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Post by In the Name of JesusPost by Total Victory of Christ (unofficial)Annihilationism | How they take the Bible out of context
https://www.youtube.com/watch? v=xeJQxjx6vxQ
Correction: Pliny the Elder didn't live in the 2nd century he was
actually a contemporary of the Apostle John. Annihilationism has
increased in popularity and it's just not a scriptural doctrine...
Hey, Fella, all sinners take the bible out of context.
Unless, you are one of those perfect ones?
Glad you mentioned the context of the Bible. Let's supply some for you.
Eternal Consequences: Biblical Truth on Conscious Torment for the Lost
https://christrose.news/2024/09/ eternal-consequences-biblical-truth-
on.html
Annihilationism suggests that the souls of the wicked will eventually
cease to exist rather than face eternal conscious torment. However, a
close look at Scripture consistently shows the eternal, conscious
punishment of the lost.
"And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous
into eternal life" (ESV).
The parallel places "eternal punishment" and "eternal life" side by
side, indicating that both states are unending. If eternal life is
everlasting, then eternal punishment is as well.
In Revelation, we find descriptions of the fate of the wicked.
Revelation 14:11 says,
"And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever, and they
have no rest, day or night" (ESV).
The phrases "the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever" and
"they have no rest, day or night" both emphasize the continuous and
eternal nature of their suffering. This clearly shows that people
will experience eternal, conscious torment without relief.
"And the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire
and sulfur... and they will be tormented day and night forever and
ever" (ESV).
This confirms the ongoing nature of the punishment. The fate of the
devil and those who follow him underscores that unrepentant humanity
faces the same destiny of eternal, conscious torment.
Jesus warns about the seriousness of sin in Mark 9:48, referring to
hell as a place
"where their worm does not die and the fire is not quenched" (ESV).
This shows an ongoing, unending state rather than a momentary end.
The unquenchable fire means continuous punishment, not a fire that
consumes and then goes out.
"They will suffer the punishment of eternal destruction, away from
the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his might" (ESV).
The term "eternal destruction" might seem to suggest cessation of
existence. However, the Greek word for "destruction" here is
olethros, which does not imply annihilation. Instead, it means ruin
or loss of well-being. For example, in 1 Corinthians 5:5, Paul uses
"You are to deliver this man to Satan for the destruction of the
flesh, so that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord" (ESV).
Here, "destruction" refers to a devastating experience, not the end
of existence.
"And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake,
some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting
contempt" (ESV).
The parallel between "everlasting life" and "everlasting contempt"
suggests that both destinies are perpetual. The wicked face ongoing
disgrace, not obliteration.
Jude 1:7 references Sodom and Gomorrah as examples of those who
"serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire" (ESV).
The use of "eternal fire" shows a punishment that goes beyond
temporal bounds. It points to ongoing torment rather than a one-time
event leading to non-existence.
"For the gate is wide and the way is easy that leads to destruction,
and those who enter by it are many" (ESV).
The word "destruction" here is from the Greek apōleia, which means
ruin or loss, not annihilation. In Matthew 26:8, the same word is
used when the disciples react to the woman anointing Jesus with
"And when the disciples saw it, they were indignant, saying, 'Why
this waste?'" (ESV).
Here, "waste" is translated from apōleia, referring to the misuse or
loss of something valuable, not its annihilation. This shows that
"destruction" does not necessarily mean cessation of existence.
These passages clearly show that the lost will suffer the penalty of
eternal, conscious torment. This emphasizes the importance of
understanding the consequences of sin and the need for repentance. It
serves as a warning and calls for reflection on one's spiritual state.
So, what now? Theology box ticked?
Sounds like a bad day for those sinners who chose not to lose their lives.
"They say continually to those who despise the word of the Lord, ‘It
shall be well with you’; and to everyone who stubbornly follows his own
heart, they say, ‘No disaster shall come upon you’" (Jeremiah 23:17, ESV).
Your ideas about God either come from the Bible, or you're worshiping an
idol of your own invention.
You see, that is not the issue or the context. They worship the bible
because they can make it their own invention in their sin state.
"They worship the bible as God," but He is not a bible. And since they
worship the bible in their sin state, they worship themselves in it.
The Holy Spirit said:
"All sinners take the bible out of context."
It says it in the Subject Title. How? The pick it up in their own name!
Post by Christ RoseThe Holy Spirit uses the words of Scripture
to reveal the mind of God to the believer, not osmosis. Read 1
Corinthians 2.
To what end, John, to what end? Here we get the usual 'go read and see I
am right in whatever sin state interpretation I choose.' :-).
Interestingly,
1Co 2:6 Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not
the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to
nought:
1Co 2:7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden
wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:
Long before the bible was printed.
"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not to have a book pass
through it so that a sinner could play God."
They learnt "about" God in their bibles, but they do not go any further
than that because they stumble at the offense of putting it down and
entering in to a real relationship with Him; too busy worshiping
themselves in their sin, you see.
Post by Christ RosePost by In the Name of Jesusthere is no need for any translation of the meaning of the words in
the Greek, Aramaic or Hebrew; the consequence of sin is the
mistreatment of God.
Didn't you hear the Holy Spirit here???
"Hey, Fella, all sinners take the bible out of context.
Unless, you are one of those perfect ones?"
Address that if you want to address something real.
In the Name of Jesus
The consequence of sin is the mistreatment of God. So, in ChristRose's
economy, you have to mistreat God to be a real "Christian."
Notice how ChristRose continues, like he continues in his sin state, to
ignore the truth of the Holy Spirit?
"All sinners take the bible out of context."
Imagine the depth of self-deceit in that!
He doesn't tackle anything head-on; he just diverts to his own ad
nauseam religious sinner spirit contexts of condemnation. Therefore, he
stays stagnant, entrenched in his self-imposed condemnation.
If he was to acknowledge that anything I say is of the Holy Spirit, his
whole house of cards collapses. That is why the Pharisees could not
accept the Lord Jesus, for to do that, their whole system of religion
crashes to the ground—not one stone left on another, and so it is with
ChristRose.
He would be immeasurably better off to cut his losses, but likely that
is never going to happen; he has been at it for too long now. The Lord
did extend the hand of fellowship to him, but all he ever did was bite it.
In the Name of Jesus
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God is God in all His Being. All the glory is His, for He is all glory.
Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John
10:30 I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the
everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.
Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.
Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.
Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.
Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.
"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."
"If God is not first in everything, He is not first in anything."
"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance (voice, the Person) of
God. When you find Him you have found the author."
"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."
"Compromise will condemn you."
"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."
"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."
"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"
"The way of truth is the testimony of life."
"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."
"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."
"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."
"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."
"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."
"You cannot be free, and free indeed with guilt in your heart."
"Priority is everything."
"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."
"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."
"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."
"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."
"Wait, rest, be still, and know."
"No man can wash his own hands!!!"
"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."
"The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence or proof is to be found."
"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."
"Man is not the centre of being."
"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."
"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."
"Man has no greater idol than his own will."
"Where is God hiding? He isn't."
"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."
"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."
"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."
"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."
"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not to have a book pass
through it so that a sinner could play God."
"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."
"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."
"The definition of an atheist: a man full of bluster and bullshit in his
meaninglessness pretending he is the meaning of life."
"Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is
still according to my power," says the Lord.
"What does a fool do? A fool looks for a "nothing" in a "something" in
order to explain the existence of existence."
"Unless you do all because He is who He is, all your religion is in vain."
"Every man is subject to God; He judges every man, and He is reality.
What a gift in a fallen world!"
"Love MUST be a choice or it is nothing but a law!"
"Why were all men born sinners? So that God could reveal Himself, so
that we would behold the glory of God, and that we should bring forth
the glory of God"
"God does not and will not arbitrate for any man to love Him! If God
isn't everything to you, He is nothing to you where the rubber meets the
road."
"It is the unforgivable sin not to love God with all your heart, soul,
and mind. What do you have that is lasting? It is not so much being
punished; it is what you are left with."
"Love isn't worth anything without first a free will choice for God to
birth it in a man."
"The point of salvation: desperation. Anything less than that is
self-righteousness."
"A sinner is not a believer in God; a sinner is a believer in sin."
"A piece of dirt is not the promised land; that is only a reflection.
The promised land is knowing Me, says the Lord."
"It is all about God or it is all about idolatry."
"The Lord Jesus is coming soon. He has always come soon."
"There is no revolving door of self-worship in a son of God's life!"
"There is no such thing as random!"
"You can't truly love without it being with all your heart."
"No one can see God without their whole heart. Unless you can see God,
you know nothing."
"You can't learn God; God has to reveal Himself to you."
"No sinner is sinless in any way."
"Only God is life; only the Kingdom of God of His "Nature" is life."
"What you believe is just a leaning on your own understanding; faith is
a leaning on the one you have chosen to trust."
"God uses the "letter" to crucify a man and raise him from the dead."
"Not fearing God is sheer stupidity for sinners."
"Self-righteousness is any exclusion of God in your heart, because any
exclusion reveals that you think more about yourself than what you
really are."
"Atheism: "The claim that life received from itself."
"But remember this: always, absolutely always, all the glory is the
Lord's and His alone, and anyone who takes any credit for anything, you
know, instantly, he is not what he pretends to be and is a false prophet."
"That light had to bear (bears all things) the darkness for us, but that
light did not ever become darkness."
"You must reach beyond the bible that tells you about Him, and into your
daily life to find Him in Person. He's there."
"What is wrong with Christendom? False understanding based on compromise."
"It is not in man to love his enemies. And if he tries, he is walking in
a lie and trying to raise himself up to the level of God."
"God has to be quiet now; we have our bible." Well, then, who is going
to speak?