Bible,
the Word of God. Many can also be identified because they accept the
priesthood of all believers and the doctrine of justification by faith
alone.”

https://www.christianity.com/church/church-history/timeline/1501-
1600/protestants-1st-called-protestants-11629946.html

IOW, it was the RCC that coined that name. As they were they considered
themselves to have the authority.

Post by v***@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com
For the record, the Constantinople patriarchate decided in 1929 that either
calendar is OK and has flock using both. But the Greek and Soviet govts
forced the issue, leading to "old" calendar leftists in Greece and rightists
in RUssia.
I think some "Oriental" Orthodox actually celebrate on 8Jan.

Were you aware that YHWH decreed a Calendar to live by?

Post by v***@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com
I had an amusing family story. My mom knew she was born on Saturday (1925)
but when I was in college I used the computer to print her birth month and it
said Wednesday. But under the old cal she was indeed born on Saturday.
And of course, under Yeltsin, they got days off under both calendars.

When I was growing up, the Jewish kids got off on all the days observered as
Christian Holidays, AND their own religious holidays. (In the U.S.A.)

[Steve Hayes]

Post by Dr.Who

Post by v***@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com
Well, it's not "Orthodox" as much as Julian.
I recently found out the early USA colonies were (Protestant) split between
Julian and Gregorian calendar.

"Eight years before, Martin Luther was a lone monk standing for the Word of
God and liberty of conscience at the Diet of Worms. But by 1529, the world
had changed: there was an organized party of government leaders with
consciences bound by the Word of God against tyrannical authority. Not every
protester was a Lutheran. The whole party of the reformers needed a name.
From the protest and appeal at the Diet of Speyer, these breakaways from the
Roman Church began to be called Protestants.

And they initially followed the Julian Calendar

"Gradual adoption: Catholic states in Germany adopted the Gregorian
calendar starting in the late 16th century, while Protestant states
resisted initially. Unification and standardization: With the
unification of Germany in 1871, the Gregorian calendar became the
official calendar for the entire empire, establishing a single,
unified system."

See
<https://www.familysearch.org/en/wiki/Germany_Dates_and_Calendars>

[Dr.Who]

Post by Steve Hayes

Post by Dr.Who

Post by v***@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com
Well, it's not "Orthodox" as much as Julian.
I recently found out the early USA colonies were (Protestant) split between
Julian and Gregorian calendar.

"Eight years before, Martin Luther was a lone monk standing for the Word of
God and liberty of conscience at the Diet of Worms. But by 1529, the world
had changed: there was an organized party of government leaders with
consciences bound by the Word of God against tyrannical authority. Not every
protester was a Lutheran. The whole party of the reformers needed a name.
From the protest and appeal at the Diet of Speyer, these breakaways from the
Roman Church began to be called Protestants.

And they initially followed the Julian Calendar
"Gradual adoption: Catholic states in Germany adopted the Gregorian
calendar starting in the late 16th century, while Protestant states
resisted initially. Unification and standardization: With the
unification of Germany in 1871, the Gregorian calendar became the
official calendar for the entire empire, establishing a single,
unified system."
See
<https://www.familysearch.org/en/wiki/Germany_Dates_and_Calendars>

Thank you for that link. It helped clarify some of the issues of time. The
differences between the Times as decreed by the Son of God, and the time as
setup up by those without God. The Natural Order of time, meaning the
Lunar/Solar calendar makes a whole lot of sense, far more than the Julian and
Gregorian calendars ever did.

[pyotr filipivich]

Post by Dr.Who
Thank you for that link. It helped clarify some of the issues of time. The
differences between the Times as decreed by the Son of God, and the time as
setup up by those without God. The Natural Order of time, meaning the
Lunar/Solar calendar makes a whole lot of sense, far more than the Julian and
Gregorian calendars ever did.

If you don't mind your seasons bouncing around on the calendar.
E.G., Passover is always 14 Nissan, but it is in early or late spring?

You might want to examine the history of the Julian reforms. It
seems that the Roman Republic did have a Lunar/Solar calendar,it was
just that the decision when to add a month to keep the calendar and
seasons somewhat in sync was made by the priests. (Just as it was
done in Judea).
The problem was that there was no fixed schedule, and if the
priests liked the consul, they would declare a leap year and add a
month (thereby extending his term in office.) If they did not like
him, they would wait till after his term expired and then add the
month. Or not.
The Julian reforms meant that the seasons and the calendar stayed
in sync for the most part. But by the time of Gregory, the calendar
and the seasons were out of sync by some ten days. i.e., The Spring
Equinox was occurring March 11 instead of March 21, the date on the
Calendar.
The Reformed Julian Calendar, revised the computation of the leap
years, and brought the Spring Equinox (observed) closer to the Date on
the calendar.

But if you want to keep consulting the Jews for the date of
Passover in order to know when Resurrection day is, go right ahead.
tschus
pyotr

--
For many "I am spiritual, not religious".seems the short form of
"I retain the option to adjust my beliefs to fit my lifestyle,
nor be constrained by prior statements about what I said I believe."

[v***@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com]

Quite the contrary, whenever Orthodox/lunar easter falls in may, it snows in
NYC

SO you prefer your climate bouncing around?

THe Farmer Almanac uses the lunar calendar because the moon effects climate
more than the sun

Most of the times you can figure out if winter will be early or late by
looking at the date of CHinese New Year and Jewish Passover.

In fact, I suspect some of this "global warming" is caused by comparing
temepratures along Gregorian instead of lunar dates

[Steve Hayes]

On Sat, 18 Jan 2025 12:18:50 -0800, pyotr filipivich

Post by pyotr filipivich

Post by Dr.Who
Thank you for that link. It helped clarify some of the issues of time. The
differences between the Times as decreed by the Son of God, and the time as
setup up by those without God. The Natural Order of time, meaning the
Lunar/Solar calendar makes a whole lot of sense, far more than the Julian and
Gregorian calendars ever did.

If you don't mind your seasons bouncing around on the calendar.
E.G., Passover is always 14 Nissan, but it is in early or late spring?
You might want to examine the history of the Julian reforms. It
seems that the Roman Republic did have a Lunar/Solar calendar,it was
just that the decision when to add a month to keep the calendar and
seasons somewhat in sync was made by the priests. (Just as it was
done in Judea).
The problem was that there was no fixed schedule, and if the
priests liked the consul, they would declare a leap year and add a
month (thereby extending his term in office.) If they did not like
him, they would wait till after his term expired and then add the
month. Or not.
The Julian reforms meant that the seasons and the calendar stayed
in sync for the most part. But by the time of Gregory, the calendar
and the seasons were out of sync by some ten days. i.e., The Spring
Equinox was occurring March 11 instead of March 21, the date on the
Calendar.
The Reformed Julian Calendar, revised the computation of the leap
years, and brought the Spring Equinox (observed) closer to the Date on
the calendar.
But if you want to keep consulting the Jews for the date of
Passover in order to know when Resurrection day is, go right ahead.

Christians decided quite early on that they didn't need to keep
consulting the Jews, and made their own calculations.

Since the Gregorian reform of 1582 Christians have observed the
Nativity and Pascha at different times, but I doubt if there are many
Quartodecimans left.

[Dr.Who]

Post by Steve Hayes
On Sat, 18 Jan 2025 12:18:50 -0800, pyotr filipivich

Post by pyotr filipivich

Post by Dr.Who
Thank you for that link. It helped clarify some of the issues of time. The
differences between the Times as decreed by the Son of God, and the time as
setup up by those without God. The Natural Order of time, meaning the
Lunar/Solar calendar makes a whole lot of sense, far more than the Julian and
Gregorian calendars ever did.

If you don't mind your seasons bouncing around on the calendar.
E.G., Passover is always 14 Nissan, but it is in early or late spring?
You might want to examine the history of the Julian reforms. It
seems that the Roman Republic did have a Lunar/Solar calendar,it was
just that the decision when to add a month to keep the calendar and
seasons somewhat in sync was made by the priests. (Just as it was
done in Judea).
The problem was that there was no fixed schedule, and if the
priests liked the consul, they would declare a leap year and add a
month (thereby extending his term in office.) If they did not like
him, they would wait till after his term expired and then add the
month. Or not.
The Julian reforms meant that the seasons and the calendar stayed
in sync for the most part. But by the time of Gregory, the calendar
and the seasons were out of sync by some ten days. i.e., The Spring
Equinox was occurring March 11 instead of March 21, the date on the
Calendar.
The Reformed Julian Calendar, revised the computation of the leap
years, and brought the Spring Equinox (observed) closer to the Date on
the calendar.
But if you want to keep consulting the Jews for the date of
Passover in order to know when Resurrection day is, go right ahead.

Christians decided quite early on that they didn't need to keep
consulting the Jews, and made their own calculations.

It was God who called for the dates of the feast of Passover, not man,

Num 9:4-14

4 And Moses spake unto the children of Israel, that they should keep the
passover.

5 And they kept the passover on the fourteenth day of the first month at even
in the wilderness of Sinai: according to all that the LORD commanded Moses,
so did the children of Israel.

6 And there were certain men, who were defiled by the dead body of a man,
that they could not keep the passover on that day: and they came before Moses
and before Aaron on that day:

7 And those men said unto him, We are defiled by the dead body of a man:
wherefore are we kept back, that we may not offer an offering of the LORD in
his appointed season among the children of Israel?

8 And Moses said unto them, Stand still, and I will hear what the LORD will
command concerning you.

9 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,

10 Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, If any man of you or of your
posterity shall be unclean by reason of a dead body, orbe in a journey afar
off, yet he shall keep the passover unto the LORD.

11 The fourteenth day of the second month at even they shall keep it,and eat
it with unleavened bread and bitter herbs.

12 They shall leave none of it unto the morning, nor break any bone of it:
according to all the ordinances of the passover they shall keep it.

13 But the man that is clean, and is not in a journey, and forbeareth to keep
the passover, even the same soul shall be cut off from among his people:
because he brought not the offering of the LORD in his appointed season, that
man shall bear his sin.

14 And if a stranger shall sojourn among you, and will keep the passover unto
the LORD; according to the ordinance of the passover, and according to the
manner thereof, so shall he do: ye shall have one ordinance, both for the
stranger, and for him that was born in the land.

Whether one keeps it or not, the day was ordained by the Lord.

It was also the day that Yeshua, The Lamb of God was slain for the sins of
Mankind, for all who were willing to receive it, and it is ordained by the
same Lord, that we all should honor it according to His words in Matt 26:
26-26, Mark 14:22-25. 1 Corinthians 11 as well as in Luke 22

Post by Steve Hayes
Since the Gregorian reform of 1582 Christians have observed the
Nativity and Pascha at different times, but I doubt if there are many
Quartodecimans left.

Such is the traditions of men. However, things like the former and latter
rain as prophesied by Joel are timed according to the calendar of God, not
man. The point being that there is a time ascertained by fallen man, but to
understand the timing of Gods word, one would be wise to follow the times as
Ordained by God.

[pyotr filipivich]

Post by Dr.Who

Post by v***@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com
Well, it's not "Orthodox" as much as Julian.
I recently found out the early USA colonies were (Protestant) split between
Julian and Gregorian calendar.

[snip]

Post by Dr.Who

Post by v***@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com
For the record, the Constantinople patriarchate decided in 1929 that either
calendar is OK and has flock using both. But the Greek and Soviet govts
forced the issue, leading to "old" calendar leftists in Greece and rightists
in RUssia.
I think some "Oriental" Orthodox actually celebrate on 8Jan.

Were you aware that YHWH decreed a Calendar to live by?

Are you aware that even the Jews use the Gregorian Calendar?

Or do you still abide by the Pharisee's version of the original
Jewish Calendar?
tschus
pyotr

--
For many "I am spiritual, not religious".seems the short form of
"I retain the option to adjust my beliefs to fit my lifestyle,
nor be constrained by prior statements about what I said I believe."

[Dr.Who]

Post by pyotr filipivich

Post by Dr.Who

Post by v***@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com
Well, it's not "Orthodox" as much as Julian.
I recently found out the early USA colonies were (Protestant) split between
Julian and Gregorian calendar.

[snip]

Post by Dr.Who

Post by v***@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com
For the record, the Constantinople patriarchate decided in 1929 that either
calendar is OK and has flock using both. But the Greek and Soviet govts
forced the issue, leading to "old" calendar leftists in Greece and rightists
in RUssia.
I think some "Oriental" Orthodox actually celebrate on 8Jan.

Were you aware that YHWH decreed a Calendar to live by?

Are you aware that even the Jews use the Gregorian Calendar?

Of course they had, and do so at the current time, but they use to old
calendar to the best of their calculations, which is why they say this year
is 5,000 plus.

Are you aware of those who go by the lunar calendar?

Post by pyotr filipivich
Or do you still abide by the Pharisee's version of the original
Jewish Calendar?

I never have, I prefer the calendar of the Torah, in relationship to the
timing of events that are prophesied in the Word of God.

Are you aware of the bible foretelling those who would seek to change times
and dates, that they were not of God?

Post by pyotr filipivich
tschus
pyotr

[Christ Rose]

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Sat, 18 Jan 2025 21:10:47 -0800
<vmi1gn$1g3g4$***@dont-email.me>
Dr.Who <***@nunur.biz> wrote:
========================================

It should be pointed out that "Dr. Who" (a.k.a "None", "Robert),
regularly uses three different nyms. Yet the hypocrite constantly judges
and feigns to stand in judgment of others for not using their "real
name", and instead using "nyms". Dumb hypocrite.l

Post by Dr.Who
Of course they had, and do so at the current time, but they use to old
calendar to the best of their calculations, which is why they say this year
is 5,000 plus.
Are you aware of those who go by the lunar calendar?

"Days, Disputes, and Devotion: Keeping Christ Central"

Christians must be cautious not to impose a legalistic mindset regarding
calendar observances. While some may regard certain days as special and
set apart for worship, others see all days as equally holy. Paul
addressed this in Romans 14:5: “One person esteems one day as better
than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be
fully convinced in his own mind” (Romans 14:5, ESV). This verse
emphasizes that such matters fall under individual conscience, guided by
faith and a desire to glorify God.

Paul also warned against using these practices to judge or burden
others. In Galatians 4:10-11, he rebuked the Galatians for returning to
a legalistic mindset: “You observe days and months and seasons and
years! I am afraid I may have labored over you in vain” (Galatians
4:10-11, ESV). Similarly, in Colossians 2:16-17, he urged believers not
to let others judge them concerning “a festival or a new moon or a
Sabbath. These are a shadow of the things to come, but the substance
belongs to Christ” (Colossians 2:16-17, ESV).

The key is to avoid judging others or binding their consciences with
rules not commanded by Christ. Our focus must remain on glorifying God,
whether through personal observance or freedom from it. The gospel frees
us from relying on external practices for righteousness and directs our
hearts to Christ, who alone is sufficient for our salvation (Romans
14:6-8). Let each believer act in faith, seeking to honor the Lord, and
avoid causing division over disputable matters.
--
Have you heard the good news Christ died for our sins (†), and God
raised Him from the dead?

That Christ died for our sins shows we're sinners who deserve the death
penalty. That God raised Him from the dead shows Christ's death
satisfied God's righteous demands against our sin (Romans 3:25; 1 John
2:1-2). This means God can now remain just, while forgiving you of your
sins, and saving you from eternal damnation.

On the basis of Christ's death and resurrection for our sins, call on
the name of the Lord to save you: "For 'everyone who calls on the name
of the Lord will be saved'" (Romans 10:13, ESV).

https://christrose.news/salvation