Discussion:
No re-defining of marriage in the LORD's courts!
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Ted L
2009-05-16 17:26:00 UTC
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Marriage before God: "Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother,
and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh. "(c.f. Genesis
2:24)

Abomination before God: if a man lie down with men as he lieth with women
(Leviticus 18:22), and women with women as with men (Romans 2:26).

--
God's definitions, not ours.
wax
2009-05-16 19:59:29 UTC
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Post by Ted L
Marriage before God: "Therefore shall a man leave his father and his
mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one
flesh. "(c.f. Genesis 2:24)
Abomination before God: if a man lie down with men as he lieth
with women (Leviticus 18:22), and women with women as with
men (Romans 2:26).
--
God's definitions, not ours.
That's your god. Not mine.

You have a right to worship your god, your way. But don't try to impose
your god upon others. That has gone out with the middle ages.

--Wax
Dr. House
2009-05-16 21:09:50 UTC
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Post by Ted L
Marriage before God: "Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother,
and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh. "(c.f. Genesis
2:24)
Abomination before God: if a man lie down with men as he lieth with women
(Leviticus 18:22), and women with women as with men (Romans 2:26).
--
God's definitions, not ours.
It is your definition that claims this is God's definition. Got
proof?

Eating shellfish is an abomination according to your source. What are
you going to do about all the shellfish eaters? Shellfish consumption
is measured by the ton. Doesn't that make it much worse that any gay
issue?

Regards,

House
dolf
2009-05-16 21:16:26 UTC
Permalink
There is a logical contention between Pythagoras' Binary apparatus of
number as HETEROS-MARRIAGE mysticism and the Chinese use of the 64
elements of the Changes as an equivalent binary apparatus.

Perhaps you have a mistaken belief about Australia being a Dutch
possession, colonised by the British according to Principle and claim to
Christian Identity following sighting of the transit of Venus across the
sun as disproving the Pythagorean basis to Christian identity by marriage

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Know the male {ie. SUPER-EGO} but keep to the role of the female {ie.
EGO} and be a ravine to the empire. If you are a ravine to the empire,
then the constant virtue {ie. #72 elements of the TORAH v's #64 elements
of the CHANGES} will not desert you and you will again return to being a
babe. Know the white but keep to the role of the sullied {ie. HETEROS
(marriage) as existential, exceptional and indissoluable BINARY
(CHANGES) apparatus of Number and supernal hierarchy to the SUPER-EGO}
and be a model {ie. #72 autonomic elements} to the empire {ie. #81
elements of the DAO as Commonwealth}.

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Post by Dr. House
Post by Ted L
Marriage before God: "Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother,
and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh. "(c.f. Genesis
2:24)
Abomination before God: if a man lie down with men as he lieth with women
(Leviticus 18:22), and women with women as with men (Romans 2:26).
--
God's definitions, not ours.
It is your definition that claims this is God's definition. Got
proof?
Eating shellfish is an abomination according to your source. What are
you going to do about all the shellfish eaters? Shellfish consumption
is measured by the ton. Doesn't that make it much worse that any gay
issue?
Regards,
House
dolf
2009-05-16 22:21:04 UTC
Permalink
The GRAPPLE paradigm as a Balanced Ternary Distributed System, maps to
the Chinese DAOist (#81 element, ternary number theory) and I-Ching (H64
elements as binary apparatus) to produce by extrusion, Hebrew and other
language based categories of understanding by deploying this in
conjunction with a chronological syllogism, or logical appeal: [Greek:
syllismos meaning conclusion, inference], where usually the categorical
syllogism—such as: "No servant can serve two masters: for either he will
hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and
despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

And the Pharisees also, who were covetous, heard all these things: and
they derided him."

The pretension-MALAKOS as onomantick basis to Pythagorean and Egyptian
marriage mysticism as BINARY apparatus and Christian identity as
ARSENOKOITE is set in contrast to the TERNARY nature of the CHINESE
perspective of this same cosmology. There is a logical mantric and manic
contention between Pythagoras' Binary apparatus of number as
HETEROS-MARRIAGE mysticism and the Chinese use of the 64 elements of the
Changes as an equivalent binary apparatus. As to God's definition of
piety-monogenes and marriage-monogamous gamogenesis, not ours:

Marriage before God: "Therefore shall a man leave his father and his
mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh."
[Genesis 2:24]

Abomination before God: "If a man lie down with men as he lieth with
women" [Leviticus 18:22], "and women with women as with men." [Romans 2:26]

Involving a kind of logical argument in which one proposition as the
conclusion or Telos [#2187 = 3^7 or 'oth cycle: #2184 / #6000 =
122J3W1D] is inferred from two others [the major premise: which contains
the law of that will as 7 x 24 x 13 = 2184 days of the 'oth cycle] and
[the minor premise: which contains the command to behave in accordance
with the law, that is, the principle of subsumption under the law: x 49
= 6J or 294 x 364 days or 365.2425 x 293 years - Vernal Equinox
Wednesday 20 March] of a certain form.

THE BIBLICAL COSMOLOGY (AS 10 COMMANDMENTS) IS ASSOCIATED TO A BALANCED
TERNARY DISTRIBUTED SYSTEM
"And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men;
but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men
is abomination in the sight of God.

The law and the prophets were until John {the grace or mercy of the
Lord}: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man
presseth into it."

#1 = [the major premise {YANG/FATHER/HEAVEN/MALE/FORM - Formula of
Universal Law}, which contains the law of that will:

7 x 24 x 13 = 2184 days of the 'oth cycle = 6D or 6 x 364 associated to
the 'constant sequence of sun and moon' as 354 x 3 + 30 day
intercalation = 1092 days x 2 = 2184 days] +

#2 = [the minor premise {YIN/MOTHER/EARTH/FEMALE/MATTER - Formula of
Humanity - HEAD OF STATE}, which contains the command to behave in
accordance with the law, that is, the principle of subsumption under the
law:

x 49 = 6J or 294 x 364 days or 365.2425 x 293 years - Vernal Equinox
Wednesday 20 March 1996 / 21 March = 1 Nisan 5756; and] +

#3 = [the conclusion {ZHUN/SON/SEA/ENUMERATE/OFFSPRING - Formula of
Autonomy}, which contains the verdict (sentence), that is laid down as
right in the case at hand: ... 6,000 topical years as Telos ('achariyth
as 122J3W1D) = Arch (re'shiyth as 3W1D) + c² [9(9²+1)/2]:

has #369 with Septet #41 {ie. #81 - #27 - #9 - #3 - #1} centric on {ie.
20 March 1996 + (5*364) + 182 = 12 Sept 2001 as 1st day of 7th solar
month = #0 - Zero point} 13-17 September 2001 / 18 September = 1 Tishri
5762. ref: "On [Sunday 16 September as] the 1st day of the [21st
priestly] course of Jachin {he that strengthens and makes steadfast} on
the 29th day of lunar month, on the 5th day of the 7th solar month."
[4Q321]] +

#4 = 'OTH Chronological Elements = #10 as {Totality of Nature = Formula
of Progression of individual phenomena: #1 = {0: 1} + #2 = {0: -1, 1: 1}
+ #3 = {0: 0, 1: 1} + #4 = {0: 1, 1: 1} = #10 = {0: 1, 1: 0, 2: 1}}

vCube Balanced Ternary System distribution: #1 = {0: 1}; #41 = {0: -1,
1: -1, 2: -1, 3: -1, 4: 1}; #81 = (0: 0, 1: 0, 2:0, 3:0, 4:1}

ONE: 1, 2, 3
TWO: 0, 3, 6
THREE: 0, 9, 18
FOUR: 0, 27, 54 = Chinese Tetragramation (Yang, Yin, Zhun) of Number
(Imperial Governance of male - dragon, female (consort) - phoenix: 206
BCE to 220 CE published 2 BCE); cf: [Deuteronomy 4:1-20]
FIVE: 0, 81, 369 = 9(9²+1)/2 - Organisation of the Myriad of things
SIX: 0, 243, 729 = Appraisals within vCube (9 x 9 x 9)
SEVEN: 0, 729, 2187 = 17 March (Saint Patrick's Day) + 2 x 'OTH CYCLE of
1092 (6 x 364 = 6D) days as Genesis and substantiation of Christian
identity.

"And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass [1 John 5:7], than one
tittle of the law to fail: "In his first audience at the Vatican since
his divorce from Diana, Princess of Wales, the Prince was expected to
receive a gift of a "luxury facsimile" of an appeal to Pope Clement VII
in 1530 CE in which English peers asked for the annulment of Henry
VIII’s (1491-1547 CE) marriage to Catherine of Aragon.

This follows after the Telegraph.co.uk Online Newspaper had in the first
week of April reported, that the words "Willyam Thomas, I pray yow pray
for me your lovyng master: Prynce Henry" are from a prayer roll once
belonging to the teenage Henry, who gave the roll to William Thomas, one
of his personal servants in his Privy Chamber, some time between 1505
and 1509 CE, when Henry was the Prince of Wales.

That we are able to determine whether the Monarch was a godly man by
measuring the chronological steeping to the Grapple Homoiotic Noumenon
as intellectual property and hypostatic metashematizo of homoousion. The
prayer roll will be shown in public for the first time at the British
Library's exhibition Henry VIII: Man and Monarch, which opens later this
month and marks the 500th anniversary of Henry's accession to the
throne. [Copyright and Courtesy Roya Nikkhah, Arts Correspondent,
Telegraph.co.uk 2009.4.4: Exciting discovery reveals Henry VIII as firm
believer in Catholicism]

Pope Benedict XVI, drawing on the analogy of an earthquake that had
several days earlier, struck the Italian Abruzzo region severely
damaging many churches, said "there is another 'ruin' that is far more
serious [to] that of people and communities! Like Francis [of Assisi (c.
1181-1226)], always start with yourselves. We are the first house that
God wants to restore.

If you are always able to renew yourselves in the spirit of the Gospel,
you will continue to assist the pastors of the Church to make more and
more beautiful the Church's face, that of the bride of Christ. The Pope,
now the same as then, expects this of you... Now go and bring to all the
peace and love of Christ the Saviour. May Mary Immaculate, 'Virgin made
Church', accompany you always. And may my Apostolic Blessing, which I
cordially impart to all of you here present, and the entire Franciscan
family, support you as well." [(c) 2009 Zenit News Agency 2009.4.20,
ZE09042008, Benedict XVI's Castel Gandolfo address to the Franciscan
Family: Attracting Christian Men and Women of All Ages]

The original appeal attributed to a hoax in news reports of 2009.4.20,
spoke of an important document in the history of the Reformation, which
is kept in the Vatican’s secret archives. But I've repeated here the
substance of the hocus-pocus {ie. hax pax max Deus adimax: material
objections by which to undertake various transformations related to
artificial or natural phenomena} amongst the hoi-polloi who may
recognize this hoity-toity and historical impunity to the Sovereign
autonomic right to regulative freewill as the ‘right to remain silent’
and ‘presumption of innocence’ under the Commonwealth amounts to Treason.

According to reports, Benedict XVI intends the gift as a good-will
gesture to assist in the healing of relations between the Vatican and
the Church of England. But some believe the guesture originates from a
parody of the Roman Catholic liturgy of the eucharist, which contains
the phrase "Hoc est enim corpus meum". This explanation goes back to
speculations by the Anglican prelate John Tillotson (1630-1694), who
wrote in 1694: "In all probability those common juggling words of hocus
pocus are nothing else but a corruption of hoc est corpus, by way of
ridiculous imitation of the priests of the Church of Rome in their trick
of Transubstantiation."

Or it may simply be imitation Latin with no meaning, made up to impress
people: "I will speak of one man... that went about in King James his
time... who called himself, The Kings Majesties most excellent Hocus
Pocus, and so was he called, because that at the playing of every Trick,
he used to say, Hocus pocus, tontus talontus, vade celeriter jubeo, a
dark composure of words, to blind the eyes of the beholders, to make his
Trick pass the more currently without discovery, because when the eye
and the ear of the beholder are both earnestly busied, the Trick is not
so easily discovered, nor the Imposture discerned." [According to
Wikipedia Sources 2009: Thomas Ady, A Candle in the Dark, 1656]

However, it will also serve as a reminder of the schism rooted in Henry
VIII’s battles with the Holy See over the binding nature of marriage: "I
have read in Times Online that, for the occasion of the forthcoming
visit of the Prince of Wales and the Duchess of Cornwall, the Pope is to
gift his illustrious visitors a fascimile of the 1530 CE appeal by
English peers to Pope Clement VII asking for the annulment of Henry
VIII's marriage to Catherine of Aragon (From the Times April 20, 'The
Pope's gift...' Richard Owen, Rome) This news is completely untrue and
has no basis whatsoever in fact. I would ask you to issue an immediate
and unambiguous denial. Yours faithfully" [Federico Lombardi S J, Holy
See Press Office, Vatican City 2009.4.20]

The Prince was the first senior member of the Royal Family to marry a
divorcée since Edward VIII [who had to abdicate in 1936 to marry the
American Wallis Simpson. The Roman Catholic Church considers marriage a
legal and sacred bond "which cannot be broken using temporal laws"].
According to erroneous media reports, the Prince was expected, to be the
first to receive a gift as facsimile of the document from the Pope.
[Copyright and Courtesy Foreign Staff Reporters, Telegraph.co.uk
2009.4.20: Charles and Camilla to be reminded of Pope's view of divorce]

Whosoever putteth away his wife, and marrieth another, committeth
adultery: and whosoever marrieth her that is put away from her husband
committeth adultery.'" [Luke 16:13-18 (KJV)]
Post by Dr. House
Post by Ted L
Marriage before God: "Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother,
and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh. "(c.f. Genesis
2:24)
Abomination before God: if a man lie down with men as he lieth with women
(Leviticus 18:22), and women with women as with men (Romans 2:26).
--
God's definitions, not ours.
It is your definition that claims this is God's definition. Got
proof?
Eating shellfish is an abomination according to your source. What are
you going to do about all the shellfish eaters? Shellfish consumption
is measured by the ton. Doesn't that make it much worse that any gay
issue?
Regards,
House
And if I may prattle some more--The next revision of the vCube.html will
have an expanded formIdea (9x9) for the entire year and within this
context I intend to compute each of the Dynamic Natural Associators as
Categories of the Understanding for each of the stratum of noumenon
entries which comprise the superficial plane as the Super-Ego according
to the Daoist cosmological and empirical understanding and perspective
of this:

- http://www.grapple.id.au/Chronicles/images/3dautomata.jpg

Know the male {ie. SUPER-EGO} but keep to the role of the female {ie.
EGO} and be a ravine to the empire. If you are a ravine to the empire,
then the constant virtue {ie. #72 elements of the TORAH v's #64 elements
of the CHANGES} will not desert you and you will again return to being a
babe. Know the white but keep to the role of the sullied {ie. HETEROS
(marriage) as existential, exceptional and indissoluable BINARY
(CHANGES) apparatus of Number and supernal hierarchy to the SUPER-EGO}
and be a model {ie. #72 autonomic elements} to the empire {ie. #81
elements of the DAO as Commonwealth}.

- http://www.grapple.id.au/Chronicles/images/enneadgrapple.gif

I once had a discussion with my oncologist (Burkitts Lymphoma) who had a
sensitivity towards Jewish Kabbalah belief--whether this architecture
could be deployed to manage treatment procedures.

If I might just add another thought here with respects to origins of
noumenclature [which is equally applicable to homeopathy from my view of
the discussion so far] regarding its mechanism of practice--that these
systems tend to have kabbalistic paradigms as their basis.

- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caduceus

The Caduceus is such a symbol... and its Confusion!
Post by Dr. House
Post by Ted L
Bukakke started out full of arrogance and aggression
I've never seen an Irony-o-meter die laughing before...
It is hilarious, Bukakke the atheist StormTrooper has a hissy fit and
folds faster than the deckchairs on the Titanic!
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAAA
When someone mentions "irony", fasgnadh, it usually means that
someone else (in this case, you) has completely missed something that is
obvious to everyone else.
Post by Dr. House
In such circumstances, saying "bwaaaaahaha" merely confirms that you
didn't get it, and still don't get it.
Post by Dr. House
Here's a hint: review this thread (just the two bits above your
"bwahaha") and try to work out the (unintentional) humorous content. If
you still don't get it, then that's stiff, don't come to me, or the rest
of the group. You're clearly not up to it.
As god of the high-road and the market-place Hermes was perhaps above
all else the patron of commerce and the fat purse: as a corollary, he
was the special protector of the traveling salesman. As spokesman for
the gods, he not only brought peace on earth (occasionally even the
peace of death), but his silver-tongued eloquence could always make the
worse appear the better cause. From this latter point of view, would not
his symbol be suitable for certain Congressmen, all medical quacks, book
agents and purveyors of vacuum cleaners, rather than for the
straight-thinking, straight-speaking therapist? As conductor of the dead
to their subterranean abode, his emblem would seem more appropriate on a
hearse than on a physician's car. [ref: Wikipedia
2009:Confusion_with_the_Caduceus]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rod_of_Asclepius#Confusion_with_the_Caduceus

And secondly is the kabbalistic mechanistic notion that each of the
unique 729 x 2 = 1458 (male/female) appraisals and Dynamic Natural
Associators within the systems core operate as daemons or dialectic
temporal (distinct from any chronological steeping and calendaring
orientation) containers.

ONE: 1, 2, 3
TWO: 0, 3, 6
THREE: 0, 9, 18
FOUR: 0, 27, 54 = Chinese Tetragramation (Yang, Yin, Zhun) of Number
(Imperial Governance of male - dragon, female (consort) - phoenix: 206
BCE to 220 CE published 2 BCE); cf: [Deuteronomy 4:1-20]
FIVE: 0, 81, 369 = 9(9²+1)/2 - Organisation of the Myriad of things
SIX: 0, 243, 729 = Appraisals within vCube (9 x 9 x 9)
SEVEN: 0, 729, 2187 = 17 March (Saint Patrick's Day) + 2 x 'OTH CYCLE of
1092 (6 x 364 = 6D) days as Genesis and substantiation of Christian
identity.

Rabbi Jaakov Feldman (Project Genesis) comments that even the Kabbalah
sephirot -- the very building blocks of all cosmic reality, “are (only)
one of the mechanisms that the Supreme Will wanted to present His laws
th[r]ough”, that their use is “not intrinsic to Him, but (rather) a
mechanism that He willfully chose” among an infinite number of them. As
such, nothing is other than as He wills it to [be]...

http://www.torah.org/learning/ramchal/classes/section1-18.html

As you can see, the latest version of the vCube.html document (Safari /
limited Firefox only) provides support for search parameters to the
balanced ternary distributed system which circumscribes the unity of our
semantical engine for associating and hosting religious belief and their
value systems.

http://www.grapple.id.au/vCube.html?zen:1,row:3,col:2

supported options include:

?date:2009.5.16 <-- displays noumenon entry for date 16 May
?time:15.24 <-- displays noumenon entry for time 3.24 pm
?zen:1,row:3,col:2 <-- noumenon entry #10 for 17 July
?nous:45 <-- noumenon entry #45
?telos:237 <-- hierarchy of understanding

That this architecture is compatible with Jewish belief of the Old
Testament, the Christian belief of the New Testament era and as a
portable language independent encyclical architecture and hermeneutic to
the Scriptures, it is superior to the portability of the Koran.

- http://www.grapple.id.au/Chronicles/automata.html
dolf
2009-05-16 22:28:44 UTC
Permalink
The GRAPPLE paradigm as a Balanced Ternary Distributed System, maps to
the Chinese DAOist (#81 element, ternary number theory) and I-Ching (H64
elements as binary apparatus) to produce by extrusion, Hebrew and other
language based categories of understanding by deploying this in
conjunction with a chronological syllogism, or logical appeal: [Greek:
syllismos meaning conclusion, inference], where usually the categorical
syllogism—such as: "No servant can serve two masters: for either he will
hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and
despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

And the Pharisees also, who were covetous, heard all these things: and
they derided him."

The pretension-MALAKOS as onomantick basis to Pythagorean and Egyptian
marriage mysticism as BINARY apparatus and Christian identity as
ARSENOKOITE is set in contrast to the TERNARY nature of the CHINESE
perspective of this same cosmology. There is a logical mantric and manic
contention between Pythagoras' Binary apparatus of number as
HETEROS-MARRIAGE mysticism and the Chinese use of the 64 elements of the
Changes as an equivalent binary apparatus. As to God's syllogistic
definition of piety-monogenes derived from marriage-monogamous
gamogenesis, not ours:

Marriage before God: "Therefore shall a man leave his father and his
mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh."
[Genesis 2:24]

Abomination before God: "If a man lie down with men as he lieth with
women" [Leviticus 18:22], "and women with women as with men." [Romans 2:26]

Involving a kind of logical argument in which one proposition as the
conclusion or Telos [#2187 = 3^7 or 'oth cycle: #2184 / #6000 =
122J3W1D] is inferred from two others [the major premise: which contains
the law of that will as 7 x 24 x 13 = 2184 days of the 'oth cycle] and
[the minor premise: which contains the command to behave in accordance
with the law, that is, the principle of subsumption under the law: x 49
= 6J or 294 x 364 days or 365.2425 x 293 years - Vernal Equinox
Wednesday 20 March] of a certain form.

THE BIBLICAL COSMOLOGY (AS 10 COMMANDMENTS) IS ASSOCIATED TO A BALANCED
TERNARY DISTRIBUTED SYSTEM
"And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men;
but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men
is abomination in the sight of God.

The law and the prophets were until John {the grace or mercy of the
Lord}: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man
presseth into it."

#1 = [the major premise {YANG/FATHER/HEAVEN/MALE/FORM - Formula of
Universal Law}, which contains the law of that will:

7 x 24 x 13 = 2184 days of the 'oth cycle = 6D or 6 x 364 associated to
the 'constant sequence of sun and moon' as 354 x 3 + 30 day
intercalation = 1092 days x 2 = 2184 days] +

#2 = [the minor premise {YIN/MOTHER/EARTH/FEMALE/MATTER - Formula of
Humanity - HEAD OF STATE}, which contains the command to behave in
accordance with the law, that is, the principle of subsumption under the
law:

x 49 = 6J or 294 x 364 days or 365.2425 x 293 years - Vernal Equinox
Wednesday 20 March 1996 / 21 March = 1 Nisan 5756; and] +

#3 = [the conclusion {ZHUN/SON/SEA/ENUMERATE/OFFSPRING - Formula of
Autonomy}, which contains the verdict (sentence), that is laid down as
right in the case at hand: ... 6,000 topical years as Telos ('achariyth
as 122J3W1D) = Arch (re'shiyth as 3W1D) + c² [9(9²+1)/2]:

has #369 with Septet #41 {ie. #81 - #27 - #9 - #3 - #1} centric on {ie.
20 March 1996 + (5*364) + 182 = 12 Sept 2001 as 1st day of 7th solar
month = #0 - Zero point} 13-17 September 2001 / 18 September = 1 Tishri
5762. ref: "On [Sunday 16 September as] the 1st day of the [21st
priestly] course of Jachin {he that strengthens and makes steadfast} on
the 29th day of lunar month, on the 5th day of the 7th solar month."
[4Q321]] +

#4 = 'OTH Chronological Elements = #10 as {Totality of Nature = Formula
of Progression of individual phenomena: #1 = {0: 1} + #2 = {0: -1, 1: 1}
+ #3 = {0: 0, 1: 1} + #4 = {0: 1, 1: 1} = #10 = {0: 1, 1: 0, 2: 1}}

vCube Balanced Ternary System distribution: #1 = {0: 1}; #41 = {0: -1,
1: -1, 2: -1, 3: -1, 4: 1}; #81 = (0: 0, 1: 0, 2:0, 3:0, 4:1}

ONE: 1, 2, 3
TWO: 0, 3, 6
THREE: 0, 9, 18
FOUR: 0, 27, 54 = Chinese Tetragramation (Yang, Yin, Zhun) of Number
(Imperial Governance of male - dragon, female (consort) - phoenix: 206
BCE to 220 CE published 2 BCE); cf: [Deuteronomy 4:1-20]
FIVE: 0, 81, 369 = 9(9²+1)/2 - Organisation of the Myriad of things
SIX: 0, 243, 729 = Appraisals within vCube (9 x 9 x 9)
SEVEN: 0, 729, 2187 = 17 March (Saint Patrick's Day) + 2 x 'OTH CYCLE of
1092 (6 x 364 = 6D) days as Genesis and substantiation of Christian
identity.

"And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass [1 John 5:7], than one
tittle of the law to fail: "In his first audience at the Vatican since
his divorce from Diana, Princess of Wales, the Prince was expected to
receive a gift of a "luxury facsimile" of an appeal to Pope Clement VII
in 1530 CE in which English peers asked for the annulment of Henry
VIII’s (1491-1547 CE) marriage to Catherine of Aragon.

This follows after the Telegraph.co.uk Online Newspaper had in the first
week of April reported, that the words "Willyam Thomas, I pray yow pray
for me your lovyng master: Prynce Henry" are from a prayer roll once
belonging to the teenage Henry, who gave the roll to William Thomas, one
of his personal servants in his Privy Chamber, some time between 1505
and 1509 CE, when Henry was the Prince of Wales.

That we are able to determine whether the Monarch was a godly man by
measuring the chronological steeping to the Grapple Homoiotic Noumenon
as intellectual property and hypostatic metashematizo of homoousion. The
prayer roll will be shown in public for the first time at the British
Library's exhibition Henry VIII: Man and Monarch, which opens later this
month and marks the 500th anniversary of Henry's accession to the
throne. [Copyright and Courtesy Roya Nikkhah, Arts Correspondent,
Telegraph.co.uk 2009.4.4: Exciting discovery reveals Henry VIII as firm
believer in Catholicism]

Pope Benedict XVI, drawing on the analogy of an earthquake that had
several days earlier, struck the Italian Abruzzo region severely
damaging many churches, said "there is another 'ruin' that is far more
serious [to] that of people and communities! Like Francis [of Assisi (c.
1181-1226)], always start with yourselves. We are the first house that
God wants to restore.

If you are always able to renew yourselves in the spirit of the Gospel,
you will continue to assist the pastors of the Church to make more and
more beautiful the Church's face, that of the bride of Christ. The Pope,
now the same as then, expects this of you... Now go and bring to all the
peace and love of Christ the Saviour. May Mary Immaculate, 'Virgin made
Church', accompany you always. And may my Apostolic Blessing, which I
cordially impart to all of you here present, and the entire Franciscan
family, support you as well." [(c) 2009 Zenit News Agency 2009.4.20,
ZE09042008, Benedict XVI's Castel Gandolfo address to the Franciscan
Family: Attracting Christian Men and Women of All Ages]

The original appeal attributed to a hoax in news reports of 2009.4.20,
spoke of an important document in the history of the Reformation, which
is kept in the Vatican’s secret archives. But I've repeated here the
substance of the hocus-pocus {ie. hax pax max Deus adimax: material
objections by which to undertake various transformations related to
artificial or natural phenomena} amongst the hoi-polloi who may
recognize this hoity-toity and historical impunity to the Sovereign
autonomic right to regulative freewill as the ‘right to remain silent’
and ‘presumption of innocence’ under the Commonwealth amounts to Treason.

According to reports, Benedict XVI intends the gift as a good-will
gesture to assist in the healing of relations between the Vatican and
the Church of England. But some believe the guesture originates from a
parody of the Roman Catholic liturgy of the eucharist, which contains
the phrase "Hoc est enim corpus meum". This explanation goes back to
speculations by the Anglican prelate John Tillotson (1630-1694), who
wrote in 1694: "In all probability those common juggling words of hocus
pocus are nothing else but a corruption of hoc est corpus, by way of
ridiculous imitation of the priests of the Church of Rome in their trick
of Transubstantiation."

Or it may simply be imitation Latin with no meaning, made up to impress
people: "I will speak of one man... that went about in King James his
time... who called himself, The Kings Majesties most excellent Hocus
Pocus, and so was he called, because that at the playing of every Trick,
he used to say, Hocus pocus, tontus talontus, vade celeriter jubeo, a
dark composure of words, to blind the eyes of the beholders, to make his
Trick pass the more currently without discovery, because when the eye
and the ear of the beholder are both earnestly busied, the Trick is not
so easily discovered, nor the Imposture discerned." [According to
Wikipedia Sources 2009: Thomas Ady, A Candle in the Dark, 1656]

However, it will also serve as a reminder of the schism rooted in Henry
VIII’s battles with the Holy See over the binding nature of marriage: "I
have read in Times Online that, for the occasion of the forthcoming
visit of the Prince of Wales and the Duchess of Cornwall, the Pope is to
gift his illustrious visitors a fascimile of the 1530 CE appeal by
English peers to Pope Clement VII asking for the annulment of Henry
VIII's marriage to Catherine of Aragon (From the Times April 20, 'The
Pope's gift...' Richard Owen, Rome) This news is completely untrue and
has no basis whatsoever in fact. I would ask you to issue an immediate
and unambiguous denial. Yours faithfully" [Federico Lombardi S J, Holy
See Press Office, Vatican City 2009.4.20]

The Prince was the first senior member of the Royal Family to marry a
divorcée since Edward VIII [who had to abdicate in 1936 to marry the
American Wallis Simpson. The Roman Catholic Church considers marriage a
legal and sacred bond "which cannot be broken using temporal laws"].
According to erroneous media reports, the Prince was expected, to be the
first to receive a gift as facsimile of the document from the Pope.
[Copyright and Courtesy Foreign Staff Reporters, Telegraph.co.uk
2009.4.20: Charles and Camilla to be reminded of Pope's view of divorce]

Whosoever putteth away his wife, and marrieth another, committeth
adultery: and whosoever marrieth her that is put away from her husband
committeth adultery.'" [Luke 16:13-18 (KJV)]
Post by Dr. House
Post by Ted L
Marriage before God: "Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother,
and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh. "(c.f. Genesis
2:24)
Abomination before God: if a man lie down with men as he lieth with women
(Leviticus 18:22), and women with women as with men (Romans 2:26).
--
God's definitions, not ours.
It is your definition that claims this is God's definition. Got
proof?
Eating shellfish is an abomination according to your source. What are
you going to do about all the shellfish eaters? Shellfish consumption
is measured by the ton. Doesn't that make it much worse that any gay
issue?
Regards,
House
And if I may prattle some more--The next revision of the vCube.html will
have an expanded formIdea (9x9) for the entire year and within this
context I intend to compute each of the Dynamic Natural Associators as
Categories of the Understanding for each of the stratum of noumenon
entries which comprise the superficial plane as the Super-Ego according
to the Daoist cosmological and empirical understanding and perspective
of this:

- http://www.grapple.id.au/Chronicles/images/3dautomata.jpg

Know the male {ie. SUPER-EGO} but keep to the role of the female {ie.
EGO} and be a ravine to the empire. If you are a ravine to the empire,
then the constant virtue {ie. #72 elements of the TORAH v's #64 elements
of the CHANGES} will not desert you and you will again return to being a
babe. Know the white but keep to the role of the sullied {ie. HETEROS
(marriage) as existential, exceptional and indissoluable BINARY
(CHANGES) apparatus of Number and supernal hierarchy to the SUPER-EGO}
and be a model {ie. #72 autonomic elements} to the empire {ie. #81
elements of the DAO as Commonwealth}.

- http://www.grapple.id.au/Chronicles/images/enneadgrapple.gif

I once had a discussion with my oncologist (Burkitts Lymphoma) who had a
sensitivity towards Jewish Kabbalah belief--whether this architecture
could be deployed to manage treatment procedures.

If I might just add another thought here with respects to origins of
noumenclature [which is equally applicable to homeopathy from my view of
the discussion so far] regarding its mechanism of practice--that these
systems tend to have kabbalistic paradigms as their basis.

- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caduceus

The Caduceus is such a symbol... and its Confusion!
Post by Dr. House
Post by Ted L
Bukakke started out full of arrogance and aggression
I've never seen an Irony-o-meter die laughing before...
It is hilarious, Bukakke the atheist StormTrooper has a hissy fit and
folds faster than the deckchairs on the Titanic!
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAAA
When someone mentions "irony", fasgnadh, it usually means that
someone else (in this case, you) has completely missed something that is
obvious to everyone else.
Post by Dr. House
In such circumstances, saying "bwaaaaahaha" merely confirms that you
didn't get it, and still don't get it.
Post by Dr. House
Here's a hint: review this thread (just the two bits above your
"bwahaha") and try to work out the (unintentional) humorous content. If
you still don't get it, then that's stiff, don't come to me, or the rest
of the group. You're clearly not up to it.
As god of the high-road and the market-place Hermes was perhaps above
all else the patron of commerce and the fat purse: as a corollary, he
was the special protector of the traveling salesman. As spokesman for
the gods, he not only brought peace on earth (occasionally even the
peace of death), but his silver-tongued eloquence could always make the
worse appear the better cause. From this latter point of view, would not
his symbol be suitable for certain Congressmen, all medical quacks, book
agents and purveyors of vacuum cleaners, rather than for the
straight-thinking, straight-speaking therapist? As conductor of the dead
to their subterranean abode, his emblem would seem more appropriate on a
hearse than on a physician's car. [ref: Wikipedia
2009:Confusion_with_the_Caduceus]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rod_of_Asclepius#Confusion_with_the_Caduceus

And secondly is the kabbalistic mechanistic notion that each of the
unique 729 x 2 = 1458 (male/female) appraisals and Dynamic Natural
Associators within the systems core operate as daemons or dialectic
temporal (distinct from any chronological steeping and calendaring
orientation) containers.

ONE: 1, 2, 3
TWO: 0, 3, 6
THREE: 0, 9, 18
FOUR: 0, 27, 54 = Chinese Tetragramation (Yang, Yin, Zhun) of Number
(Imperial Governance of male - dragon, female (consort) - phoenix: 206
BCE to 220 CE published 2 BCE); cf: [Deuteronomy 4:1-20]
FIVE: 0, 81, 369 = 9(9²+1)/2 - Organisation of the Myriad of things
SIX: 0, 243, 729 = Appraisals within vCube (9 x 9 x 9)
SEVEN: 0, 729, 2187 = 17 March (Saint Patrick's Day) + 2 x 'OTH CYCLE of
1092 (6 x 364 = 6D) days as Genesis and substantiation of Christian
identity.

Rabbi Jaakov Feldman (Project Genesis) comments that even the Kabbalah
sephirot -- the very building blocks of all cosmic reality, “are (only)
one of the mechanisms that the Supreme Will wanted to present His laws
th[r]ough”, that their use is “not intrinsic to Him, but (rather) a
mechanism that He willfully chose” among an infinite number of them. As
such, nothing is other than as He wills it to [be]...

http://www.torah.org/learning/ramchal/classes/section1-18.html

As you can see, the latest version of the vCube.html document (Safari /
limited Firefox only) provides support for search parameters to the
balanced ternary distributed system which circumscribes the unity of our
semantical engine for associating and hosting religious belief and their
value systems.

http://www.grapple.id.au/vCube.html?zen:1,row:3,col:2

supported options include:

?date:2009.5.16 <-- displays noumenon entry for date 16 May
?time:15.24 <-- displays noumenon entry for time 3.24 pm
?zen:1,row:3,col:2 <-- noumenon entry #10 for 17 July
?nous:45 <-- noumenon entry #45
?telos:237 <-- hierarchy of understanding

That this architecture is compatible with Jewish belief of the Old
Testament, the Christian belief of the New Testament era and as a
portable language independent encyclical architecture and hermeneutic to
the Scriptures, it is superior to the portability of the Koran.

- http://www.grapple.id.au/Chronicles/automata.html
Ted L
2009-05-17 01:28:47 UTC
Permalink
Eating shellfish is an abomination according to your source.  What are
you going to do about all the shellfish eaters?  Shellfish consumption
is measured by the ton.  Doesn't that make it much worse that any gay
issue?
"Whatsoever hath no fins nor scales in the waters, that shall be an
abomination unto you."
Shellfish and the like were abominations unto the eaters, not unto
God.

Sodomy is an abomination before God. (Deut 23:17-18)

And the abominable will be cast into the Lake of Fire, which is the
Second Death. (Revelation 20:8), except those who've repented before
their first appointed death.
Repent or perish (Luke 13:3,5)
dolf
2009-05-17 02:01:32 UTC
Permalink
Post by Ted L
Sodomy is an abomination before God. (Deut 23:17-18)
And the abominable will be cast into the Lake of Fire, which is the
Second Death. (Revelation 20:8), except those who've repented before
their first appointed death.
Repent or perish (Luke 13:3,5)
The GRAPPLE paradigm as a Balanced Ternary Distributed System, maps to
the Chinese DAOist (#81 element, ternary number theory) and I-Ching (H64
elements as binary apparatus) to produce by extrusion, Hebrew and other
language based categories of understanding by deploying this in
conjunction with a chronological syllogism, or logical appeal: [Greek:
syllismos meaning conclusion, inference], where usually the categorical
syllogism—such as: "No servant can serve two masters: for either he will
hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and
despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

And the Pharisees also, who were covetous, heard all these things: and
they derided him."

The pretension-MALAKOS as onomantick basis to Pythagorean and Egyptian
marriage mysticism as BINARY apparatus and Christian identity as
ARSENOKOITE is set in contrast to the TERNARY nature of the CHINESE
perspective of this same cosmology. There is a logical mantric and manic
contention between Pythagoras' BINARY apparatus of number as
HETEROS-MARRIAGE mysticism and the Chinese use of the 64 equilibrium
elements of the Changes as functionally an equivalent BINARY apparatus.
As to God's syllogistic definition of piety-monogenes derived from
marriage-monogamous gamogenesis, not ours:

Marriage before God: "Therefore shall a man leave his father and his
mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh."
[Genesis 2:24]

Abomination before God: "If a man lie down with men as he lieth with
women" [Leviticus 18:22], "and women with women as with men." [Romans 2:26]

Involving a kind of logical argument in which one proposition as the
conclusion or Telos [#2187 = 37 or 'oth cycle: #2184 / #6000 = 122J3W1D]
is inferred from two others [the major premise: which contains the law
of that will as 7 x 24 x 13 = 2184 days of the 'oth cycle] and [the
minor premise: which contains the command to behave in accordance with
the law, that is, the principle of subsumption under the law: x 49 = 6J
or 294 x 364 days or 365.2425 x 293 years - Vernal Equinox Wednesday 20
March] of a certain form.

"And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men;
but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men
is abomination in the sight of God.

The law and the prophets were until John {the grace or mercy of the
Lord}: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man
presseth into it."

THE BIBLICAL COSMOLOGY (AS 10 COMMANDMENTS) IS ASSOCIATED TO A BALANCED
TERNARY DISTRIBUTED SYSTEM

#1 = [the major premise {YANG/FATHER/HEAVEN/MALE/FORM - Formula of
Universal Law}, which contains the law of that will:

7 x 24 x 13 = 2184 days of the 'oth cycle = 6D or 6 x 364 associated to
the 'constant sequence of sun and moon' as 354 x 3 + 30 day
intercalation = 1092 days x 2 = 2184 days] +

#2 = [the minor premise {YIN/MOTHER/EARTH/FEMALE/MATTER - Formula of
Humanity - HEAD OF STATE}, which contains the command to behave in
accordance with the law, that is, the principle of subsumption under the
law:

x 49 = 6J or 294 x 364 days or 365.2425 x 293 years - Vernal Equinox
Wednesday 20 March 1996 / 21 March = 1 Nisan 5756; and] +

#3 = [the conclusion {ZHUN/SON/SEA/ENUMERATE/OFFSPRING - Formula of
Autonomy}, which contains the verdict (sentence), that is laid down as
right in the case at hand: ... 6,000 topical years as Telos ('achariyth
as 122J3W1D) = Arch (re'shiyth as 3W1D) + c² [9(9²+1)/2]:

has #369 with Septet #41 {ie. #81 - #27 - #9 - #3 - #1} centric on {ie.
20 March 1996 + (5*364) + 182 = 12 Sept 2001 as 1st day of 7th solar
month = #0 - Zero point} 13-17 September 2001 / 18 September = 1 Tishri
5762. ref: "On [Sunday 16 September as] the 1st day of the [21st
priestly] course of Jachin {he that strengthens and makes steadfast} on
the 29th day of lunar month, on the 5th day of the 7th solar month."
[4Q321]] +

#4 = 'OTH Chronological Elements = #10 as {Totality of Nature = Formula
of Progression of individual phenomena: #1 = {0: 1} + #2 = {0: -1, 1: 1}
+ #3 = {0: 0, 1: 1} + #4 = {0: 1, 1: 1} = #10 = {0: 1, 1: 0, 2: 1}}

vCube Balanced Ternary System distribution: #1 = {0: 1}; #41 = {0: -1,
1: -1, 2: -1, 3: -1, 4: 1}; #81 = (0: 0, 1: 0, 2:0, 3:0, 4:1}

ONE: 1, 2, 3
TWO: 0, 3, 6
THREE: 0, 9, 18
FOUR: 0, 27, 54 = Chinese Tetragramation (Yang, Yin, Zhun) of Number
(Imperial Governance of male - dragon, female (consort) - phoenix: 206
BCE to 220 CE published 2 BCE); cf: [Deuteronomy 4:1-20]
FIVE: 0, 81, 369 = 9(9²+1)/2 - Organisation of the Myriad of things
SIX: 0, 243, 729 = Appraisals within vCube (9 x 9 x 9)
SEVEN: 0, 729, 2187 = 17 March (Saint Patrick's Day and ipso facto 25
March) + 2 x 'OTH CYCLE of 1092 (6 x 364 = 6D) days as Genesis and
substantiation of Christian identity.

The Kabbalistic mechanistic notion presented here, is that each of the
unique 729 x 2 = 1458 (male/female) appraisals and Dynamic Natural
Associators within the systems core operate as daemons or dialectic
temporal (distinct from any chronological steeping and calendaring
orientation of them as) containers. Such origins of noumenclature which
is equally applicable to homeopathy from my view of the public Internet
discussion so far, regarding its mechanism of practice as it is for an
oncologist managing chemotherapy treatment procedures--that these
systems tend to have Kabbalistic paradigms as their semiotic basis. The
Caduceus is such a symbol, whose history of common usage, serves as a
suitable parable on confusion:

"As god of the high-road and the market-place Hermes was perhaps above
all else the patron of commerce and the fat purse: as a corollary, he
was the special protector of the traveling salesman. As spokesman for
the gods, he not only brought peace on earth (occasionally even the
peace of death), but his silver-tongued eloquence could always make the
worse appear the better cause. From this latter point of view, would not
his symbol be suitable for certain Congressmen, all medical quacks, book
agents and purveyors of vacuum cleaners, rather than for the
straight-thinking, straight-speaking therapist? As conductor of the dead
to their subterranean abode, his emblem would seem more appropriate on a
hearse than on a physician's car." [ref: Wikipedia 2009:Confusion with
the Caduceus]

Rabbi Jaakov Feldman (Project Genesis) comments that even the Kabbalah
sephirot -- the very building blocks of all cosmic reality, “are (only)
one of the mechanisms that the Supreme Will wanted to present His laws
through”, that their use is "not intrinsic to Him, but (rather) a
mechanism that He willfully chose" among an infinite number of them. As
such, nothing is other than as He wills it to be and that His choice of
the makeup of the cosmos was also on purpose and is just one of an
infinite number of possible cosmic makeups He might have opted for. For,
not only are the laws of nature one of His "inventions", but the very
fact that there’d be "nature” (ie. process, function, components,
properties, etc.) at all is an idea of His that wasn’t at all mandatory!
[(c) 2009 Rabbi Jaakov Feldman, Ramchal: Da at Tevunot -- The Knowing
Heart Section 1, Chapter 18]

"And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass [1 John 5:7], than one
tittle of the law to fail: "In his first audience at the Vatican since
his divorce from Diana, Princess of Wales, the Prince was expected to
receive a gift of a "luxury facsimile" of an appeal to Pope Clement VII
in 1530 CE in which English peers asked for the annulment of Henry
VIII’s (1491-1547 CE) marriage to Catherine of Aragon.

This follows after the Telegraph.co.uk Online Newspaper had in the first
week of April reported, that the words "Willyam Thomas, I pray yow pray
for me your lovyng master: Prynce Henry" are from a prayer roll once
belonging to the teenage Henry, who gave the roll to William Thomas, one
of his personal servants in his Privy Chamber, some time between 1505
and 1509 CE, when Henry was the Prince of Wales.

That we are able to determine whether the Monarch was a godly man by
measuring the chronological steeping to the Grapple Homoiotic Noumenon
as intellectual property and hypostatic metashematizo of homoousion. The
prayer roll will be shown in public for the first time at the British
Library's exhibition Henry VIII: Man and Monarch, which opens later this
month and marks the 500th anniversary of Henry's accession to the
throne. [Copyright and Courtesy Roya Nikkhah, Arts Correspondent,
Telegraph.co.uk 2009.4.4: Exciting discovery reveals Henry VIII as firm
believer in Catholicism]

Pope Benedict XVI, drawing on the analogy of an earthquake that had
several days earlier, struck the Italian Abruzzo region severely
damaging many churches, said "there is another 'ruin' that is far more
serious [to] that of people and communities! Like Francis [of Assisi (c.
1181-1226)], always start with yourselves. We are the first house that
God wants to restore.

If you are always able to renew yourselves in the spirit of the Gospel,
you will continue to assist the pastors of the Church to make more and
more beautiful the Church's face, that of the bride of Christ. The Pope,
now the same as then, expects this of you... Now go and bring to all the
peace and love of Christ the Saviour. May Mary Immaculate, 'Virgin made
Church', accompany you always. And may my Apostolic Blessing, which I
cordially impart to all of you here present, and the entire Franciscan
family, support you as well." [(c) 2009 Zenit News Agency 2009.4.20,
ZE09042008, Benedict XVI's Castel Gandolfo address to the Franciscan
Family: Attracting Christian Men and Women of All Ages]

The original appeal attributed to a hoax in news reports of 2009.4.20,
spoke of an important document in the history of the Reformation, which
is kept in the Vatican’s secret archives. But I've repeated here the
substance of the hocus-pocus {ie. hax pax max Deus adimax: material
objections by which to undertake various transformations related to
artificial or natural phenomena} amongst the hoi-polloi who may
recognize this hoity-toity and historical impunity to the Sovereign
autonomic right to regulative freewill as the ‘right to remain silent’
and ‘presumption of innocence’ under the Commonwealth amounts to Treason.

According to reports, Benedict XVI intends the gift as a good-will
gesture to assist in the healing of relations between the Vatican and
the Church of England. But some believe the guesture originates from a
parody of the Roman Catholic liturgy of the eucharist, which contains
the phrase "Hoc est enim corpus meum". This explanation goes back to
speculations by the Anglican prelate John Tillotson (1630-1694), who
wrote in 1694: "In all probability those common juggling words of hocus
pocus are nothing else but a corruption of hoc est corpus, by way of
ridiculous imitation of the priests of the Church of Rome in their trick
of Transubstantiation."

Or it may simply be imitation Latin with no meaning, made up to impress
people: "I will speak of one man... that went about in King James his
time... who called himself, The Kings Majesties most excellent Hocus
Pocus, and so was he called, because that at the playing of every Trick,
he used to say, Hocus pocus, tontus talontus, vade celeriter jubeo, a
dark composure of words, to blind the eyes of the beholders, to make his
Trick pass the more currently without discovery, because when the eye
and the ear of the beholder are both earnestly busied, the Trick is not
so easily discovered, nor the Imposture discerned." [According to
Wikipedia Sources 2009: Thomas Ady, A Candle in the Dark, 1656]

However, it will also serve as a reminder of the schism rooted in Henry
VIII’s battles with the Holy See over the binding nature of marriage: "I
have read in Times Online that, for the occasion of the forthcoming
visit of the Prince of Wales and the Duchess of Cornwall, the Pope is to
gift his illustrious visitors a fascimile of the 1530 CE appeal by
English peers to Pope Clement VII asking for the annulment of Henry
VIII's marriage to Catherine of Aragon (From the Times April 20, 'The
Pope's gift...' Richard Owen, Rome) This news is completely untrue and
has no basis whatsoever in fact. I would ask you to issue an immediate
and unambiguous denial. Yours faithfully" [Federico Lombardi S J, Holy
See Press Office, Vatican City 2009.4.20]

The Prince was the first senior member of the Royal Family to marry a
divorcée since Edward VIII [who had to abdicate in 1936 to marry the
American Wallis Simpson. The Roman Catholic Church considers marriage a
legal and sacred bond "which cannot be broken using temporal laws"].
According to erroneous media reports, the Prince was expected, to be the
first to receive a gift as facsimile of the document from the Pope.
[Copyright and Courtesy Foreign Staff Reporters, Telegraph.co.uk
2009.4.20: Charles and Camilla to be reminded of Pope's view of divorce]

Whosoever putteth away his wife, and marrieth another, committeth
adultery: and whosoever marrieth her that is put away from her husband
committeth adultery.'" [Luke 16:13-18 (KJV)]

- dolf
- http://www.grapple.id.au/Chronicles/automata.html
Dr. House
2009-05-17 02:06:23 UTC
Permalink
Post by Ted L
Eating shellfish is an abomination according to your source.  What are
you going to do about all the shellfish eaters?  Shellfish consumption
is measured by the ton.  Doesn't that make it much worse that any gay
issue?
"Whatsoever hath no fins nor scales in the waters, that shall be an
abomination unto you."
Shellfish and the like were abominations unto the eaters, not unto
God.
Sodomy is an abomination before God.  (Deut 23:17-18)
And the abominable will be cast into the Lake of Fire, which is the
Second Death. (Revelation 20:8), except those who've repented before
their first appointed death.
Repent or perish (Luke 13:3,5)
Lev 18:8 The nakedness of thy father's wife shalt thou not uncover: it
is thy father's nakedness.
Violated by Reuben - Gen 35:22

Lev 18:9 The nakedness of thy sister, the daughter of thy father, or
daughter of thy mother, whether she be born at home, or born abroad,
even their nakedness thou shalt not uncover.
Violated by Amnom, son of David and Crown Prince of Israel. - 2 Sam
13:14

Lev 18:18 Neither shalt thou take a wife to her sister, to vex her, to
uncover her nakedness, beside the other in her life time.
Violated by Israel himself when he married Rachel.

All of them are abominations and even heros from the Bible have
committed abominations.

Lev 18:24-29 "Defile not ye yourselves in any of these things: for
in all these the nations are defiled which I cast out before you: And
the land is defiled: therefore I do visit the iniquity thereof upon
it, and the land itself vomiteth out her inhabitants. Ye shall
therefore keep my statutes and my judgments, and shall not commit any
of these abominations; neither any of your own nation, nor any
stranger that sojourneth among you: (For all these abominations have
the men of the land done, which were before you, and the land is
defiled;) That the land spue not you out also, when ye defile it, as
it spued out the nations that were before you. For whosoever shall
commit any of these abominations, even the souls that commit them
shall be cut off from among their people."

The book is not consistent. What gives us the right to cherry pick?


God bless,

House
Ted L
2009-05-17 02:29:06 UTC
Permalink
<SNIP> All of them are abominations and even heros from the Bible have
Post by Dr. House
committed abominations.
Heros? They all had the same sin problem you and I have.

"All have sinned and come short of the glory of God." Romans 3:23

"For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life
through Jesus Christ our Lord." (Romans 6:23)

"Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted
out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the
Lord" (Acts 3:19)
Dr. House
2009-05-17 02:45:38 UTC
Permalink
Post by Ted L
<SNIP> All of them are abominations and even heros from the Bible have
Post by Dr. House
committed abominations.
Heros? They all had the same sin problem you and I have.
"All have sinned and come short of the glory of God." Romans 3:23
"For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life
through Jesus Christ our Lord." (Romans 6:23)
"Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted
out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the
Lord" (Acts 3:19)
Oh, so now an abomination is just a sin like any other sin - no more
and no less?

Well, that was easy.


God bless,

House
<Kelly>
2009-05-17 02:49:36 UTC
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Post by Dr. House
Post by Ted L
<SNIP> All of them are abominations and even heros from the Bible have
Post by Dr. House
committed abominations.
Heros? They all had the same sin problem you and I have.
"All have sinned and come short of the glory of God." Romans 3:23
"For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life
through Jesus Christ our Lord." (Romans 6:23)
"Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted
out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the
Lord" (Acts 3:19)
Oh, so now an abomination is just a sin like any other sin - no more
and no less?
Well, that was easy.
Ted seems to be easily confused.
dolf
2009-05-17 13:32:22 UTC
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Did someone say SIN?

I have recently added the meta for the categories of understanding which
don't have a temporal connection--I think of this as the mechanistic and
dertministic sin equivalent of the lint filter within a clothes dryer.

var META_NONTEMPORAL = {
72: {},
148: {}, 184: {}, 196: {},
205: {}, 208: {}, 209: {}, 212: {}, 221: {}, 225: {}, 227: {}, 258:
{}, 267: {},
305: {}, 344: {}, 422: {}, 442: {}, 463: {}, 464: {}, 487: {},
501: {}, 508: {}, 510: {}, 515: {}, 519: {}, 525: {}, 530: {}, 531:
{}, 534: {}, 535: {}, 536: {}, 547: {}, 569: {}, 574: {}, 583: {}, 584: {}
}

I am able to look at the dialectic container or daemon in which these occur.

#148 / #72
- http://www.grapple.id.au/vCube.html?zen:8,nous:41

#184
- http://www.grapple.id.au/vCube.html?zen:8,nous:40

#196 (#70, #30, #40, #50, #6 Our secret sin)
- http://www.grapple.id.au/vCube.html?zen:1,nous:16

#100, #6, #90 to be astir, to move; to awake (from sleep or from death),
to rise from the dead; to arouse oneself; to hasten on.
dolf
2009-05-17 13:33:43 UTC
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Did someone say SIN?

I have recently added the meta for the categories of understanding which
don't have a temporal connection--I think of this as the mechanistic and
deterministic sin equivalent of the lint filter within a clothes dryer.

var META_NONTEMPORAL = {
72: {},
148: {}, 184: {}, 196: {},
205: {}, 208: {}, 209: {}, 212: {}, 221: {}, 225: {}, 227: {}, 258:
{}, 267: {},
305: {}, 344: {}, 422: {}, 442: {}, 463: {}, 464: {}, 487: {},
501: {}, 508: {}, 510: {}, 515: {}, 519: {}, 525: {}, 530: {}, 531:
{}, 534: {}, 535: {}, 536: {}, 547: {}, 569: {}, 574: {}, 583: {}, 584: {}
}

I am able to look at the dialectic container or daemon in which these occur.

#148 / #72
- http://www.grapple.id.au/vCube.html?zen:8,nous:41

#184
- http://www.grapple.id.au/vCube.html?zen:8,nous:40

#196 (#70, #30, #40, #50, #6 Our secret sin)
- http://www.grapple.id.au/vCube.html?zen:1,nous:16

#100, #6, #90 to be astir, to move; to awake (from sleep or from death),
to rise from the dead; to arouse oneself; to hasten on.
<Kelly>
2009-05-17 02:11:34 UTC
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Post by Ted L
"Whatsoever hath no fins nor scales in the waters, that shall be an
abomination unto you."
Shellfish and the like were abominations unto the eaters, not unto
God.
Yes, God placed that food prohibition for health reasons. Ever
wondered why?
Post by Ted L
Sodomy is an abomination before God.  (Deut 23:17-18)
Hmmm...there's nothing in Deuteronomy 23:17-18 about "sodomy" , Ted
(and nothing in the above, either - just talk of fish and clams). Did
you actually read what it says or did you just skim it? Here - I'll
even post both verses for you so you can see for yourself...

" None of the daughters of Israel shall be a cult prostitute, nor
shall any of the sons of Israel be a cult prostitute. You shall not
bring the hire of a harlot or the wages of a dog into the house of the
LORD your God for any votive offering, for both of these are an
abomination to the LORD your God." ( Deuteronomy 23:17-18 )

Wanna try again, Ted?
Post by Ted L
And the abominable will be cast into the Lake of Fire, which is the
Second Death. (Revelation 20:8),
Hmmm...nothing in that verse about sodomy, either Ted. Here, let me
post the verse for you to actually read this time (along with the
corresponding verse 7 which actually gives context...

"When the thousand years are completed, Satan will be released from
his prison,
and will come out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners
of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together for the war; the
number of them is like the sand of the seashore." ( Revelation 20:8 )

Wow - not only is there nothing in there about "sodomy", but there's
also nothing about what you claimed it said - Lake of Fire, Second
Death, anyone who is suppoed to be "abominable" (but there could be
Yetis there, I suppose ;-)

Wanna try again, Ted?
Post by Ted L
except those who've repented before
their first appointed death.
Repent or perish (Luke 13:3,5)
Hmmm...well, there's nothing in Luke about "sodomy", either. What's
more, Jesus never uttered one recorded word about "sodomy", Ted. But,
just like the previous, I will post the verse you didn't so you can
see that you're kinda confused about what the verses you provided
actually say...

"I tell you, no, but unless you repent, you will all likewise perish.
Or do you suppose that those eighteen on whom the tower in Siloam fell
and killed them were {worse} culprits than all the men who live in
Jerusalem? I tell you, no, but unless you repent, you will all
likewise perish." ( Luke 13:3-5 )

Good verses, but nothing about "sodomy" or "the abominable" (or even
Yetis). Having a bad reading comprehension day, Ted?

And do you wanna try again?
Rod
2009-05-17 02:25:16 UTC
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Post by <Kelly>
Hmmm...nothing in that verse about sodomy, either Ted.
Can you read ?? Deu 23:17 There shall be no whore of the daughters
of Israel, nor a sodomite of the sons of Israel.
Randy ®
2009-05-17 13:09:11 UTC
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On Sat, 16 May 2009 21:25:16 -0500,
In newsgroup "alt.bible",
Post by Rod
Post by <Kelly>
Hmmm...nothing in that verse about sodomy, either Ted.
Can you read ?? Deu 23:17 There shall be no whore of the daughters
of Israel, nor a sodomite of the sons of Israel.
Which is simply _more_ documented proof she's as conscience
seared a brazen liar as she can possibly be. No one who
claims God endorses homosexuality can possibly be someone who
believes in Christ for salvation, or anything other than a
satanically energized moron.

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Have you heard Christ died for our sins, and God raised Him
from the dead? Did you know God saves you from hell and
gives you eternal life through faith in this finished work alone,
not your merits (Jn. 3:16; 1 Cor. 15:1-3; Eph. 2:8-10; 2 Thess.
1:8-9)? This is so man cannot boast, and God alone gets the
glory (Eph. 2:8-9).
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Randy ®
2009-05-17 04:02:17 UTC
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On Sat, 16 May 2009 17:26:00 GMT,
In newsgroup "alt.bible",
Post by Ted L
Marriage before God: "Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother,
and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh. "(c.f. Genesis
2:24)
Abomination before God: if a man lie down with men as he lieth with women
(Leviticus 18:22), and women with women as with men (Romans 2:26).
Correct.

--
Have you heard Christ died for our sins, and God raised Him
from the dead? Did you know God saves you from hell and
gives you eternal life through faith in this finished work alone,
not your merits (Jn. 3:16; 1 Cor. 15:1-3; Eph. 2:8-10; 2 Thess.
1:8-9)? This is so man cannot boast, and God alone gets the
glory (Eph. 2:8-9).
______________________________________________
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www.twitter.com/faithguard
www.facebook.com/people/Randy-Faithguard/1088671914
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Jani
2009-05-17 14:03:42 UTC
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Post by Randy ®
On Sat, 16 May 2009 17:26:00 GMT,
In newsgroup "alt.bible",
Post by Ted L
Marriage before God: "Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother,
and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh. "(c.f. Genesis
2:24)
Abomination before God: if a man lie down with men as he lieth with women
(Leviticus 18:22), and women with women as with men (Romans 2:26).
Correct.
But no-one would ever know unless they were watching the people concerned.
How much time do you spend observing these 'abominations', Randy? Do you do
it IRL? Creeping up and peering through your neighbours' bedroom windows? Or
do you just make good use of those websites which save you the trouble of
even moving out of your chair?

Jani

Barry
2009-05-17 04:19:56 UTC
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Post by Ted L
Marriage before God: "Therefore shall a man leave his father and his
mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
"(c.f. Genesis 2:24)
Abomination before God: if a man lie down with men as he lieth with women
(Leviticus 18:22), and women with women as with men (Romans 2:26).
There is no doubt about it. When god decided to create homosexuality it was
so he could
further confuse and taunt mankind.

God is cruel.
Post by Ted L
--
God's definitions, not ours.
Yes, but don't forget it was man who created and programmed god.
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