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martus
2005-09-28 07:56:10 UTC
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Nun Terrorized by Terror Watch

By Ryan Singel
02:00 AM Sep. 26, 2005 PT

Sister Glenn Anne McPhee is a busy woman.

As the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops' secretary for education,
Sister McPhee oversees Catholic education in the United States, from
nursery school through post-graduate. Her job includes working with the
Department of Education, speaking frequently at conferences and
scrutinizing religious textbooks to clear them with the teachings of
the church.

For nine months in 2003 and 2004, Sister McPhee also took on the task
of clearing her name from the government's no-fly list, an endeavor
that proved fruitless until she called on a higher power, the White
House.

"I got to the point I could hardly go to the airport, because I
couldn't anticipate what would happen and I couldn't do anything," she
said in an interview with Wired News. "I missed key addresses I was to
give. I finally got to the point where I always checked my bag, because
after I got through the police clearance, then they would put me
through special security where they wand you from head to foot all
over. They would dump out everything in your bag, then roll it into a
ball and hand it back to you."

McPhee is not the first high-profile individual to be caught by the
government's watch lists. Sen. Edward Kennedy and former presidential
candidate John Anderson both found that their names matched names on
the list, but like McPhee, were able to resolve the problem by
contacting powerful officials.

But, thanks to documents obtained under the Freedom of Information Act,
her ordeal offers one of the most illuminating illustrations of the
failures of the airport screening system that has come to light since
9/11. The Electronic Privacy Information Center plans to release the
results of the FOIA request this week, Wired News has learned, handing
the latest black eye to a government initiative aimed at preventing
terrorists from boarding commercial flights that originate in the
United States.

EPIC obtained the call logs of the Transportation Security
Administration, the agency in charge of maintaining and enforcing the
no-fly list, and found a pattern of complaints from citizens who
charged they were mistakenly scooped up time and time again by the
anti-terrorist program. In addition, innocent people whose names wound
up matching the suspect list, like McPhee, found they had no way to fix
the situation, short of pulling strings.

One caller expressed his humiliation at being pulled off a flight. A
woman named Elizabeth Green wanted to know how her name ended up on the
watch list. A self-described "well-dressed, 100-pound, 69-year-old,
gray-haired grandmother" wanted to know why she was always selected for
extra screening. Several expressed frustration at the call center's
unwillingness to help them get off a government watch list.

Sister McPhee's chronicle of frustration began in mid-October 2003,
after she was stopped at Baltimore Washington International airport on
her way to Providence, Rhode Island.

Unable to check in using the airline's kiosks, McPhee handed her
driver's license and reservation to an airline employee, who keyed her
name into the computer system and then disappeared with her license
into an internal door.

When he returned an hour later, he was accompanied by two police
officers.

The officers flanked the 62-year-old Dominican nun, one standing with
his hand on his gun, the other using a cell phone to run a security
check.

Three hours later, having missed two planes, Sister McPhee was cleared
to enter the security line, where she was wanded from head to toe with
a magnometer.

"This was the beginning of nine months of hell," McPhee said.

Before flying back to Washington, D.C., McPhee called a family
connection who works at an airline and who had access to the watch
lists provided by the government to the airlines.

Sister McPhee was being stopped because the list said that an Afghani
man was using the last name McPhee as an alias. The list had no first
name for him, and the intensive checks would continue until she cleared
her name with the ombudsman at the Transportation Security
Administration, according to this family connection.

McPhee, who travels two or three times a month for her work, tried
contacting the TSA's call center, but had to continue traveling until
her name was cleared.

"I was now leaving three hours ahead, being at airports ahead of time,
only to still miss planes. I was delayed up to five hours," McPhee
said.

Sister McPhee prides herself on being a law-abiding citizen and says
the only time she has been in trouble with the police was when she got
a speeding ticket at age 23.

She admits that once while undergoing screening, she made a "smart
remark" to an officer.

"I said something to the effect that 'If this were Northern Ireland, I
would understand,'" McPhee said. "And the police officer said, 'Ma'am,
I'll pretend I didn't hear that, or otherwise I would have to arrest
you.' After that, I didn't say anything."

When she was not traveling, however, Sister McPhee tried to say
something to the TSA.

McPhee said she called the TSA's complaint line and left numerous
messages. Though the recording promised that someone would call her
back in 72 hours, the TSA never called her back.

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Makes you feel safe when they put Nuns through the wringer and other
groups of law abbiding terrorist. What a waste of money power and
resources drained from education, health and welfare to support the
increasing number of security organisations set up for potential
threats.

Maybe they will get lucky and stop a few of these true terroist getting
on board killing a couple hundred of people but more often than not, it
is not these people they will stop. Meanwhile thousands of their own
citizens are dying or living in hardship due to the lack of
underfunding in their public health systems, welfare organisations and
the increasing cost of education so much so that they need to find
doctors etc from overseas.

Even once elected official can be harrassed with these newly set up
organisations which makes it an effective tool in the hands of the
unelected government to make others toe the line or else!

Whose line but the antichrist line, the head of all occultic masonic
members permeating their stench through all levels of government, who
respect the brotherhood and crush those who are not in the brotherhood
or sisterhood of the occult in their bid to be in the top echelons of
power. Once there, filling the lower positions if possible with their
member

And then the final security measure that will be put into place will
be:


Rev 13:15 And it was given unto him to give breath to it, even to the
image to the breast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and
cause that as many as should not worship the image of the beast should
be killed.
Rev 13:16 And he causeth all, the small and the great, and the rich
and the poor, and the free and the bond, that there be given them a
mark on their right hand, or upon their forehead;
Rev 13:17 and that no man should be able to buy or to sell, save he
that hath the mark, even the name of the beast or the number of his
name.
Rev 13:18 Here is wisdom. He that hath understanding, let him count
the number of the beast; for it is the number of a man: and his number
is Six hundred and sixty and six.


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martus
2005-09-29 03:51:56 UTC
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House arrest for terror suspects

By Joseph Kerr

Suspected terrorists as young as 16 will face house arrest for up to a
year without being convicted of an offence under sweeping laws agreed
to by all Australian governments.

Police will also be able to pre-emptively detain people for up to 14
days, without charge, if they suspect they are planning a terrorist
offence.

State premiers and chief ministers met the Prime Minister yesterday and
accepted the harsh new laws, which Queensland's Peter Beattie called
draconian but necessary.

Suspects placed under house arrest would have no warning of the action
until issued orders by federal police. The court orders would be issued
in secret so any terrorist associates could not be tipped off about the
investigation.

The premiers and chief ministers forced a sunset clause for the
legislation on the Prime Minister, John Howard. This means the laws
will last only 10 years unless extended by future parliaments. The
premiers also won a five-year judicial review of the laws.

Meeting Mr Howard in Canberra yesterday, the political leaders were
reassured by the judicial checks and balances, although they left
lawyers aghast.

Mr Howard needed the states to agree because the Federal Government
does not have the constitutional power on its own to bring in some of
the changes.

At the heart of the legislative changes are the tough preventive
detention rules and "control orders" - restrictions such as house
arrest, electronic tagging and tracking, and bans on approaching
certain areas or people.

A court will be able to issue a control order if it is satisfied "on
the balance of probabilities" that it will substantially help in
preventing a terrorist attack, or if the suspect has trained with a
listed terrorist organisation. Suspects detained will be allowed to
contact a lawyer. However, they will be allowed to tell only family
members and their employer that they are safe but cannot be contacted.
Preventive detention may also be imposed after a terrorist attack to
preserve evidence.

Safeguards such as having a court approve the control orders and
allowing suspects to challenge them will be built in.

Mr Howard said "these are unusual remedies for an unusual situation" to
fight "this shadowy, elusive and lethal enemy".

"In other circumstances I would never have sought these new powers," he
said. "But we live in very dangerous and different and threatening
circumstances ... I think all of these powers are needed."

The new powers will be introduced to the various parliaments over the
next few months. Draft bills will be made available to the states in
two to three weeks.

The NSW Premier, Morris Iemma, said: "Our overriding responsibility is
to protect our citizens, to better secure our citizens, and that's what
today's outcome will do."

The ACT's Chief Minister, Jon Stanhope, was persuaded by briefings by
ASIO, the Office of National Assessments and federal police that his
concerns about the effects on liberty and the rule of law were
unfounded.

Under the agreement each state will review the extent of its coverage
of public transport with closed-circuit cameras. That information will
be shared with other states. A $20 million search facility, attached to
the Australian Federal Police, will investigate ways to counter
chemical, biological, radiological and nuclear terrorist strikes.

On control orders, Mr Howard said: "We're not going to put limits on
that. It could [be house arrest] but it would have to be a very serious
situation."

An Islamic community leader, Keysar Trad, said: "It's just going to
cause greater antagonism among Muslims and ironically could be used to
justify a terror act."

The president of the NSW Bar Association, Ian Harrison, SC, said:
"These provisions have the potential to subvert entirely the
conventional protections and established civil rights that our system
of justice has put in place over the last 200 years."

TOUGH ACTS

- House arrest of terror suspects for up to 12 months
- Electronic tagging

- Detention without charge for up to 14 days

- Monitoring of suspects' phone calls

- Ten-year sunset clause on new laws

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As these government terrrorist organisations need terrorist to stay
functional so that they can justify their existance to the general
public, there is a huge untapped source of terrorists in the general
community.

These people chemical kill human life throughout their lifetimes and if
they forget to take the pill then they have them murder by professional
set up for that line of work. Even if they have given birth to that
human life they have been known to kill their own children and
therefore they should ALL be electronically tag as they are a threat to
other children and even be steralised so that they can no longer kill
their own offspring. After all one human life murder is already one to
many!

That right, it has become a right to murder those human lives without
conscious in society and probably explains the same mentality of those
government terrorist organisations set up to deal with all these
potential threats to society by harrasing its populations. Breaking the
law that the common citizen would be thrown into jail has become common
place for these organisations and even is expressed among themselves as
"have to become a criminal to catch a criminal" and then they further
add "once a criminal always a criminal". They state it themselves that
they are habitual criminal that routinely making a mockery of the law.

I often wonder when hearing in the news of suicides and otherwise
normal people going out and doing terrorist activity whether this is
the end result of these government terrorist organisation's handiwork.
Then they go to the general public and tell them, see this is what we
are protecting you from, gives us more money and even still more power
to harrass our population.

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martus
2005-10-16 22:03:03 UTC
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'Spook' numbers to double
By BRONWYN HURRELL
17oct05
DOUBLING the size of the Australian Security and Intelligence Service
will give Australia a "fighting chance" against terrorists, Prime
Minister John Howard said yesterday.

Announcing the funding boost, he said the threat of home-grown terror
attacks was behind the move.

Despite the extra resources, Mr Howard said he could not guarantee
every single terrorist threat would be anticipated.

Staff numbers will rise from 980 to 1860 by the 2010-2011 financial
year, after former agency director Allan Taylor recommended an
increase.

The agency's funding has almost trebled to a budget of $171.7 million
since the September 11 terrorist attacks.

The Opposition has called on the Government to fast-track the staff
expansion, saying that the threat was immediate.
martus
2005-10-18 07:54:25 UTC
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Post by martus
Despite the extra resources, Mr Howard said he could not guarantee
every single terrorist threat would be anticipated.
Staff numbers will rise from 980 to 1860 by the 2010-2011 financial
year, after former agency director Allan Taylor recommended an
increase.
The agency's funding has almost trebled to a budget of $171.7 million
since the September 11 terrorist attacks.
The Opposition has called on the Government to fast-track the staff
expansion, saying that the threat was immediate.
Terror law's deadly force
Ian McPhedran
15oct05

THE Government's tough new anti-terrorism laws go much further than
previously revealed, according to a draft copy of the Bill published
yesterday on the ACT Government's website.

Sweeping powers to shoot to kill and strict secrecy provisions will
further spook civil libertarians who regard the laws as draconian.
According to the draft the Australian Federal Police will be given
extraordinary "preventive detention" powers to lock up anyone they
believe might be involved in or have knowledge of a terrorist act.

If a suspect refuses to surrender the police will be authorised to
cause their death or grievous bodily harm provided the person cannot be
apprehended otherwise.

Other details to emerge include:

POWERS to prevent detainees from telling next of kin they are being
detained under the laws.

LIFE in prison for financing terror.

SUSPECTS bound to consent to wearing tracking devices.

TERRORISM suspects or those with knowledge prevented from working,
using phones or internet.

ACCESS only to lawyers who are security cleared and contact monitored
by police.

SUSPECTS or associates banned from leaving the country.

RESTRICTED movement between specified times each day.

POLICE will be able to order transport operators to provide details of
cargoes and then swear them to secrecy under threat of two years in
jail.

The Bill also overhauls the nation's sedition laws, placing a
seven-year jail term on inciting hatred or encouraging an enemy.

ACT Chief Minister Jon Stanhope and other state and territory leaders
agreed to the tough package last month, but he now believes the
community must be consulted before the laws are passed. Just one day
has been set aside for the Senate to review the legislation.

The Howard Government tried to force Mr Stanhope to remove the draft
107-page Bill from his website yesterday, but he refused.

He said many of the new laws relied on referred powers from the states
and territories and he wasn't prepared to keep the people of the ACT in
the dark.

"I believe all Australians should have the opportunity to see, think
about and have input into this legislation," he said.

"These laws are of such significance that every individual and every
organisation has the right to have a proper look at the drafts before
they are codified into law."

A spokeswoman for Attorney-General Philip Ruddock said Mr Stanhope's
move was disappointing because the document was merely a draft and had
already been substantially amended.

And despite the fact that it was the document agreed by the leaders the
spokeswoman said it was "incomplete and inaccurate".

Mr Stanhope said: "It is appalling that the Howard Government
apparently believes that the people of Australia have no right to see
this draft legislation, or to have any input whatsoever into its
formulation."

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Sadly this is happening throughout the western nations, shoot to kill,
denied work, communication, abduction and kidnapping(no one knows where
you are when the government forces grab you).

If they say your a terrorist then you are a terrorist and if these
people ever develop any moral conscious and speak out about the
criminal activities of these government organisations then they will
also be locked up.

Where is this global push for such control over people coming from?

You guessed it, from the cogs and wheels of the Antichrist's
organisation, generally known as the freemasons.


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martus
2005-10-20 06:17:55 UTC
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The president of the NSW Law Society, John McIntyre, said the
provision, still in a draft form, would take away an individual's
"fundamental freedoms".

Mr McIntyre told ABC radio that police would be able to obtain a
preventative detention order "without a person being reasonably
suspected of committing of an offence".

The orders may only have been granted on the basis that the person is
an associate of someone suspected of possible involvement in terrorist
activities, he said.

"If the (police) are armed with one of these (orders) ... and if this
person attempts to flee the arrest, he can be shot and fatally shot,"
Mr McIntyre said.
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Even associates can be shot under this order, eg the terrorists family,
friends, Joe blogss who they bumped into, church members, YOU if the so
called terrorist befriended anybody, then they become suspects.

As long as that terrorist government agency suspected anybody then they
can basically do what they want.

Few years ago in the western nations it was laughable at the thought
that that the government can shoot to kill, kidnapp and abduct its
citizens just because they suspect a person of a crime. Now these new
laws can arrest whole organisation that these government terrorist
organistions suspect of terrorism without proof.


Rev 13:6-18 GNB It began to curse God, his name, the place where he
lives, and all those who live in heaven. (7) It was allowed to fight
against God's people and to defeat them, and it was given authority
over every tribe, nation, language, and race. (8) All people living
on earth will worship it, except those whose names were written before
the creation of the world in the book of the living which belongs to
the Lamb that was killed. (9) "Listen, then, if you have ears! (10)
Whoever is meant to be captured will surely be captured; whoever is
meant to be killed by the sword will surely be killed by the sword.
This calls for endurance and faith on the part of God's people." (11)
Then I saw another beast, which came up out of the earth. It had two
horns like a lamb's horns, and it spoke like a dragon. (12) It used
the vast authority of the first beast in its presence. It forced the
earth and all who live on it to worship the first beast, whose wound
had healed. (13) This second beast performed great miracles; it made
fire come down out of heaven to earth in the sight of everyone. (14)
And it deceived all the people living on earth by means of the miracles
which it was allowed to perform in the presence of the first beast. The
beast told them to build an image in honor of the beast that had been
wounded by the sword and yet lived. (15) The second beast was allowed
to breathe life into the image of the first beast, so that the image
could talk and put to death all those who would not worship it. (16)
The beast forced all the people, small and great, rich and poor, slave
and free, to have a mark placed on their right hands or on their
foreheads. (17) No one could buy or sell without this mark, that is,
the beast's name or the number that stands for the name.


In time we will see the Antichrist sitting on the seat of power over
the goverments but now we see his sting as his people put these laws
into place giving total power of the antichrist over the people.
Post by martus
Sadly this is happening throughout the western nations, shoot to kill,
denied work, communication, abduction and kidnapping(no one knows where
you are when the government forces grab you).
If they say your a terrorist then you are a terrorist and if these
people ever develop any moral conscious and speak out about the
criminal activities of these government organisations then they will
also be locked up.
Where is this global push for such control over people coming from?
You guessed it, from the cogs and wheels of the Antichrist's
organisation, generally known as the freemasons.
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martus
2005-10-21 07:38:51 UTC
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Least we forget...............


This shoot to kill law was passed in England and used with deadly
efficiancy on an unarmed fleeing suspect who responded to his
fight/flight instinct when threatened (a natural response in
humans).Later he turned out to be innocent of those bombings.

Worse still they held him down, had him restrained and gave him
numerous lead injections in the head by shooting a restrained man.

The more laws that a government agency is allowed to break, the less
law abiding that government agency will become. Criminals have more
respect for the laws of a country then these agencies have because they
know they can be punnished by the laws which have been circum navigated
by these government agencies.



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martus
2005-10-22 04:26:22 UTC
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Judges liken terror laws to Nazi Germany
By Marie Woolf, Raymond Whitaker and Severin Carrell

A powerful coalition of judges, senior lawyers and politicians has
warned that the Government is undermining freedoms citizens have taken
for granted for centuries and that Britain risks drifting towards a
police state. One of the country's most eminent judges has said that
undermining the independence of the courts has frightening parallels
with Nazi Germany.

Senior legal figures are worried that "inalienable rights" could
swiftly disappear unless Tony Blair ceases attacking the judiciary and
freedoms enshrined in the Human Rights Act.

Lord Ackner, a former law lord, said there was a contradiction between
the Government's efforts to separate Parliament and the judiciary
through the creation of a supreme court, and its instinct for directing
judges how to behave. He cautioned against "meddling" by politicians in
the way the courts operate.

"I think it is terribly important there should not be this apparent
battle between the executive and the judiciary. The judiciary has been
put there by Parliament in order to ensure that the executive acts
lawfully. If we take that away from the judiciary we are really apeing
what happened in Nazi Germany," he said.

Lord Ackner added that the Government's proposals to hold terrorist
suspects for three months without charge were overblown. "The police
have made a case for extending the two weeks but to extend it to three
months is excessive."

Lord Lester QC, a leading human rights lawyer, expressed concern that
the Government was flouting human rights law and meddling with the
courts.

"If the Prime Minister and other members of the Government continue to
threaten to undermine the Human Rights Act and interfere with judicial
independence we shall have to secure our basic human rights and
freedoms with a written constitution," he said.

Lord Carlile, a deputy High Court judge, warned against the whittling
away of historic civil liberties. "We have to be acute about protecting
what is taken for granted as inalienable rights. In the United States
the Patriot Act included a system whereby a witness to a terrorist
incident can be detained for up to a year. This is in the land of the
free."

The senior barrister remarked that judges had now replaced MPs as the
defenders of basic human rights.

"People use d to look to their MPs as the first port of call to deal
with any perceived injustice by the executive. Now there is an
increasing tendency for people to look to the judges to protect their
liberties," he said.

Mark Oaten, the Liberal Democrat home affairs spokesman, said Tony
Blair was transforming Britain into an authoritarian state. "In eight
years he has dismantled centuries of judicial protection. Britain's
reputation as the world's most tolerant nation is now under threat," he
said.

If Mr Blair's proposed terror legislation was unamended, said Anthony
Scrivener QC, "Britain would be a significant step closer to a police
state". The Prime Minister spoke of "summary justice", said the lawyer:
"It would be better named street justice."

This week the Law Lords will consider whether evidence obtained under
torture abroad should be admissible in British courts. Shami
Chakrabarti, director of Liberty, said admitting such evidence would
undermine one of Britain's basic freedoms.

"The Prime Minister is trying in his own words to try to tear up the
rules of the game," she said. "The rules of liberal democracy are about
no torture, free speech and fair trials. Every time he denigrates these
he undermines the fabric of our society."

© 2005 Independent News & Media (UK) Ltd.

____________________________________________________________________


In Australia the premier of the Australian Captial Teritory leaked the
information of the new terrorist laws where the government can shoot
it's citizen as dogs(as in England) and a number of other abuses and
for shinning light on this matter and posting it on a website this
Premier has been excluded from getting redrafted copies of those
terrorist laws.

To pass this into law it only needs a majority of the other states and
Teritory.

These laws are being swept (mostly) in secret, without the approval of
the people, in so many use to be free western nations.


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martus
2005-10-23 21:13:14 UTC
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There's no place like home for the new anti-terrorism laws

By Adele Horin

THE Federal Government's proposed anti-terrorism laws could be a
godsend in disguise for Australian families. I am thinking of families
who have lost authority over their fractious teenagers and are looking
for a way to keep them home.

When the kids get too old to be sent to the naughty corner, ignore your
protestations about the hours and the company they keep and the
unsavoury internet sites they favour, don't despair. I think I can see
a way under the proposed anti-terrorism laws for powerless parents to
enlist the help of the Australian Federal Police and ASIO.

The anti-terrorism laws may do little to prevent a hothead blowing up
Town Hall station. But they offer much scope in subduing insubordinate
teens who want to go clubbing at midnight instead of studying for their
exams.

Here's what I have in mind, having read a draft of the proposed laws
thoughtfully posted on the website of Jon Stanhope, the ACT Chief
Minister.

The best bet lies in the proposed control orders, which sound like
every parent's dream. Under these orders a person who has committed no
crime can have severe restrictions placed on their daily lives for a
year - or for those aged 16 to 18, for three months.

You have to persuade the Federal Police your child may be thinking of
committing a terrorist act. No worries, considering you can doubtless
attest to his unsavoury friends, his late-night assignations and his
violent anti-government rhetoric.

The police can take away most of his rights and freedoms without having
to charge him with a crime. And nor must they tell him the grounds for
their actions (or that you dobbed him in).

A judge or magistrate must agree that a control order should be
imposed, but that should be easy. After all, under the proposed laws
your child has no right to put his case or appear in court or argue
that his unsavoury associates are ravers not radicals and that he
thinks suicide bombers are uncool.

No, the court will never get to hear the lad's side. On the say-so of
the Federal Police, the court is sure to approve a control order. How
could judges insist on a high level of proof if their dillying could
result in the Harbour Bridge being blown asunder?

And under the control order there is no end of restrictions that can be
placed on your wayward teen - a veritable cornucopia of punishments.

The court can order him never to leave the house, but that might be a
strain on the family. It might be better if the lad is ordered to wear
an electronic tag that tracks his every movement.

He can be ordered not to use the phone and never to associate with his
scruffy friends again - or to frequent those iniquitous binge-drinking
dens. And he can be forbidden to touch the internet. There's a long
list of specific restrictions laid out in the proposed law that will
ensure your child's life is controlled by a higher authority.

The anti-terrorism laws will bring to the home the discipline so sadly
lacking before. Your son may have flouted your pathetic curfews and
house rules, but now if he strays, makes a forbidden phone call or
clicks into the web, it's off to jail for five years, just like that.

Most people who care about civil liberties say these anti-terrorism
laws go too far in robbing us of the freedoms and legal protections
that distinguish democracies from dictatorships. Control orders are not
right, they say. It is wrong that a person should live in limbo for 12
months, neither a criminal nor a free man, assumed guilty yet charged
with no crime, and with limited rights to get the order revoked.

The introduction of judicial review is a smokescreen by the Government,
these critics say, to give legitimacy to Big Brother powers. In effect,
no judge woken in the middle of the night, and presented with one side
of the argument, will demur.

If the police nab the wrong Ahmed or mistake the rantings of a mentally
ill person for terrorist diatribe, the innocent will suffer, say the
civil libertarians. And use of these techniques on the alienated, the
angry and the critics of Government policy will inflame the very
hostilities anti-terrorism laws are intended to douse.

But I say these laws have potential for desperate parents whose lives
are being ruined by ungrateful brats. And to those folk who believe
only terrorists have to fear the anti-terrorism laws, I say you have
failed to grasp their latent promise in curbing all manner of
trouble-makers.

But a word of warning to parents: if kids get smart, they will realise
they can use the new laws to their own ends. For them, the preventive
detention provisions offer much promise.

Under these provisions ASIO can detain a terrorism suspect for 14 days
- once the states' legislation is passed - without charge. Here's the
catch: the detainee is prevented by law from telling his family, or
anyone else, why he has suddenly disappeared. He can only report to one
family member that he is "safe".

And once the kids learn of this, I can imagine the phone calls from
Byron Bay and Nimbin: "Dad, I'm safe; don't worry. But it's illegal to
tell you any more."

A police state for one and all.



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2005-10-25 03:09:15 UTC
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Least we forget...............
This shoot to kill law was passed in England and used with deadly
efficiancy on an unarmed fleeing suspect who responded to his
fight/flight instinct when threatened (a natural response in
humans).Later he turned out to be innocent of those bombings.
Worse still they held him down, had him restrained and gave him
numerous lead injections in the head by shooting a restrained man.
The more laws that a government agency is allowed to break, the less
law abiding that government agency will become. Criminals have more
respect for the laws of a country then these agencies have because they
know they can be punnished by the laws which have been circum navigated
by these government agencies.
FBI Papers Indicate Intelligence Violations
Secret Surveillance Lacked Oversight

By Dan Eggen
Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday, October 24, 2005; A01



The FBI has conducted clandestine surveillance on some U.S. residents
for as long as 18 months at a time without proper paperwork or
oversight, according to previously classified documents to be released
today.

Records turned over as part of a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit
also indicate that the FBI has investigated hundreds of potential
violations related to its use of secret surveillance operations, which
have been stepped up dramatically since the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks but
are largely hidden from public view.

In one case, FBI agents kept an unidentified target under surveillance
for at least five years -- including more than 15 months without
notifying Justice Department lawyers after the subject had moved from
New York to Detroit. An FBI investigation concluded that the delay was
a violation of Justice guidelines and prevented the department "from
exercising its responsibility for oversight and approval of an ongoing
foreign counterintelligence investigation of a U.S. person."

In other cases, agents obtained e-mails after a warrant expired, seized
bank records without proper authority and conducted an improper
"unconsented physical search," according to the documents.

Although heavily censored, the documents provide a rare glimpse into
the world of domestic spying, which is governed by a secret court and
overseen by a presidential board that does not publicize its
deliberations. The records are also emerging as the House and Senate
battle over whether to put new restrictions on the controversial USA
Patriot Act, which made it easier for the government to conduct secret
searches and surveillance but has come under attack from civil
liberties groups.

The records were provided to The Washington Post by the Electronic
Privacy Information Center, an advocacy group that has sued the Justice
Department for records relating to the Patriot Act.

David Sobel, EPIC's general counsel, said the new documents raise
questions about the extent of possible misconduct in
counterintelligence investigations and underscore the need for greater
congressional oversight of clandestine surveillance within the United
States.

"We're seeing what might be the tip of the iceberg at the FBI and
across the intelligence community," Sobel said. "It indicates that the
existing mechanisms do not appear adequate to prevent abuses or to
ensure the public that abuses that are identified are treated seriously
and remedied."

____________________________________________________________________

These government agencies simply end up becoming lawless with the more
power that is given to them once they gain this above the law status.

Violation of the laws of their country become second nature and what
history has shown us time and time again is those that violate human
rights more often then not are usually the lawless government of that
country.



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martus
2005-10-26 05:59:38 UTC
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Cup Day terror push 'contemptuous'


October 26, 2005

THE Federal Government is treating voters and the Parliament with
contempt by introducing its anti-terror legislation on Melbourne Cup
day, shadow attorney-general Nicola Roxon said today.

Speaking on ABC radio today, Ms Roxon said MPs needed more time to
consider the implications of the Bill.

"Really, it's crazy. The Federal Government wants to introduce this
Bill, which has not yet been seen in its final form, on Cup Day and
expects to debate it and vote on it in the House of Representatives on
that day," she said.

"Now, not only is that taking Parliament for granted and treating it
with contempt, but we are actually elected by our communities and I
think it's treating the communities with contempt not to allow proper
debate and scrutiny on this important issue."

Ms Roxon said the demands from state leaders at the last Coalition of
Australian Governments meeting for a five-year review of the laws and a
10-year sunset clause for the whole package of legislation was not
included in the draft legislation.

Federal Court judges had "next to no powers" to control the actions of
police and security agencies under the draft legislation, she said.

New sedition offences had been "poorly drafted" and affected many
people who might engage in non-violent protests against the Government.

"We are calling Mr Howard's bluff. You cannot tell the community that
these protections are there and then not put them in your legislation,
and expect everyone to say that's fine - people have signed off on
it," Ms Roxon said.


__________________________________________________________________________

It is interesting to note that a British poli stated that they have
such wonderful safeguards in there terror laws making them a more
sophisticated piece of legislation and yet had no problems giving an
order to kill a fleeing innocent suspect who by the way was restrained
on the ground and shot in the head.

A government for the people, to shoot the people, who sneaks in and
rushes laws through without consulting its people can only end up in
disaster and still this is happening here and throughout the western
nations in this quest of globalisation.

It seems that when leaders of countries sit together, the overall brain
capacity of the group diminishes by the number of people in that room
till the end result is sheer terror for the populations of their
countries.

Perhaps they should send one of their own death squads to one of these
global meetings. Any of those leaders that run away or looked like they
were about to run away they could shoot, the others they could
electronical collar, isolate them from the general comunity and any
form of communication with it. Then and only then will these terrorist
laws be of any use.

The Antichrist murderous global government is on it's way, believe it.


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martus
2005-10-27 06:40:57 UTC
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COMING TO A FUTURE NEAR YOU============>>>>>>>>



Newsflash............

John Hopeless, leader of the country has been shot dead by the
Department of Elimantion of All Terrorists Here Squad or better else
know as the Death Squad. Spokesmen for the Death Squad Chief Inspector
Nasty has given CBNews footage of Hopeless talking with a known
terrorist, Bin Ugly and when the Death Squad came to question Mr
Hopeless on this matter he tried to escape and was shot in the head. We
are all so privillaged to have these fine upstanding citizens
protecting our country from these terrorists. More breaking news coming
later!




Chief inspect Nasty turns off the TV and turns to his second in charge.


Chief inspect Nasty:

Old Johnny boy was warned that if he would not pass the current list of
torture laws he would be taken out of the way. And to think that he was
going to cut our funding, he should of known by now that we run the
country. Elected officals are only there to give the commoners a sense
of power and also to rubberstamp our reforms through.

I knew that footage of Bin Ugly accidently bumping into Hopless would
come in handy, it certainly pays to keep illegal survelliance on all
these puppets of the people.




Inspector Hate:

Special agent Sleezy said it was an easy kill. Hopeless turned and
headed for the toilet and that's when Sleezy gave Hopleless his lead
injection.

Chuckles.

Trying to escape!

Winks at Chief inspect Nasty.




Chief inspect Nasty:

We still have a problem with morale in our section. Seems some of the
agents don't like breaking the law so make sure those torture laws are
passed by the next leader so they can again feel proud of our unit
again. How can they feel like law abiding citizens and hold their heads
up high until we change the laws so that we can do whatever we feel
like.

We should have more agents like Special Agent Simson. No morals, stops
at nothing to achieve her objective. Throws anybody that gets in her
way into gaol, doesn't loose a wink of sleep because of the people's
lives she has destroyed or have suicided because of her actions.
Whether innocent or guilty makes no difference to her.

Though she is a bit of a drunk and gets pregnate all the time because
she forgets to take the pill to kill the developing life inside her but
she does donate her embro or fetus to science for the embroynic stem
cells, collegene and whatever else that they can use from that human
life. Matter of fact I have some cream made from fetal tissue she has
given me. Makes you feel years younger, what a pillar of society she
is.

So what's happening with that christian group you have bottled up,
electronically tagged and confined to house arrest?

How dare these terrorist say anything about us violating human rights
by murdering, kidnapping and abducting the citizens and locking them up
in solitary confinement. Make sure you get their families as well, I
want this mongrel lot to suffer.

Which reminds me this idiot cut me off and I want you to find him
because he too has become a terrorist suspect.



Inspector Hate:

Should be easy enough, judges will rubberstamp this request, most of
the time they can't even be bothered reading the document, just like
the joke oversight committie. Most of the time they fall asleep when
your talking to them and the rest are too scared of becoming terror
suspects.

As far as that christian group goes, where having a great deal of
entertainment from them at their expense. They can't tell anyone what
we are doing due to no communication to the outside world and arrested
if we find out, can't contact lawers and most are so broke they
couldn't afford them anyway from years of not being allowed to work.

Even when they are allowed to go out for that couple of hours to get
food we have the shopkeepers spitting on them and charging a small
fortune for the little they are able to afford. People will do anything
to please the authorities especially at the threath of being labelled
terror suspects.

Just for some extra entertainment the boys are provoking them and three
or four of them have made a run for it. Tracked them down through their
tags and shot them. Like shooting fish in a barrel.


Don't you hate that.

Grins from ear to ear.



Phone rings and Chief inspect Nasty answers



Chief inspect Nasty:

Chief inspect Nasty here. This better be good!


Lodge Secretary:

The supreme leader of the brotherhood, King Antichrist is coming to the
lodge tonight. Make sure your there or else He will have you removed
from the position that the brotherhood has put you in.


Chief inspect Nasty:

##$%^ ^%^$##$ ***** I am extremely busy killing and numbering the
people of this country, ok I'll be there!!!!!!!!!!



_______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________



Rev 13:6-18 Complete Apostles' Bible (6) Then he opened his mouth in
blasphemy against God, to blaspheme His name, and His dwelling, and
those who dwell in heaven. (7) And it was granted to him to make war
with the saints and to overcome them. And authority was given him over
every tribe, people, language, and nation. (8) And all those who
dwell on the earth shall worship him, whose name is not written in the
Book of Life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. (9)
If anyone has an ear, let him hear. (10) If anyone has captivity, he
goes away; if anyone is with the sword, he must be killed. Here is the
endurance and the faith of the saints. (11) Then I saw another beast
coming up out of the earth, and he had two horns like a lamb and he
spoke like a dragon. (12) And he exercises all the authority of the
first beast before him, and he causes the earth and those who dwell in
it, to worship the first Beast, whose deadly wound was healed. (13)
And he works great signs, so that he even makes fire come down from
heaven on the earth before men. (14) And he deceives my own people
who dwell on the earth by the signs which were given to him to do
before the Beast, saying to those who dwell on the earth to make an
image to the beast who had the wound--and came to life! -from the
sword. (15) And it was granted to him to give breath to the image of
the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak and cause as
many as would not worship the image of the beast to be killed. (16)
And he causes all, small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, that
they should receive marks on their right hand, or on their foreheads,
(17) and that no one may buy or sell except he that has the mark, the
name of the beast, or the number of his name. (18) Here is wisdom.
Let him that has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for
it is the number of man--his number is 666.


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2005-10-28 03:19:14 UTC
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Australian Broadcasting Corporation

TV PROGRAM TRANSCRIPT

LOCATION: http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2005/s1491495.htm

Broadcast: 26/10/2005

AFP under scrutiny for handling of Bali Nine
Reporter: Jonathan Harley


KERRY O'BRIEN: Welcome to the program. For the Australian alleged
heroin smugglers known as the Bali 9, who could face a firing squad
after being arrested and charged on Indonesian soil. It's a blunt
question of life and death. But did it have to be that way? Right from
the start there have been questions about why the Australian Federal
Police, who were tipped off before the bust, didn't wait to arrest them
when they arrived back on home soil. Two of the alleged drug mules have
taken action in Federal Court, claiming the AFP acted illegally in
assisting the Indonesian police, exposing them to the death penalty
they would not have faced if convicted here in Australia. Now, an
explosive letter has emerged from evidence presented in Bali, revealing
the AFP gave Indonesian authorities detailed advanced information of
the plot as well as instructions to "take whatever action was
appropriate". That "action" may well lead to the death penalty for at
least some of the nine if they're found guilty. Jonathan Harley
reports.

JONATHAN HARLEY: From the moment they were arrested and in the case of
those caught at Denpasar airport, unceremoniously undressed, the
spectre of the death penalty has hung over the heads of those now known
as the Bali 9.

REPORTER: Any word from family back home, at the moment, mate?

JONATHAN HARLEY: So, too, questions have hung over the Australian
Federal Police. The most disturbing, whether or not the force knowingly
let the Bali 9 face the prospect of death by firing squad.

JOHN NORTH, LAW COUNCIL OF AUSTRALIA: It was an invitation to arrest
them, charge them and finally, put them in front of a firing squad, if
found guilty.

JONATHAN HARLEY: We've known for some time that the AFP tipped off the
Indonesians, but the precise dimension of that exchange has never been
clear. Now we have a significant chunk of the puzzle. This is official
correspondence between the AFP and its Indonesian counterparts,
tendered as evidence in Bali and obtained by the 7:30 Report. The
letters outline, in meticulous detail, the extent of the Australian
intelligence. The Bali 9 were being watched well before they departed
for their alleged heroin assignment and the AFP was only too willing to
pass on what they knew, and what they fear, to the Indonesians.

JOHN NORTH: They told the Indonesian authorities when, why and where
all of these drugs would be attempted to be imported into Australia and
they told them that they could act as they wished before these people
left Australia.

JONATHAN HARLEY: But just as the letters renew questions about the role
of the AFP in sealing the Bali 9's fate, the spotlight is also drawn on
how the AFP is torn between two objectives.

DR SANDY GORDON, FORMER HEAD OF INTELLIGENCE, AFP: The AFP is under two
contrary pressures. One is to adhere to the spirit of the guidelines
and the other is to interdict heroin coming into this country.

JONATHAN HARLEY: The letters were tendered in court yesterday as part
of the trial of 19-year-old Queenslander Michael Czugaj, one of the
alleged mules. Dated 8 and 12 April, they lay out in detail AFP
intelligence on the Bali 9 and their planned movements. In light of the
events which transpired, the letters read like a prophecy, detailing
how the heroin would be strapped to the mules' bodies, the sorts of
baggy clothing they would wear and fingering Andrew Chan as the main
man. In the first letter, the AFP requests of the Indonesians if there
is suspicion of Chan and/or the mules of taking the drugs at the time
they departed, then the bapak, or the chief, can take whatever action
necessary.

JOHN NORTH: It appears from the tenor of the letter that they told the
Indonesians exactly what was going down in Indonesia and invited them
to take action, again in Indonesia.

DR SANDY GORDON: I think the crucial issue, however, here is whether
they could have arrested these people back here in Australia, even if
they weren't carrying heroin and whether they would have had evidence
to bring the full syndicate to court.

JONATHAN HARLEY: For Police Commissioner Mick Kelty, the man
spearheading a new era of co-operation with Indonesian police in the
wake of the 2002 Bali blasts, the Bali 9 case presents problems that
just won't go away. This morning on Southern Cross Radio Commissioner
Mick Kelty was unapologetic about the AFP's conduct.

MICK KELTY: This is the nature of our business, so we can't apologise
for it. The outcomes are things that we have no control over.

JONATHAN HARLEY: In such cases of police-to-police assistance involving
countries where the death penalty applies, the AFP is guided by this
document which states: "Australia will exercise discretion when
considering requests for mutual assistance." But Law Council president
John North argues the government has an overriding responsibility.

JOHN NORTH: The AFP is an agent of the government. Government policy
does not allow co-operation where the death penalty comes into play.

JONATHAN HARLEY: Once suspects have been charged.

JOHN NORTH: No, at all. Australian policy is not to help from
government to government if they know the death penalty will be
available.

JONATHAN HARLEY: Former head of intelligence at the AFP Dr Sandy Gordon
believes the policy is ambiguous and needs urgent review.

DR SANDY GORDON: Almost any co-operation that we can think about
throughout the Asian region could result in the death penalty. So, the
point that I think the police would make in their defence is here we
can't stop co-operating. There's always the possibility of the death
penalty.

JONATHAN HARLEY: Calls for review, too, from the Federal Opposition.

SENATOR JOE LUDWIG, OPPOSITION JUSTICE SPOKESMAN: And the Australian
Federal Police do need clear guidelines, clear policy, as to how this
law is in fact going to operate and so that they have certainty.

JONATHAN HARLEY: It's still not clear exactly what the AFP would have
preferred the Indonesians to do. In its letter dated 8th April, the AFP
even appears to flag the prospect of the Bali Nine facing court in
Indonesia. Indonesian police are asked to take photographs of any
meetings among the alleged conspirators to use in the court process
here. Since the letters are signed by the senior police liaison officer
in Bali, Paul Huniford, it would appear that "here" refers to
Indonesia.Today, AFP chief commissioner Mick Keelty said the aim of the
AFP is said to identify the entire drugs syndicate.

MICK KEELTY: We also if the letter specified we were trying to identify
the entire syndicate, so right from day one this was an operation where
we were speculating on the events that may occur and no-one knew that
the letter would result in the people picking up heroin straight away.

JONATHAN HARLEY: To that end, it seems the operation may have failed.
Indonesian police missed the crucial moments when the heroin was
allegedly handed over to Andrew Chan. The big fish slipped the net and
these nine otherwise unremarkable suburban Australians are in the hands
of the Indonesian courts.

_____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________


Lets just say that the whole think was a set up, that this so called
"big fish" that gave the heroin to Andrew Chan was an undercover
Indonesian police officer working with the Australian Fedral Police
Officers who were working on this case.

They knew all the details of what the Bali nine were up to and set up a
sting that probably will result in their deaths.

Australian Fedral Commissioner Mick Kelty proudly stood before the
media and stated that they had been doing this type of work before but
it only has come to the media's attention because there were 9 of them.
He had no regrets about the actions done to these people because it is
keeping the heroine off the streets that would affect "YOUR" kids as a
way of justifying the undercover work that is contrary to government
policy which does not allow co-operation where the death penalty
applies.

Not only is the AFP going against government policy but it is also
going against the opinion of almost the total majority of the elected
officials (who are pettioning Singapore offical for clemency against a
death sentence for another Australian) and most of the population of
Australia.



So what did the AFP achieve in all this besides the probable death of
these 9 and numerous others that have been locked up or killed
overseas?


Did they stop the drug trade in Australia?

NO, they Would not of even made a ding in it as they can also
manufacture various drugs in Australia and by current media reports
drug useage is increasing.


Does it send a strong message to others?

No, because addiction is a stronger force then logic and if they don't
want to take the risk personally then they can always find people young
enough and stupid enough to take the risks for them.

Does it save pain and suffering to the Australian citizens?

Those that are going to take drugs will find them elsewhere but for
every person locked up or killed overseas there is say, 30 other
innocent victims you will affect in these actions. 2 or more will be
affected for the rest of their lives, emotionally crippled, who would
of being better able to cope if their child was arrested here and not
locked up or killed overseas.



If that child was an adult child of a member of the AFP task force do
you think that for one second that person would not be warned of the
sting operation and told to stay in the country?

What is clearly shown is that these unelected officals of government
undercover agencies are on their own agendas, apart from the laws of
their country, they are suppose to serve and protect it's people, even
those who break the laws, instead they destroy them for breaking laws
as well as the innocent victims associated with them.


These undercover agencies break more laws then a majority of the
population of that country and make their actions legal by excluding
themselves from that countries laws through scaring politicions into
writting new legislations to exclude themselves.

What worse is that they recruit new people into these agencies to work
undercover who soon become like the criminals they are trying to catch
so that they can fit in eg. druggies and worse adding to the total
problem not subtracting from it at all.

Then they want powers to shoot to kill, abduct, confine to house
arrest, electronic tagging, islolated them from the outside world,
arrest those that don't aid them and gaoling them etc. so that they can
carry out their complete bastardisation of these people to their hearts
content, these agencies that have a contempt for the laws when they are
carring out their duties.

Money would be better spent getting rid of these criminal undercover
agencies and increasing the real police force, increasing border
security, customs, mental health facilities, detox centers, hospitals &
education.


These, lets call them extra special agents, (so as not to insult
special people who use their total brains), should be put back into
society to do honest labour instead of slinking around with puffed up
heads and egos and if they then continue disregarding the laws, then
thrown in gaol.

Plans are underway to build a large prison but it would be better off
housing the ever swelling agencies who are excluding themselves from
the laws of the country. After all, the only people not breaking any
laws are those that have put themselves above it.


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2005-10-31 01:15:31 UTC
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New laws needed 'to avoid UK's mistakes'

(LIKE SHOOTING RESTRAINED INNOCENT SUSPECTS IN THE HEAD?)

Monday Oct 31 09:02 AEST
Australia needs new counter-terrorism laws to ensure it does not make
the same mistakes as Britain and allow a major terrorist attack to
occur, Foreign Minister Alexander Downer says.

(THAT'S RIGHT THEY ALSO WANT TO SHOOT PEOPLE IN THE HEAD!)

He said police and intelligence agencies needed the new powers to
protect Australians and it was the federal government's responsibility
to do everything possible to keep the country safe.

(BY THE GOVERNMENT SHOOTING AND TORMENTING(DETAINING, HOUSE ARREST, NOT
ABLE TO WORK, ISOLATED FROM SOCIETY, STALKED AND PERVERED ON) SUSPECT
TERROR SUSPECTS I AM GOING TO FEEL SAFER? NOT ONLY WILL I HAVE TO FEAR
TERRORIST BUT THE GOVERNMENT IF I PUT A FOOT WRONG AND NOT DO WHAT THEY
WANT ME TO DO, EG NOT ASSOCIATE WITH THOSE WHO THEY CALL TERRORIST OR
TERRORIST ORGANISATION LIKE CHURCHES.I PERSONALLY FELT SAFER BEFORE.)

Prime Minister John Howard is facing an uphill battle getting state and
territory leaders to agree on his new counter-terrorism laws and has
asked his state counterparts to respond to a final draft of the laws by
Monday.

(LAWS THAT WERE RUSHED THROUGH WITHOUT THE AUSTRALIAN PUBLIC EVEN BEEN
AWARE OF THEM HAD NOT ONE STATE LEADER GONE AGAINST HIS PARTY AND
POSTED THEM ON THE INTERNET. WITH THE DISGUST OF THE AUSTRALIAN PUBLIC
THESE LAWS WERE THEN MODIFIED BUT WORSE STILL THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT
ADDED A FEW MORE LAWS WHICH STATE LEADERS HAD NOT AGREED TO AS THIS
"SHOOT TO KILL")

Mr Downer said the premiers and chief ministers should not be making
political points out of the situation.

(NOT POLITICAL POINTS BUT BASIC HUMAN RIGHTS ISSUE, SEEMS THERE IS A
PUSH IN THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO BE ABLE TO KILL IT'S CITIZENS.
KILLING BY PROXYY SEEMS TO BE THE PREFERED METHOD AT THE MOMENT EG
PEOPLE WHO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT KNOWS ARE GOING OVERSEAS TO BUY DRUGS
(THROUGH THEIR SURVELLIANCE) THEY TELL THOSE OVERSEAS COUNTRY
AUTHORITIES WHO SET THEM UP AND KILLED THEM THROUGH THE LAWS OF THOSE
COUNTRIES)
martus
2005-10-31 02:06:20 UTC
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And then along came torture...................


Silence on Suffering
Where are the voices from the Christian community on cruel and
degrading treatment of detainees?
by Gary A. Haugen | posted 10/17/2005 03:15 p.m.



President Bush faces a defining question of morality on which he has
yet to receive any discernible guidance from the faith-based coalition
that helped put him in office. The question: whether it is ever right
for Americans to inflict cruel and degrading treatment on suspected
terrorist detainees.

We read credible reports-some from FBI agents-that prisoners have
been stripped naked, sexually humiliated, chained to the floor, and
left to defecate on themselves. These and other practices like
"waterboarding" (in which a detainee is made to feel as if he is being
drowned) may or may not meet the technical definition of torture, but
no one denies that these practices are cruel, inhuman, and degrading.

Today, the practical application of that question is whether the
President should fight the efforts of a group of Republican senators,
led by John McCain, who has introduced amendments to a defense bill
that would outlaw such abuse. Two weeks ago, the Senate passed the
McCain amendment, but whether it is put into place will be determined
by the conference committee charged with resolving differences between
the Senate and House defense bills.

For the President's base of evangelicals and conservative Catholics, no
practical expediency, however compelling, should determine fundamental
moral issues of marriage, abortion, or bioethics. Instead, these
questions should be resolved with principles of revealed moral
absolutes, granted by a righteous and loving Creator.

Indeed, recent survey results from the Pew Research Center indicated
that, in rating the importance of Supreme Court issues, the treatment
of terrorist detainees is a close second only to abortion on the list
of concerns of evangelical and Catholic voters. Where, then, are the
robust voices of theological reflection and moral reasoning that we
have come to expect in these debates?

I do not know how others would advise the President theologically on
these matters, but as a convinced Christian who has tried for 20 years
to apply principles of evangelical faith to issues of human rights,
here are three principles of a biblical worldview that seem applicable:

· The state has the authority to protect its citizens by detaining
criminals and using force to restrain those who seek to destroy
innocent life.

· All those whom the state detains retain the image of God and are
due a standard of care required by God.

· Because the power of the state over detainees is exercised by
fallen human beings, that power must be limited by clear boundaries,
and individuals exercising such power must be transparently
accountable.

Therefore, even if it is expedient to inflict cruelty and degradation
on a prisoner during interrogation (and experts seem very much divided
on this question), in my view, the moral teachings of Christ, the Torah
and the Prophets do not permit it for those who bear the Imago Dei.

On the face of it, religious leaders from the President's base might
demur by saying, first, the President has already said that torture is
not an option, and, second, these are all technical questions for
lawyers, not ethical questions for theological discourse. To this
latter point, indeed, lawyers and judges will need to argue about what
standards of treatment are required as a matter of domestic and
international law. In the meantime, however, the Commander in Chief
must tell those acting under his authority what standards apply as a
matter of policy today.

Moreover, it will not do to say that the President's policy on the
treatment of detainees already rules out torture because serious
ambiguities still remain-ambiguities that carry heavy moral
implications and that are intended to preserve options that some would
rather not publicly defend.

For instance, while the President may have ruled out torture, the
administration is currently reserving the right to treat some of its
detainees with "cruel, inhuman, and degrading treatment." The U.S.
government is a signatory to an international treaty that bars such
treatment, but the administration has maintained that such standards
only apply to detainees held on U.S. soil. In fact, since April 16,
2002, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld has explicitly authorized
interrogation techniques that constitute cruel, inhuman or degrading
treatment.

The implications have not been theoretical or insignificant. More than
11,000 people are currently in U.S. detention in Afghanistan, Iraq, and
Guantanamo Bay, and 108 detainees have died in U.S. custody in Iraq or
Afghanistan-with the Pentagon indicating that between 28 and 31 of
the deaths are suspected or confirmed criminal homicides. Former
Defense Secretary James Schlesinger's investigative panel acknowledged
that interrogation techniques at Guantanamo Bay went beyond traditional
Army rules and that such techniques "migrated to Afghanistan and Iraq,
where they were neither limited nor safeguarded." According to the
Pentagon's own findings, torture, murder, rape, and "systematic,"
"sadistic, wanton, and blatant abuse" has been perpetrated against U.S.
detainees in Iraq.

Or what about "ghost detainees"? The CIA has been permitted to hold
scores of people in undisclosed locations with no notification to their
families, no access by the International Red Cross, or any other
oversight of their treatment. Credible reports have emerged that such
detainees have suffered torture and even death.
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Since when did Australia loose the ability to govern itself fairly that
we sink to the same levels of poisons as our global mates? Torture and
kidnap it's citizen like the yanks and shoot suspects in the head like
the Brits.

Lucky country my ....!

Nothing better then the good old boys getting their poisons through
into the laws of the use to be free countries so they can support the
antichrist and kill all those who don't bow down to him.

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2005-10-31 22:34:38 UTC
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Hicks abused by US: father
Nov 01 06:56
AAP


Australian David Hicks was sexually abused during two, 10-hour beatings
by US attackers, his father Terry has told the ABC's Four Corners
program.

Hicks has been in US custody since he was captured alongside Taliban
forces in Afghanistan in late 2001, and has spent most of that time at
the Guantanamo Bay military prison in Cuba.

He has pleaded not guilty to charges of conspiracy, attempted murder
and aiding the enemy.

His trial begins on November 18 before a military commission.

Hicks' lawyers and family have raised abuse allegations before but the
Australian government has said there was no evidence to support the
claims.

Four Corners on Monday night reported that soon after being captured by
the United States, Hicks was held on the warship USS Peleliu in the
Arabian Sea.

Hicks told Englishman Martin Mubanga, a former Guantanamo Bay detainee,
he had been taken from the ship by helicopter to an unidentified place,
thought to be Pakistan or Afghanistan.

The United States has been accused of using the practice of rendition
with Guantanamo Bay detainees, where it takes prisoners to another
country to be tortured rather than doing it on US soil.

Mr Mubanga told Four Corners Hicks had been taken from the Peleliu and
then beaten, spat at, abused and assaulted.

"(His attackers yelled) things like 'you Aussie kangaroo' and things
like that, yeah, while they were beating and spitting on him and things
like that, so he was called a traitor," he said.

"And then basically they brought him back, blindfolded, so he never saw
his attackers or his abusers basically."

Hicks' father, Terry, confirmed that the abuse had involved sexually
embarrassing things and that they involved Americans.

"He had two, 10-hour beatings from the Americans and I said to David,
'Sure they were Americans?' (because) he said he had a bag over his
head and he said, 'Oh look ... I know their accents, they were
definitely American'," Mr Hicks told Four Corners.

"Some pretty horrific things ... were done to him."

The program reported the abuse had included Hicks being injected and
then penetrated anally with various objects.

Hicks' lawyers say they have witnesses relating to the abuse and that
the United States has photographic evidence.

His American lawyer, Major Michael Mori, would not comment on the
specifics of what information he had.

"I'd say it's an area that I'm investigating and that I've already
found some evidence and witnesses that support that occurring," he told
Four Corners.

Former Australian Guantanamo Bay detainee, Mamdouh Habib, who was
released earlier this year, has also claimed that he was abused while
on foreign soil.

In February, Mr Habib detailed how he was tortured in a military
airport in Pakistan.

During a particular episode of abuse, Mr Habib said 15 men stripped
him, inserted something into his anus, put him in a nappy and tied him
up.
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That's what Australia has to look forward to by legalising terror laws
that allow it's people to be kidnapped by covert agencies who hold it's
suspects in limbo and do what ever they feel like to them. Bet the
yanks have a lot of so called safe guards in their terrorist laws too,
to bad their not worried about them too much now adays since these laws
are in place and confidently feel free to probe any part of a suspects
body all in the name of terrorism.

And the Australian agencies drool at the mouth in anticipation of their
new powers as so many of the politicans scurry behind their skirts and
saying "save us from terrorist", you can do anything you like. AND THEY
DID!



"The United States has been accused of using the practice of rendition
with Guantanamo Bay detainees, where it takes prisoners to another
country to be tortured rather than doing it on US soil."

Australian spooks have been doing this for a while now, to those they
know are going overseas to buy drugs and bring them back. They alert
these foreign governments which they know will impose the death
sentence on these young and stupid people conned into going by
professional criminals. Australia does not support the death penality
but these agencies do, and have them killed by foreign governments and
currently are pushing for this shoot to kill so that they can in good
conscious shoot their own people.

They already abuse the exclusions to the laws of the country that they
already have and the government wants to allow more exclusions!

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2005-11-02 03:54:27 UTC
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Attack being planned in Australia: PM
Wednesday Nov 2 13:30 AEST
Australian intelligence authorities have received specific information
about a terrorist threat in Australia, Prime Minister John Howard says.

Mr Howard refused to give details of the threat, saying the Australian
public would never forgive him if he wrecked any police operation to
stop it.

Australia's general terrorism threat level will remain unchanged,
despite the information.


But Mr Howard will rush an urgent amendment to anti-terrorism laws into
parliament which he says will strengthen the capacity of law
enforcement agencies to protect Australians.

"The government has received specific intelligence and police
information this week which gives cause for serious concern about a
potential terrorist threat," he told reporters in Canberra.

"We have seen material. It is a cause of concern.

"We have been given advice that if this amendment is enacted as soon as
possible the capacity of the authorities to respond will be
strengthened.

"And I am satisfied on what I have been told, and the government and
the national security ministers in cabinet are satisfied, that that is
the case but I do not intend and cannot and will not go into any of the
operational details."

All state premiers and the federal opposition have agreed to support
the changes, which will be rushed through parliament on Wednesday night
and Thursday in a special Senate sitting.

Mr Howard said he understood that people would be frustrated that he
could not reveal any details, including which city might be targeted.

But he said he was damned if he did and damned if he didn't.

"If you go into a lot of detail and you wreck the operation, the
Australian public will not forgive you," he said.

"In those situations, I have no alternative but to say to my fellow
Australians we have received information, we have been told by the
authorities that their capacity to deal with it will be strengthened by
this change to the law.

"I'm asking the Australian public and the Australian parliament to
accept that we are acting in a bona fide way to do the right thing by
the country."

Mr Howard said if he went into any more detail, he might weaken the
capacity of authorities to respond.

Opposition Leader Kim Beazley, who was extensively briefed on the
threat, said Labor was prepared to pass the amendment on Wednesday
night if necessary.

Mr Beazley said the information he had been given was highly specific
and detailed, but refused to go into details.

"The prime minister describes it as urgent, because of the intelligence
that has been presented to him," he told reporters.

The amendment to the Anti-Terrorism Bill will replace the word "the"
with "a" in the definition of a terrorism offence, to clarify that it
is not necessary to identify a particular terrorist act.

Instead, it will be enough for the prosecution to prove that the
particular conduct was related to "a" terrorist act.

Attorney-General Philip Ruddock will introduce the amendment after
Question Time on Wednesday afternoon.

Mr Howard said he had not yet received any information that would
require a change in the general terror threat level for Australia.
__________________________________________________________________________________________________

So a terrorist act has been planned that requires immediate passing of
the new terrorist laws.

Yet Mr Howard said he had not yet received any information that would
require a change in the general terror threat level for Australia.

And perhaps "a" terrorist act would be no more then informing on the
criminal activities of government secret agencies and requires the
arrest and silencing those of the media and even their own associates
who spilled the beans on those activities when persons and or property
are destroyed in those activities.


"Spy goes to the pub and overhears a drunk telling his mate that his
going to blow up parliment because of his low wages. Spy goes ah, this
seems like a credible terror act, need to get laws passed so these
terrorist can be locked up. Laws passed, drunk thrown into gaol for 10
years for speaking trash. Australia has once again made safe from
terrorists"




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2005-11-02 04:16:34 UTC
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Anti-terrorism laws threaten ASIO bungle reporting, lawyer says
A Sydney lawyer whose clients have just received compensation from the
Federal Government over a bungled counter-terrorism raid, says
journalists may not be able to report on similar cases that happen in
the future.

ASIO and the Federal Government have agreed to compensate Bilal Daye
and his wife over a mistaken raid on their home four years ago.

Their lawyer Stephen Hopper says if the case had gone to court after
the passage of the Federal Government's proposed counter-terrorism
laws, it could be illegal for journalists to report on it.

"If the new laws were brought in and it was an issue of preventative
detention no probably not, no," he said

"If it's an issue of an ASIO warrant, under section 34d of the ASIO
Act, no, you wouldn't and the Government's got to be scrutinised for
all of its actions and if they make a mistake they should be held
accountable," he said.
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So much for human rights and transparency in government undercover law
enforcement offices.

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Farewell to freedom
October 13, 2005

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Anti-terrorist laws are undermining the foundations of our democracy,
writes Alastair Nicholson.

Our liberties and our democracy are under a more serious threat than
that posed by terrorists as a direct result of the reaction of our
leaders, the media and, in turn, the public, to that threat.

We have experienced a complete failure of political leadership on both
sides of politics that has led to a lemming-like rush by the two major
political parties to outdo each other in proposing more and more
extreme legislation directed at combating a threat of terrorism in this
country.

In the name of security, in circumstances reminiscent of the works of
Joseph Heller and George Orwell, the public is prevented from knowing
the evidentiary basis that justifies such powers. This is the case with
new legislation and also, as US activist Scott Parkin discovered, where
the powers are applied to an individual.

Absent the death penalty and the official approval of torture, loss of
individual liberty is the most extreme sanction that can be inflicted
by the state on our autonomy and integrity. Historically, our legal
systems and institutions reflected this fact and the concept of the
"liberty of the subject" is one of the cherished doctrines of the
common law. Indeed, the capricious use of detention often lay at the
heart of popular portrayals of totalitarian regimes in
contradistinction to ours. Now, in a society where democratic virtues
are hailed as the foundation of our personal freedoms, we seem to have
come to accept the legitimacy of the extended use of incarceration, one
that could have perilous, ever-increasing application.

I do not for a moment suggest that we do not need ASIO or other
intelligence-gathering organisations, nor do I suggest that they should
not be properly empowered to carry out their functions. The important
question is what is a proper empowerment. It is simply not good enough
for the Government to assert the need for a power without justifying it
as the Federal Government and the Premiers seek to do.

The present powers conferred on ASIO are extensive and represent a
considerable invasion of civil liberties. The fact that they have
apparently been exercised sparingly to date, while commendable, is no
answer. The fact is that police powers of this type are always open to
the possibility of abuse.

The first problem about this sort of legislation is to identify what
factors are said to lead to a need for it. In relation to the new
provisions, as was the case with the existing legislation, we are not
told what these factors are. All that we are told is that the
Government and, subsequently, the Leader of the Opposition and all of
the state and territory premiers, became convinced of the need for it
following briefings by ASIO and the Australian Federal Police. With
nothing more, the public is simply expected to have blind faith and
trust in political leaders having been persuaded by the secret
information to which they are privy but we are not.

The checks and balances that it is suggested should be included are
laughable. The present ASIO legislation in relation to terrorism had a
sunset clause of three years and yet the premiers apparently regarded
it as something of a victory that they obtained agreement to a 10-year
sunset clause in relation to the new legislation.

The provision for judicial review is no more than window-dressing. It
is a meaningless safeguard because the judge or magistrate concerned
has no way of testing what is produced by the authorities. Any judge
who has had experience of authorising telephone tapping or the use of
listening devices can testify that this is no safeguard and that the
judge is little more than a rubber stamp.

It is for this reason that most federal judges now refuse to have any
part in authorising such applications. The proposed legislation will
provide nothing better and the provision for judicial review is
included largely to create a false impression of due process.

The second problem about this sort of legislation is that it is likely
to lead to a situation where Government and its agencies will use it
for other and improper purposes, including its own political ends.
Alternatively, those responsible for its administration will bungle its
use in such a way that it will have the effect of blighting people's
lives in the same way as the Department of Immigration has done to many
of the asylum seekers under its charge.

Contrary to the misnomer "the war on terror", this is not a war and the
threat to Australia is much less than it was in the Second World War or
even the Cold War. Nevertheless, the history of the surrender of
liberties in times of war is not an attractive one. In Australia during
the Second World War, extensive powers were granted to the
attorney-general to detain and intern people suspected of affinities
with the enemy. Most of the exercise of such powers later proved to be
unnecessary.

Let there be no mistake: the Islamic community do feel targeted by this
legislation and do so with justification. I have spoken to Muslim
people who have expressed fear and a feeling of alienation from what
they had come to believe was their country. Such fear and alienation
provides fertile ground for those who would seek to foster terrorism in
this country.

There has been a failure of leadership on all sides of politics in
relation to these changes and this has been coupled with a failure by
ordinary members of Parliament generally to discharge their
responsibilities to the Australian people.

The Government under the leadership of this Prime Minister has embodied
a true neo-conservative approach to Government modelled on the worst
possible examples of this approach in the US. But the Opposition is not
without blame in this saga and bears much of the responsibility for the
introduction of the destructive immigration policy that this country
has pursued since the early 1990s. Nevertheless, this Government has
pursued it with messianic vigour to the point where many thinking
Australians, myself included, have felt ashamed of their country.

However, nothing could have prepared me for the role of the Opposition
in relation to the issue of national security legislation as it has
demonstrated in the past few weeks. In this area Kim Beazley is now
performing the same spineless role as he did with asylum seekers. The
Howard Government's fear agenda has been allowed to flourish as the
Labor Party has sat back like the little kid at school who gets sand
kicked in his face and who is too frightened to upset the big boys.

The Labor Party I know would have fought tooth and nail against
Australians' involvement in Iraq without UN sanctions. They would have
protected Australia from terrorism by simply not being party to an
illegal war. Their voices would have been loud and would have clearly
defined what they stood for. The Labor Party I know would have
countered Howard's fear agenda with one of peace.

This climate of fear is Howard's creation and instead of counteracting
it with an alternative, forceful, intelligent debate, the Labor Party
blindly accepts it and helps promote it.

The reality is that we have witnessed a complete and abject failure by
Australia's politicians to provide much-needed leadership to this
country and they have sacrificed our freedoms in the process.

Driven by fear and the need to act, we run the risk of a series of
overreactions in our response to terrorism. This is the very dynamic
that terrorists rely upon. What they cannot achieve by military might,
they seek to achieve by stimulating our fears. Indeed, it is by our own
actions that we are likely to isolate and ostracise members of our
community who might then become targets for terrorist recruitment. It
is also by our own actions that we travel further from our ideal of
what a democratic and open society based upon the rule of law should
be.

Alastair Nicholson, QC, is an honorary professorial fellow in the
criminology department at Melbourne University and former chief justice
of the Family Court. This is part of a speech he delivered last night
at the annual meeting of ReprieveAustralia in Melbourne.
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2005-11-03 03:25:41 UTC
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Terrorists may been tipped-off: ALP
From: AAP
November 03, 2005

THE Prime Minister may have warned off would-be terrorists and
compromised investigations after yesterday's terror warning, Labor
said.

Prime Minister John Howard yesterday warned of a potential terror
threat to Australia and with Labor support, rushed an amendment to the
crime act through the House of Representatives.
Labor offered to push the change through the Senate last night ahead of
today's special sitting of the upper house to deal with the move.

Independent MP Peter Andren warned the amendment was a smokescreen to
deflect controversy over the Government's workplace relations
legislation introduced yesterday.

Labor legal affairs spokeswoman Nicola Roxon said the amount of media
attention given to the terror warning could have impacted on
operational matters.

?The steps do raise a question whether or not operational matters have
been compromised,? she said.



?We hope that they haven't and I guess it's just an example of where we
have made an offer to work with the Government in the national interest
that they haven't picked up.?
Opposition treasury spokesman Wayne Swan said there were enough
senators in Canberra last night to get the job done.

?Look I can understand the scepticism in the community about this
matter given the Prime Minister's particular record but the fact is a
threat has been advised to senior politicians in both parties and we
have no other choice but to stand up for the national interest,? he
said.

?But we are somewhat puzzled as to why the Prime Minister didn't take
up our offer to immediately pass it through both houses of parliament.
Why the delay??

Liberal backbencher Malcolm Turnbull said he understood the decision
was a logistical one and the view had been that all senators should
have a chance to vote on the change.

?When you think about it, that makes sense,? he said.

?It's a difference of 12 hours.?

Labor backbencher Graham Edwards said he was not sceptical about the
terror warning, but the timing.

?I understand that they have known for some 18 months that that
legislation required amendment and if it is the case that he (Mr
Howard) is using legislation that is required to secure Australia to
enable him to slide relief over the obnoxious industrial relations
legislation, then I think it's an appalling thing to do.?

Mr Andren told Parliament yesterday the changes were designed simply to
lock in support for the Government's other controversial anti-terror
plans
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There we go, terrorist law amended, terrorist threat gone, now anybody
can be labelled a terrorist even if they have not carried out a
terrorist act but say and act like they might.


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2005-11-03 03:36:23 UTC
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Nov. 2, 2005 - The CIA has operated a secret prison system where more
than 100 terror suspects have been locked up since Sept. 11.

The so-called "black sites" - which were so covert that only a
handful of government officials even knew about them until today -
operated over the past four years in eight different countries,
including Thailand, Afghanistan and several Eastern European states,
according to a story first reported today in the Washington Post.


Sources say some of the prisoners include Abu Zabaida, who was the head
of Osama bin Laden's operations network, and Ramzi Binalshibh, a key
planner in the 9/11 attacks. Both men were captured in Pakistan and
taken to a black site in Thailand, then later moved to another
location.


What Happens in Secret Prisons?

What troubles many in the international community is the lack of
oversight of interrogation techniques used at these secret lockups.

A recent Amnesty International report tells of two Yemeni prisoners
held in a secret U.S. detention facility who say they were kept in an
underground cell with Western music piped in 24 hours a day for well
over a year, and interrogated daily by U.S. guards who were fully
covered "like ninjas."

"The one overriding reason for such a facility is to torture those in
detention," said Mark Garlasco of Human Rights Watch. "So that they are
away from any prying eyes from the public and from the media."

The White House today denied that the CIA engages in torture.

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"And then basically they brought him back, blindfolded, so he never saw

his attackers or his abusers basically."


Hicks' father, Terry, confirmed that the abuse had involved sexually
embarrassing things and that they involved Americans.


"He had two, 10-hour beatings from the Americans and I said to David,
'Sure they were Americans?' (because) he said he had a bag over his
head and he said, 'Oh look ... I know their accents, they were
definitely American'," Mr Hicks told Four Corners.


"Some pretty horrific things ... were done to him."


The program reported the abuse had included Hicks being injected and
then penetrated anally with various objects.

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Hicks' lawyers say they have witnesses relating to the abuse and that
the United States has photographic evidence.
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2005-11-07 23:17:33 UTC
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First fatality as French riots escalate
Tuesday Nov 8 05:56 AEST
Rioters shot and wounded police and torched 1,400 vehicles in the worst
violence since unrest erupted in France's poor suburbs 11 days ago, and
a man beaten by a youth became the first fatality.

France's worst violence in decades defied a vow by President Jacques
Chirac to defeat the troublemakers and has grown worse daily since
erupting in a Paris suburb on October 27, prompting warnings it could
hit investment and tourism in France.

One of France's largest Muslim organisations, reacting to official
suggestions that Islamist militants might be orchestrating some of the
protests, issued a fatwa against the unrest, but violence reached new
levels overnight.


Two policemen were seriously hurt by pellets shot into their neck and
legs.

"This is real, serious violence. It's not like the previous nights. I
am very concerned because this is mounting," said Bernard Franio, head
of police for the Essonne area south of Paris, after about 200 youths
attacked his colleagues in Grigny.

A policeman at the scene held up a shotgun cartridge for cameras.

Rioters fired live rounds at police and fire crews on Wednesday night,
but no injuries were reported.

"There were burnt cars all over the place and helicopters circling
overhead," said Yvonne Roland, who has lived in Grigny for 25 years.

"Burning cars make a big impression, the flames were really high. It
made you feel like you were in a war zone."

Hospital officials and an Interior Ministry spokesman said Jean-Jacques
Le Chenadec had died after being beaten in another riot-hit suburb on
Friday.

The newspaper Le Parisien said the victim was 60 and had been in a coma
since being attacked by a youth outside his home in the suburb of
Stains.

The government has struggled to formulate a response that could halt
the riots, sparked by frustration among ethnic minorities over racism,
unemployment and harsh treatment by police.

The police union Action Police CFTC urged the government to impose a
curfew on the riot-hit areas and call in the army to control the
youths, many of whom are French-born citizens of Arab or African origin
complaining of racism.

The violence began with the accidental electrocution of two youths
fleeing police outside Paris and has spread to other towns and cities.

"Nothing seems to be able to stop the civil war that spreads a bit more
every day across the whole country," the CFTC said in a statement.

"The events we're living through now are without precedent since the
end of the Second World War."

The head of the employers' group expressed concern about the impact the
unrest could have on tourism and investment in France, where sluggish
growth is stifling job creation.

"France's image has been deeply damaged," Laurence Parisot told Europe
1 radio.

Australia, Britain, Canada, Russia and the United States have all urged
their citizens to be careful in areas affected by the riots.

Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy's tough line has been widely
criticised.

But Chirac's demand that order be restored before any other measures
are taken appeared to endorse his minister, who visited the injured
policemen in hospital.
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Harsh laws brings harsh reprisals by those who are forced to endure
them till eventually the country is at war with it's self which is
shown over and over again in history. The cost in human lives,
property, economy and misery is huge and could of been averted with a
milder approach and constructive thought as to how to improve the
conditions for those people instead of terrorising them with laws which
works only for a while till these people organise themselves into
groups and fight back.

And what was the reason for these terrorist groups forming?

Harsh laws from the government administered by imperfect sinful people
with their own agenda's.

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2005-11-09 07:16:52 UTC
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Australia plans law to gag parents in child terror cases

SYDNEY (AFP) - Proposed legislation in Australia would make it a crime
for one parent to tell the other that their child had been detained
under anti-terror laws, a report says.

If a youth aged between 16 and 18 was detained, one parent would be
informed and allowed to visit for two hours daily during the detention,
which could last for two weeks without charge, the Sydney Morning
Herald reported.

But if the chosen parent was the father, for example, and he told the
mother where the child was, he could be jailed for up to five years.

The opposition Labor Party's spokesman for homeland security, Arch
Bevis, scorned the proposal.

"The idea that one parent could see their child and then somehow be
fined or imprisoned for telling the other parent is absurd."

Using Prime Minister John Howard and his wife Janette as an example,
Bevis said: "I suspect Janette would be pretty demanding of John to
find out where the kids were. And I'd hazard a guess that John might
even buckle under the pressure."

Howard's government proposed the tough new legislation in the wake of
the London transport bombings of July 7 which killed more than 50
people.

The laws, which include giving police the right to "shoot to kill" and
allow for terror suspects to have their movements and contacts
restricted, are due to be introduced to parliament on October 31.

A spokesman for Attorney-General Philip Ruddock confirmed that parents
would not be exempt from a general ban on disclosing information about
anyone detained under the new legislation.

"There would only be one parent allowed to see the minor," the
spokesman told the newspaper.

"While the subject of a preventive detention could tell the other
parent they were safe, they couldn't tell them they were in preventive
detention."

Police would have the discretion to tell the other parent if it was
assessed that there was no risk, he said.

Copyright © 2005 Agence France Presse. All rights reserved.


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Part 2


Chief inspect Nasty return to work the next day supporting a huge grog
related headache after being at the lodge and personally meeting the
antichrist the night before. He takes a detour and visits Mr Mean
before going to his own office.


Chief inspect Nasty:

What a night! Anything and everything you could possible drink or eat
was set out for us. Anybody who was anybody at the Lodge was there
for the Antichrist's speech.


Inspector Hate:

Anything interesting in A.C.'s speech?


Chief inspect Nasty:

Seems the Brotherhood are seeded through out the democratic world, in
all the corridors of power, and the final push to put the AC as King of
the world is coming up. He wants us to throw our support behind him and
get rid of any opposition to him to becoming the voice of the nations,
the messiah and the defender of all faiths.

Given the constant opposition to the torture laws by Mister Civil
Rights he seem a prime target as his standing in the way of those laws
been passsed and limiting our ability to convince others to support
him. I envy the Yanks with their torture laws and when we get them here
it won't take us long to silence all oposition.

Who would believe that in the space of 7 years law reforms can go from
protecting the individual to shooting them in the head. But killing can
only go so far with them and we still need their support which is why I
want those torture laws passed so I can have my way with them.

Convince them that it will only be used on the Muslims who trained in
the terrorist camps overseas, to extract informatiom about plots and so
protect the public from terrorism. Once the laws are in place we can
use it on them to support the AC, lately the majority of them have been
so compliant that even the slightest snarl from us get them on their
backs wimpering like one of those mop dogs. I guess that what happens
when you have power and I want more of it!

The thought of having somebody completely at his mercy makes Nasty
drool, and he has to Wipe the drool off his face.


Inspector Hate:

Our survelliance seems to indicated that Mister Right is going overseas
to Indonesia next week for a bleeding hearts convention. Such an avid
surfer hippy should have some dope to go with him.

What do you think?



Chief inspect Nasty:

Smiles.

Been working a treat for many years now, make sure you put it into some
place easy to find such as his surf bag so the authorities in Indonesia
don't miss it like they have a couple times before. Better still inform
them that his father is in prison for drug charges, nobody in Australia
will care or believe him that he was set up once they learn this
information.

Especially the Indonesians!

Image is everything so makes sure you act suprised and shocked because
we still don't have complete control over the public.


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Backup and Supporting Facts about Prince Charles


Just remember that Osama Bin Ladin is really Osama Bin London. He is
the paymaster for the terrorists working for MI-6 and the CIA, in the
Mid East, West Asia, and Africa, nothing more.

The parallels are amazing with all the instant replays that no one
remembers. Like how Russia was Hitler's ally at the start of WWII. Just
like now Russia is Bush's ally at the start of WWIII. Hitler's Thule
satanist society of Germany is the same as Bush's Skull & Bones
satanists society of America. How much General Patton hated having to
have to wait for the Russians to get the glory of taking Berlin. How
the Russians beat the Americans to Kosovo airport. And how the Russians
whisked away and moved out Sadam in advance of the US forces.

It is helpful to view from the top of this Satanic Antichrist pyramid
structure. This gives a better overall view that explains many
mysteries of iniquity from the top perspective. When you go to the top
of the Antichrist structure and scheme of things, you have to look at
the prince himself. Otherwise you always have major pieces of the
puzzle missing. Knowing the identity of the antichrist causes many
mysteries to be clarified.

"And the dragon gave him his power and his seat and great authority."
The dragon is "symbolic" to others, but not to Prince Charles. He has a
red dragon on his coat of arms. It comes from the flag of Wales, and it
is in this title, Prince of Wales, that Charles is heir-apparent to the
throne of Great Britain. At his coronation (investiture as Prince of
Wales) in 1969, he sat on a chair with a large red dragon emblazoned on
it. During the ceremony, his mother Queen Elizabeth II said, "This
dragon gives you your power, your throne, and your own authority." His
response to her was, "I am now your Liege-man, and worthy of your
earthly worship." Liege is an old English word meaning "Lord". "I am
now your Lord-man, and worthy of your earthly worship."

Another reference to the red dragon is in Revelations 12:3 And there
appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon,
having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
Prince Charles is the ONLY person in the world to whom "And the dragon
gave him his power and his seat and great authority" can literally be
applied to!

Take a close look at that Coat of Arms. Can you find those 10 lions and
7 CROWNS?

The chain on the unicorn is loose, all previous coats of arms show it
attached. 2 Th 2:6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be
revealed in his time. Psa 2:2-3 The kings of the earth set themselves,
and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his
anointed, saying, Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their
cords from us.

Inner motto reads "Evil on him who thinks evil". Lower motto reads "I
serve", "Service is something that you give to people, particularly if
they want you to - but sometimes if they don't"

Another symbol on Prince Charles' Coat of Arms is that of The Order of
the Garter. The Order of the Garter is the parent organization over
Free Masonry, worldwide. When a man becomes a 33rd Degree Mason, he
swears allegiance to that organization, and thereby to Prince Charles.
According to "The 'Morals and Dogma' of the Ancient and Accepted Rite
of Freemasonry" written by Albert Pike (Grand Commander, Sovereign
Pontiff of Universal Freemasonry, July 14, 1889) Lucifer is the GOD of
Freemasonry (see page 321 of the 1942 edition). On page 819 you will
find just one example of why there are many people in Freemasonry who
believe that it is natural to be a Christian and a Mason. Masonry
intentionally misleads the low degree initiates and hides the truth
that the god of Freemasonry is Lucifer, except to those in the 30th and
higher degrees. "The Blue Degrees are but the outer court or portico of
the Temple. Part of the symbols are on display there to the Initiate,
but he is intentionally misled by false interpretations. It is not
intended that he shall understand them; but it is intended that he
shall imagine he understands them." Further proof of Lucifer
worshipping amongst Freemason can be seen in how they measure the year.
For instance the year 1998 (up until September) is according to
freemasonry the year 5997 AL (that is 5997 anno Lucifer).

On March 6th, 1996 on CNN, Prince Charles showed the world that he and
his two sons William and Harry, had been the first people to be
voluntarily implanted with a microchip (traceable 666 biochip) in their
right hands, allegedly for security purposes.

On June 26th 1994, Charles announced that when he becomes king he will
relinquish the monarch's role as head of the Church of England. He said
he would rather be seen as "defender of faith", or "defender of the
faiths," rather than "defender of THE faith." This subtle difference
that results from removing the THE from his title excapes most people.
His new title without the THE means that he will protect all other
faiths from THE Faith. The prince went on to say. "I happen to believe
that the Catholic subjects of the sovereign are as important [as the
Protestants], not to mention the Islamic, Hindu and Zoroastrian," he
told the independent Television network. There are currently at least
two biographies available on Charles that describe his desire to unite
all the world's religions 'in order for peace' (see Daniel 11:37).

Various reports have appeared in London and Arab newspapers over the
last few years, claiming that Charles has converted to Islam. This
supposedly took place when he met with the mufti of Cyprus Shaykh Nazim
Adil (in 1993). Now while there's no actual evidence to prove that he
has converted to Islam, there is no evidence to prove that he hasn't.
In fact his lecture delivered in February 1994 at Oxford extolling the
virtues of Islam, his frequent visits to Islamic holy places, his
dedication of a South London mosque, outfitted in traditional Sunnah
attire; and his 1993 trip to see the Quran of Sayiddina `Uthman (in
Tashkent, Uzbekistan) with Shaykh Hisham Kabbani, only lend credence to
the claim. Of course, this is just the sort of tactic to expect from
the antichrist. That is to say, if he were to openly come out and say
that he had converted to Islam, this would make many Jews wary of him.
Whereas, if he were to spread rumors that he was a Muslim and not
publicly deny them, then he could get Muslims on side whilst not
alienating Jews.

On June 2nd 1953, with the knights of the garter carrying and holding
the canopy over her head, Elizabeth II was anointed and crowned as
"Queen of thy people Israel". Both Prince Charles and his mother
believe that the throne upon which the queen was crowned, the famous
coronation chair at Westminster Abbey in London, is the rightful throne
of King David. One of the reasons for this is because up until recently
it contained a 336 pound stone known as Jacob's Pillar (also referred
to as Jacob's head-rest, the stone of Scone, or the stone of destiny).
For more information on the significance of this stone see Genesis
28:18. In 1296, Edward I stole the stone and took it to England, where
it was placed in Westminster Abbey, and used since 1308 for English
coronations. On St Andrews Day, 30th November 1996, on Queen
Elizabeth's orders, the stone was taken back to Scotland and installed
in Edinburgh Castle. Many people believe that this stone will be used
to crown the antichrist (posing as the messiah). (See also Ezekiel
21:27, Genesis 49:10, Daniel 9:24, and Ezekiel 37:22).

Many blasphemous European royalty including Prince Charles and Queen
Elizabeth II claim to be of the Blood line of Jesus Christ and Mary
Magdalene. According to the lie, Jesus didn't die on the cross and rise
from the dead. Instead they claim he married Mary Magdalene and
fathered a number of children. This bloodline is referred to as the
"Holy Grail", with those possessing it believing themselves the
rightful heirs to the throne of Jerusalem. They believe that a new king
of "the holy seed of David" will preside over the "Masonic kingdom" of
Israel and the world. Prince Charles' link to the non-existent
bloodline of Christ is through the Merovingian Kings of France. He is
allegedly descended from the Merovingian Hildegarde. Princess Diana's
Bloodline can also be traced back to the Merovingians. This is why
Prince Philip selected her.

His World Business Forum comprises 200 of the world's top corporate
leaders and consolidates 26% of the world's wealth. Charles is
literally able to steer the environmental ethics & business agendas of
the world's most powerful multinational companies. The holdings of the
House of Windsor constitute enormous wealth including the
Archer-Daniel's-Midland company (they are stockholders with controlling
interest) which controls 75% of the world's grain. In times of famine,
the royal family will literally be able to control who eats and who
starves.

Prince Charles considers himself to be psychic and believes in guidance
from the spirit realm. The Queen (also involved in spiritism) and
Prince Philip both believe that Charles, "is the Chosen One - placed in
line for the throne through a divine, preordained plan."

In the early 1990's representatives of Israel and the Palestinians were
invited to a secret meeting in London, during which it was decided to
try secret negotiations in Oslo, Norway. The Israelis were represented
by Yitzchak Rabin, and the Palestinians were represented by King
Hussein of Jordan (both 33rd degree masons). The third party at that
meeting was Lord Victor Mischcon (also a 33rd degree mason), and
personal attorney for Prince Charles.

Prince Charles attended the funeral of Yitzchak Rabin. Within two hours
after the funeral, according to the Jerusalem Post, Prince Charles was
in Prime Minister Shimon Peres' office "insisting" that he attend a
meeting at the Orient House, (in the Palestinian sector of Jerusalem),
to begin negotiations to give back the Golan Heights to Syria.

To truly understand Charles, it is important to understand his father,
Prince Philip. Philip is a eugenicist who wants reduce the population
of this planet from a current level of about 6 billions persons, to
much less than 1 billion within the next two generations. To quote
Prince Philip "In the event that I am reincarnated, I would like to
return as a deadly virus, in order to contribute something to solve
overpopulation."

Prince Charles may seem like a wimp, however he is quite athletic, an
expert horseman, a qualified jet fighter pilot in the Royal Air Force,
a qualified helicopter pilot in the Royal Navy, and a senior military
officer in all three branches of armed services.

No one else on Earth has the religious, political, financial,
historic,and other ties that Charles has!

Prince Charles media exposure has exceeded that of any other man in
history.

Still not convinced, then read 2Thessalonians 2:9-12 Even him, whose
coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying
wonders, And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that
perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they
might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion,
that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who
believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.



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2005-11-05 07:00:54 UTC
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COMING TO A FUTURE NEAR YOU============>>>>>>>>


Newsflash............


John Hopeless, leader of the country has been shot dead by the
Department of Elimination of All Terrorists Here Squad or better else
know as the Death Squad.

Spokesmen for the Death Squad Chief Inspector Nasty has given CBNews
footage of Hopeless talking with a known terrorist, Bin Ugly, and when
the Death Squad came to question Mr Hopeless on this matter he tried to
escape and was shot in the head. We
are all so privillaged to have these fine upstanding citizens of DEATH
Squad protecting our country from these terrorists and their
associates.

More breaking news coming later!


Chief inspect Nasty turns off the TV and turns to his second in charge.



Chief inspect Nasty:


Old Johnny boy was warned that if he would not pass the current list of

torture laws he would be taken out of the way. And to think that he was

going to cut our funding, he should of known by now that we run the
country. Elected officals are only there to give the commoners a sense
of power and also to rubberstamp our reforms through.

I knew that footage of Bin Ugly accidently bumping into Hopless would
come in handy, it certainly pays to keep illegal survelliance on all
these puppets of the people.


Inspector Hate:

Special agent Sleezy said it was an easy kill. Hopeless turned and
headed for the toilet and that's when Sleezy gave Hopleless his lead
injection.

Chuckles.

Trying to escape!

Winks at Chief inspect Nasty.


Chief inspect Nasty:


We still have a problem with morale in our section. Seems some of the
agents don't like breaking the law, so make sure those torture laws are
passed by the next leader so they can once again feel proud of our unit
. How can they feel like law abiding citizens and hold their heads up
high until we change the laws so that we can do whatever we feel like.

We should have more agents like Special Agent Simson. No morals, stops
at nothing to achieve her objective. Throws anybody that gets in her
way into gaol, doesn't loose a wink of sleep because of the people's
lives she has destroyed or have suicided because of her actions.
Whether innocent or guilty makes no difference to her.

Though she is a bit of a drunk and gets pregnate all the time because
she forgets to take the pill to kill the developing life inside her but
she does donate her embro or fetus to science for the embroynic stem
cells, collegen and whatever else that they can use from that human
life. Matter of fact I have some cream made from fetal tissue she has
given me. Makes you feel years younger, what a pillar of society she
is.

So what's happening with that christian group you have bottled up,
electronically tagged and confined to house arrest?

How dare these terrorist say anything about us violating human rights
by murdering, kidnapping and abducting the citizens and locking them up
in solitary confinement. Make sure you get their families as well, I
want this mongrel lot to suffer.


Which reminds me, this idiot cut me off and I want you to find him
because he too has become a terrorist suspect.


Inspector Hate:

Should be easy enough, judges will rubber stamp this request, most of
the time they can't even be bothered reading the document, just like
the joke oversight committie. Most of the time they fall asleep when
your talking to them and the rest are too scared of becoming terror
suspects.


As far as that christian group goes, where having a great deal of
entertainment from them at their expense. They can't tell anyone what
we are doing due to no communication to the outside world and arrested
if we find out, can't contact lawers and most are so broke they
couldn't afford them anyway from years of not being allowed to work.

Even when they are allowed to go out for that couple of hours to get
food we have the shopkeepers spitting on them and charging a small
fortune for the little they are able to afford. People will do anything
to please the authorities especially at the threath of being labelled
terror suspects.

Just for some extra entertainment the boys are provoking them and three
or four of them have made a run for it. Tracked them down through their
tags and shot them.

Like shooting fish in a barrel.
Don't you hate that.

Grins from ear to ear.


Phone rings and Chief inspect Nasty answers

Chief inspect Nasty here. This better be good!


Lodge Secretary:

The supreme leader of the brotherhood, King Antichrist is coming to the
lodge tonight. Make sure your there or else He will have you removed
from the position that the brotherhood has put you in.


Chief inspect Nasty:

##$%^ ^%^$##$ ***** I am extremely busy killing and numbering the
people of this country, ok I'll be there!!!!!!!!!!


NEXT DAY:

Chief inspect Nasty return to work the next day supporting a huge grog
related headache after being at the lodge and personally meeting the
antichrist the night before. He takes a detour and visits Mr Mean
before going to his own office.


Chief inspect Nasty:

What a night! Anything and everything you could possible drink or eat
was set out for us. Anybody who was anybody at the Lodge was there
for the Antichrist's speech.


Inspector Hate:

Anything interesting in A.C.'s speech?


Chief inspect Nasty:

Seems the Brotherhood are seeded through out the democratic world, in
all the corridors of power, and the final push to put the AC as King of
the world is coming up. He wants us to throw our support behind him and
get rid of any opposition to him in becoming the voice of the nations,
the messiah and the defender of all faiths.


Given the constant opposition to the torture laws by Mister Civil
Rights he seem a prime target as his standing in the way of those laws
been passsed and limiting our ability to convince others to support
him. I envy the Yanks with their torture laws and when we get them here
it won't take us long to silence all oposition.

Who would believe that in the space of 7 years law reforms can go from
protecting the individual to shooting them in the head. But killing can
only go so far with them, and we still need their support, which is why
I want those torture laws passed so I can have my way with them.


Convince them that it will only be used on the Muslims who trained in
the terrorist camps overseas, to extract informatiom about plots and so
protect the public from terrorism. Once the laws are in place we can
use it on them to support the AC, lately the majority of them have been
so compliant that even the slightest snarl from us get them on their
backs wimpering like one of those mop dogs. I guess that what happens
when you have power and I want more of it!

The thought of having somebody completely at his mercy makes Nasty
drool, and he has to Wipe the drool off his face.


Inspector Hate:

Our survelliance seems to indicated that Mister Right is going overseas
to Indonesia next week for a bleeding hearts convention. Such an avid
surfer hippy should have some dope to go with him.

What do you think?


Chief inspect Nasty:

Smiles.

Been working a treat for many years now, make sure you put it into some
place easy to find such as his surf bag so the authorities in Indonesia
don't miss it like they have a couple times before. Better still inform
them that his father is in prison for drug charges, nobody in Australia
will care or believe him that he was set up once they learn this
information.

Especially the Indonesians!

Image is everything so makes sure you act suprised and shocked because
we still don't have complete control over the public.


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Book asks, `Did U.S. help assassinate JFK?'

BY PATRICK KERKSTRA
Knight Ridder Newspapers

PHILADELPHIA - There are some subjects - and the web of conspiracy
theories surrounding the assassination of John F. Kennedy is certainly
among them - that most members of the academic establishment avoid as
much as possible.

And then there is Temple University's Joan Mellen, whose new book, "A
Farewell to Justice," pins the murder on the U.S. government itself.

"Long live tenure," said Mellen, an English professor who has written
an eclectic collection of 17 books.

Her latest, which was published last week, started out as a biography
of Jim Garrison, the New Orleans district attorney whose investigation
of the assassination was dramatized in Oliver Stone's 1991 film "JFK."

But in her research on Garrison, Mellen soon became fascinated by the
assassination itself. After eight years of work, in which she says she
conducted 1,200 interviews, Mellen concluded that Garrison had it
right, and that the CIA - with the help of other government agencies -
orchestrated the assassination and worked to thwart the district
attorney's investigation.

"Intra-government warfare caused the death of President Kennedy," she
said. "The evidence is conclusive."

Mellen presents her evidence in a dense and highly detailed 386 pages,
with 140 additional pages of careful citations and sourcing.
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AFP 'had no role in Corby photos'
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The Australian Federal Police (AFP) had no role in the release of
photographs of convicted drug trafficker Schapelle Corby and a man
charged with marijuana dealing, chief Mick Keelty says.

Bali prosecutors are expected to seek access to the photographs of
Corby ahead of an upcoming appeal against her current 15-year jail
term.

The photographs, the existence of which were revealed by Melbourne's
Herald-Sun newspaper on Saturday, were thought to have been taken
before Corby was arrested on October 8 last year, when customs officers
at Bali's airport found 4.1 kilograms of marijuana in her unlocked
luggage.

However, Corby's mother, Rosleigh Rose, said they were taken after
Corby's arrest, while her daughter was in jail.

Ms Rose says her partner took photos of her daughter with a suspected
drug dealer when the man visited Corby in her Bali jail.

Ms Rose says she also appeared in the photos, which were taken after
two strangers befriended her and her partner Greg at a Bali restaurant.

She insists her daughter did not know the two men - the suspected
dealer, and another man charged with marijuana dealing.

Ms Rose said the men, named Mal and Don, told her they felt for her
daughter, and asked if they could visit her at Kerobokan Prison.

"Mal said he had a nine-year-old granddaughter who felt for Schapelle
and they asked if they could go to the prison to meet her when we next
visited her and we said it would be OK," Ms Rose told the Adelaide
Advertiser.

"They wanted a photograph with Schapelle and they were going to get a
disposable camera.

"But they didn't in the end, so Greg took the photos on his digital
camera and then we got prints for them.

"And Schapelle wrote a card for Mal's granddaughter. This was the only
time Schapelle saw these men."

Police reportedly found the photographs of Corby and the alleged dealer
while searching his South Australian home as part of a joint South
Australian-Queensland operation to bust an alleged marijuana-smuggling
ring operating between the states.

Prosecutors in Denpasar are likely to request police hand over the
photographs to cast doubt on Corby's claim that she had no contact with
drugs or drug dealers.

Mr Keelty said the matter was in the hands of South Australian and
Queensland police, and federal Attorney-General Philip Ruddock.

Mr Keelty said the AFP had "no role whatsoever" in the seizure of the
photographs.

"That's a matter between the South Australian Police and the Queensland
Police," Mr Keelty told reporters in Canberra.

He said it was now up to Mr Ruddock to decide whether to request the
photos from state police in order to forward them to those deciding
Corby's appeal.

"We are not in possession of the original photographs," Mr Keelty said.

"Whether they are used for the prosecution or in Indonesia will be a
matter for the Australian Government - whether they're used for the
defence is also a matter for the Australian Government.

"So it will be up to the Australian Government to liaise as appropriate
with the South Australian and Queensland police."

Mr Keelty said he had only seen copies and did not know who had leaked
them to the media.

But he said there was always a risk that such evidence would surface.

"If any evidence existed about Schapelle Corby there was always a risk
that it would come to light eventually," he said.

"But that's matter for the Indonesians and for the Australian
Government.

"If they are evidence of anything it will be a matter for the
Attorney-General's department in the Australian Government to make a
decision as to whether they should be provided to the Indonesians."

Corby's lawyers last month lodged an appeal with Indonesia's highest
court, claiming lower court judges failed to consider evidence that
would set the Gold Coast woman free.

She maintains the drugs were not hers and were planted in her baggage
by an Australian drug gang using her as an unwitting drug courier.

But prosecutors in Denpasar have said they will fight the appeal, and
plan to lodge a counter appeal against the court's decision to slash
five years from Corby's original 20-year jail term.

A spokesman for Justice Minister Chris Ellison, who acts on Mr
Ruddock's behalf in mutual assistance matters, said no request had been
received from Indonesian authorities.

Such a request would be considered on its merits in accordance with the
relevant act, he said.

AAP

_________________________________________________________________

How convient that these drug dealers just happened to want to visit
Schapelle and get there picture taken with her in it.

How convient that a photo is circulating on the internet with Schapelle
sitting with a group of friends with an alledged bag of drugs on the
table.

And the AFP says it has no idea how these photo's got into the media's
hands?

You would think that 20 years would be enough punishment for someone
who was either incredibly stupid and placed dope into a very obvious
place so that it could be easily found in a search or in actual fact
she was set up.

Obviously not enough glory in locking her up in a place not fit for
pigs for 20 yrs so are they just trying for the big one!

You know like the Bali 9 who mostly likely will be shot. We know for a
fact they were set up by this terrorist orginisation as their man was
their during their arrest, maybe they didnt sell the dope to them but
that's the good thing with this international cooperation, they also
have their undercover agents that can disappear once their dirty work
is done.


Luk 18:9-14 GNB
(9) Jesus also told this parable to people who were sure of their own
goodness and despised everybody else.
(10) "Once there were two men who went up to the Temple to pray: one
was a Pharisee, the other a tax collector.
(11) The Pharisee stood apart by himself and prayed, 'I thank you,
God, that I am not greedy, dishonest, or an adulterer, like everybody
else. I thank you that I am not like that tax collector over there.
(12) I fast two days a week, and I give you one tenth of all my
income.'
(13) But the tax collector stood at a distance and would not even
raise his face to heaven, but beat on his breast and said, 'God, have
pity on me, a sinner!'
(14) I tell you," said Jesus, "the tax collector, and not the
Pharisee, was in the right with God when he went home. For those who
make themselves great will be humbled, and those who humble themselves
will be made great."


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Is this the sort of government we the people of the western world
really want?

So why do we buckel into the demands of the law enforcement agency
continual power grab that is erroding the moral and humaine laws of our
countrys.

There is so much illegal activities going on in these agencies all
ready and we want to start legallising a few of them so they can demand
even more authority to do away with the little justices we have left.

Save us first from the government, then worry about the terrorist,
otherwise the government will become the terrorists.

__________________________________________________________________________________________________

In this letter, I will not avoid any of the real problems I saw, even
if this means I may be immediately arrested when this letter is
publicized. The 15 days of investigation again showed me the painful
truth. The 6-10 Office is-or at least can be called-a gang that
exists within the political power of the nation, yet is higher than the
political power. It is a gang that can control and regulate all
political resources. Although it is an organization that exists outside
of the Constitution and the regulations of the country's power
structure, the 6-10 Office is using many powers that are only supposed
to be used by agencies of the national government, and even many powers
that are beyond those of agencies of the national government. It uses
powers that don't belong and have never belonged to the nation since
the beginning of mankind's political civilization on this earth.

We can see that the power symbolized by the number 6-10 continues to
"interface" with the public through ways such as killing a person's
physical body and spirit, shackles, chains, electric shock tortures,
and "tiger benches." " [3] The nature of this power has become that of
a criminal gang. It continues to torture our mothers, sisters,
children, and our entire nation. Mr. Hu and Mr. Wen, as members of our
nation in special positions at this time, and especially as individuals
who are perceived by the majority of the public as being conscientious,
you should face everything together with all of us.

At this moment, with a trembling heart and a trembling pen, I am
writing down the tragic experiences of those who have been persecuted
in the last six years. Among the true accounts of unbelievable
brutality, among the records of the government's inhuman torture of its
own people, the immoral acts that shocked my soul the most were the
lewd yet routine practice of attacking women's genitals by 6-10 Office
staff and the police. Almost every woman's genitals and breasts or
every man's genitals have been sexually assaulted during the
persecution in a most vulgar fashion. Almost all who have been
persecuted, be they male or female, were first stripped naked before
any torture. No language or words could describe or re-create our
government's vulgarity and immorality in this respect. Who with a warm
body could afford to stay silent when faced with such truths?

At 4:20 p.m. on October 28, 2005, Ms. Wang Shouhui (mother) and Mr. Liu
Boyang (son) from Changchun City were followed by 6-10 Office staff and
were illegally arrested. The two were brutally tortured by the police.
At about 8 p.m., 28-year-old Liu Boyang died from the torture. About 10
days later, his mother was also tortured to death. The bodies of the
unfortunate duo are still in the hands of the 6-10 Office officials. It
took the 6-10 officials three days to inform Liu's father of his death,
while Ms. Wang's time of death remains unclear. Liu's father looked for
a lawyer in his city, but no one dared to accept his case. The elderly
man said, "In a society like this, it is harder to live than to die.
Living brings more pain. After I take care of their burials, I'll
follow them and leave, too."

Ms. Wang Shouhui, her husband, and her son (Liu Boyang) began
practicing Falun Gong in 1995. Since the persecution of Falun Gong
started on July 20, 1999, they were continually harassed by police from
the Zhengyang Police Station of Luuyuan District and officials from the
Zhengyang Neighborhood Administration Office. Ms. Wang was illegally
detained in October 1999 and sent to the Heizuizi Labor Camp in
February 2000. At the labor camp, she was tortured with an electric
baton eight times. She was also forced to work during the day. For five
days and nights, she was prohibited from sleeping and was required to
remain standing. She was tortured using a "death bed" [4] several
times. The most serious time, she was beaten with two electric batons
for over one hour while tied to the "death bed." She did not have even
one part of her body and face intact. She was only released after the
torture put her life in danger.

On April 11, 2002, Ms. Wang was walking down the street when she was
again abducted by the police from Zhengyang Police Station of Luuyuan
District. She was blindfolded by the police from the First Division of
the Changchun Public Security Bureau and was taken to a secret torture
room in Jingyueshan, Changchun. She was tortured on the tiger bench for
two days and one night, during which time she was also beaten with two
electric batons on the breasts. Three men used their fists to punch her
face, chest, and back. As a result, Ms. Wang's left cheekbone was
fractured and she vomited a great amount of blood. Later, her lungs
were infected. While at the police hospital, Ms. Wang's four limbs were
confined when she received infusions. She was prohibited from using the
restroom. Instead, the hospital forcefully inserted a tube into her
bladder, but did not give her care. She could not move for five days
and five nights. Subsequently, her bladder was permanently damaged and
she could no longer control her bladder.

On June 27, 2002, Ms. Wang and her family were again abducted to the
Zhengyang Police Station by the Political and Security Division of the
Luuyuan District Police Department. Ms. Wang was tied into the fetal
position for an entire evening. Later, when she was illegally detained
at the No. 3 Detention Center in Changchun City, the guards locked her
handcuffs to her ankle shackles for 18 days and force-fed her for a
month. She was then sent to the provincial police hospital, where her
limbs were confined and she was force-fed for over 30 days. She wasn't
released until her life was in danger. At the same time, several police
from Zhengyang Police Station brutally tortured, beat, and kicked Liu
Boyang. They also slapped his face with leather shoes, tied him with a
rope, put a plastic bag over his head, tied his arms behind his back,
and hung him from the ceiling using handcuffs. When Liu was hanging in
the air, they shook his feet or dragged his feet down. Mr. Yuan
Dachuan, a police officer conducting the torture, said shamelessly, "I
have killed quite a few Falun Gong practitioners with torture. I don't
have to bear any responsibility if I beat you to death." Every time
they were tortured, the mother and son could hear each other's screams,
which shook heaven and earth, ghosts and spirits!

On October 29, 2002, Liu Boyang was sent to two years of forced labor
at Chaoyanggou Labor Camp in Changchun City. In December, the police
forced him to sit on cold cement floors all day long and prohibited him
from sleeping at night. During the day, he was forced to attend
brainwashing classes. In June 2004, when his term was over, the labor
camp refused to release him and found some excuse to add 47 days to his
term. Liu was a graduate of a medical university. He was a good person,
and was kind to children and respectful to the elderly. Every year he
was a model worker at the hospital. A woman surnamed Wang told me the
above experiences of Ms. Wang and Mr. Liu so rapidly she spoke almost
in one breath.

Sun Shuxiang, a 48-year-old Changchun resident, was illegally arrested
nine times in six years. Below are some of the experiences she
described during her illegal sentence in labor camps:

"One day in the latter part of 2001, the policeman Li Zhenping from the
eighth section of Xingye Street Police Station came to my home with
another man. They came to persuade my husband to divorce me. I said,
"No." Li kept hitting my face until it was swollen. My eyes started to
bleed, and I suddenly could not see anything. He asked again if I
agreed to the divorce, and said if not he would send me back (to the
labor camp). Under their constant terror, my husband divorced me. My
good family was thus broken apart by the government. Now, I am still in
exile.

"In July of 2002, I was in my father's home. A plainclothes policeman
suddenly broke into the house and asked if I was Sun Shuxiang. Before I
answered him, I was kidnapped. The next day, police from the first
section of Changchun Public Security Bureau put me in a car and drove
me on a bumpy road for about two hours. Two policemen took me to a dark
and terrifying basement, and took off the blindfold. Eight or nine
policemen all rushed into the room. On a table there were three
electric batons of large, medium, and small sizes and a bundle of rope,
and on the other side were three tiger benches. Two policemen forced me
on a tiger bench, and placed my hands on the armrests that each had a
handcuff attached to it. My hands were locked in place with the
handcuffs. The armrests on the tiger bench had a row of different size
holes to fit different wrist sizes. The police skillfully fixed an iron
rod as thick as the thumb on the two armrests, pressing against my
chest and abdomen area and making it impossible for me to move. One
policeman pointed at the torture tools and said to me, 'Do you see
that? If you cooperate, we can finish business in over an hour.
Otherwise, we will have you taste all kinds of instruments. What
happened to Liu Zhe and others [practitioners who were killed] ? Only a
few can come out of here alive.'

"A seemingly polite policeman slapped my face twice, and asked me if I
knew any fellow practitioners. I said no. He took an electric baton,
stuck its two claws between my ribs, and started to shock me. He asked
again for my fellow practitioners' phone numbers, and I said nothing.
He then used the electric baton over my fingertips, while asking me
which practitioners I knew. He used the electric baton on my arms and
then my head, then to the other side of my body. After one round over
my body, he slowly traced my body another round with the electric
baton. They then changed into a higher voltage, fully charged electric
baton, and started from my toes and went over my body. I still remained
silent. They started with the toes of the other foot to go over my body
from the other side. I was still silent. They then used the electric
baton on my eyes. I felt like my eyes were going to pop out of the
sockets, and I could not see anything. I still refused to tell
anything, and they returned to electrify my ribs. The pain was
unbearable. The electric baton moved to my chest, as they asked me with
which practitioners I had remained in contact. The pain made it
impossible for me to speak, and the familiar faces of practitioners
appeared in front of me one by one. I had one thought: No matter what,
I would not tell about any practitioners, since as soon as I told about
anyone, that person would be arrested and tortured. The police stuck
the electric baton inside my mouth. My mouth was all burnt and swollen,
and blisters covered the outside. They said to me as they were shocking
me, 'If you do not speak, we will pry open your mouth.' They again
stuck the electric baton inside my mouth. After a day and a night's
torture, I was just about to die...

"In the beginning of 2004, I stayed temporarily at Ms. Xing Guiling's
home. One midnight I heard loud pounding on the door. The double door
was quickly broken. In terror, I saw a bunch of police with iron
hammers and guns, shouting, 'Do not move, otherwise you will be
killed.' We were arrested and taken to the Luuyuan branch of the Public
Security Bureau, and locked up in a small iron cage. I was tied onto a
tiger bench. They started to beat Xing Guiling in front of me, using a
leather belt to strangle her neck. She cried heart-wrenchingly. I saw
Xing Guiling beaten down; when she was down, they kicked her. When she
got up, they beat her down again. They beat and kicked her, asking her
to reveal her contacts with other practitioners. They kept torturing
her over and over. They took their leather belt and strangled her
again, till she could not breathe. The police shouted, 'I will show you
if you don't tell.' Xing Guiling was tortured with only one breath
left, but she did not reveal a single practitioner's name. They then
started to torture me. After three days and nights of torture, they
sent us to the No. 3 Detention Center.

"On August 4, 2003, I was again arrested by the police. They took me to
the Nanguan branch of the Public Security Bureau. A pockmarked
policeman grabbed my hair and kept hitting my head on the wall. I was
getting so dizzy. He then forced me to sit on a tiger bench and cuffed
my hands tightly. Another policeman started to hit my arms, and my
wrists began to bleed from being tightly caught by the handcuffs. They
used iron rings to chain my ankles, and then stepped on the rings,
making it tighter and tighter. My ankles were painful beyond endurance.
They then used a plastic bag to cover my head, and tied it over my
neck, suffocating me. When they saw that I was about to die, they took
off the bag. After a while, they covered my head again, and took it off
before I died. They did this three times and at the same time kept
pressing the rings tighter into my ankles. It was so painful that I
started to have a seizure. My ankles were broken and bleeding. I
fainted. They used cold water to bring me back, and sent me to the No.
3 Detention Center. There, I refused to eat and drink, and went into a
coma. After 27 days, I had just one breath left. They notified my
family members to take me home."

Liu Shuqin, a 60-year-old lady from Changchun, was arrested and sent to
labor camps five times in six years. This old lady calmly told us the
barbarous torture she suffered:

"I was first arrested in February of 2000. The police violently hit and
kicked us to the police car, which took us to the Balipu Detention
Center. I was locked up for 15 days without any legal procedures.
Altogether more than 10 of us were arrested, and all experienced
unspeakable torture. After that, the Neighborhood Administration Office
and the police continued to harass me.

"On December 31, 2000, I was arrested for the second time when I went
to Beijing to appeal to the government. I held out a banner that said
"Falun Dafa is Good," and the Tiananmen police hit my back violently
with electric batons, forcing me onto a police car. Later I was thrown
into a dungeon with walls covered with ice and frost. The police forced
me to take off all my clothing, and ordered someone to shoot water on
me from a big pipe. They left me to sleep on the bare floor naked, with
nothing to cover my body. The toilet in the room stank so much and
smelled so bad. Everyday, several policemen came to interrogate me.
They did not allow me to sleep at night. After 38 days of
interrogation, they did not get anything.

"On December 31, 2001, several practitioners and I hung banners outside
to expose the lies of the government about Falun Gong. Someone reported
us and we were arrested. The police from the 6-10 Office beat me
violently without stopping. At midnight that day, I was sent to the No.
3 Detention Center. There, a policeman punched my eyes with his fists.
My eyes became blurry and I could not see anything. They hit my head a
few more times. Faced with their brutal behavior, I told them good and
evil will be repaid. The police asked inmates to bring a heavy chain
weighing 28 kg (approximately 61 lbs.) and put it on my ankles. I was
detained for 22 days, during which I suffered tortures that were worse
than death. Later on, the police took a lot of money from my family
before they released me.

"On February 28, 2003, a few days after my release, a bunch of police
from the Luuyuan branch of the Public Security Bureau stormed into my
home again. A policeman named Yuan Dachuan went through our drawers and
took away over 4,000 yuan (about $500) in cash without leaving any
receipts. Another policeman pocketed a bottle of foreign perfume my
child had brought me from overseas. When Yuan Dachuan was taking my
money, I criticized his robbery. He punched me and handcuffed me. They
did whatever they liked in my home and the house was all messed up.
They abducted me to the torture chamber at the Luuyuan branch and
tortured me on the tiger bench for two hours. They then tied me up with
a thin rope, with my hands behind my back. The police tightened the
rope on me. With my whole body tied up, I was pushed out of the torture
chamber. Another group of people threw me into a car. They used my
feather-filled coat to cover my head so tightly that I almost
suffocated.

"After about 20 minutes, the car stopped, and we arrived at another
torture chamber (later on I knew this was at the Chaoyang branch). The
room was filled with torture instruments. As soon as we arrived there,
they forced me onto the tiger bench, and about six policemen handcuffed
me and chained my ankles, fixing a steel rod across my chest (on the
tiger bench). A young policeman used a foot-long iron rod to hit my
left hand, which was cuffed to the tiger bench. After a dozen strikes,
my hand was swollen severely and it turned purple-black. They asked me
to tell about other practitioners, and I said I would not say anything.
At this time, more than 10 police cuffed my hands behind me. They kept
pulling the handcuffs and the ankle chains, and pushing the iron rod
against my chest. Stretched under such a strong force, I felt as if my
tendons and bones were about to break; I could not breathe. The pain
was so unbearable that I fainted a few times. When I fainted, the
police poured cold water on me. After I came to, they continued to
torture me. I was tortured like this for a day and night, fainting and
waking up. As the handcuffs and ankle chains were pulled by the police,
they kept piercing into my flesh. Blood was mixed with flesh over my
wrists and ankles, making a large pool of blood on the floor. The
police treated an old lady like me with such savage tortures. Every
nerve and bone hurt beyond endurance in my arms, hands, feet and legs.
My whole body was unable to move.

"One March 1, they sent me to the No. 3 Detention Center. They checked
my heart and blood pressure-none functioned well; my legs could not
walk. Even so, I was still sentenced for two years in the labor camp.
In a coma, I was carried to the Heizuizi labor camp. I had to be
carried to go to the bathroom. The policewoman Liu Lianying from the
second team started to persecute me, saying that I was pretending not
to be able to walk. Liu barbarously shocked me with an electric baton
on my legs, chest, heart-all over my body. At the time, a criminal
convict Yi Liwen (who had a good relationship with Liu) could not bear
to see it; she took away the electric baton and said, 'Don't shock her
anymore, look at what bad shape she is in.' Liu Lianying then stopped.
Since I could not walk, the police often cursed me; they used all their
conversion experts to try to "transform" me, and the police took turns
brainwashing me.

"After a day's labor, they did not let me sleep, but conducted
brainwashing in order to force me to sign this or that paper. I firmly
refused. They tortured me like this for two months, and my blood
pressure often reached over 200 and I suffered from serious heart
disease. Seeing that I refused to be transformed, Jia Hongyan used
prostitution convicts to torture me, monitoring me on a 24-hour basis
at my side even during eating and sleeping. They forced me to
transform, beating and cursing me almost every moment and every day.
They did not allow me to speak; if I did they would curse me. Everyday,
my body and heart were suffering in great pain. Over a year of
persecution brought great harm to my body and mind. My body was numb,
and my arms did not move well. I was diagnosed with brain infarction
and atrophy. I was originally very healthy, but the one year's
persecution had turned me into such a state. Just because I want to be
a good person, I have endured such inhumane torture for such a long
time."

With a slow and gentle voice, Zhang Zhikui calmly narrated his
experience of being persecuted in Changchun City:

"After July 20, 1999 I went to Beijing to appeal for Falun Gong.
Because I clarified the truth of Falun Gong to residents in Beijing, I
was arrested by the police in Beijing and transferred to the police of
Changchun City's liaison office in Beijing. There, they tied my hands
and feet together onto a wooden club and hung me between two tables by
putting the two ends of the wooden club onto the two tables. I swung
back and forth. Whenever the wooden club broke, I fell to the floor. As
for other practitioners who were also arrested there, the police beat
them with leather belts or hung them up. They beat my thighs with a
white wood rod.

"Later on, all of us practitioners were sent back to Erdaohezi District
Police Substation in Changchun City. At that time, there were 10 or
more practitioners. After we arrived there, the head of the Political
Protection Department lifted me up and forced me to take off my pants.
At that time, there were males and females present. Then, the head of
the Political Protection Department beat my head with a leather belt.
My head became numb, there was ringing in my ears, and I almost lost
consciousness. He asked for my name and the date I went to Beijing. I
was barely conscious following the beating, so I couldn't remember
anything. Nevertheless, he continued beating me. And then, he stamped
on my feet with his leather shoes, grinding my toes with the heel of
his leather shoes. He just observed the expression in my eyes while he
was doing this to me. I endured the severe pain and began to sweat
profusely. He left me then and began to beat up other practitioners.
After I was sent to Tiebei Detention Center, the guards instigated the
criminals there to strip me and beat me. The criminals kicked me hard,
ramming me into the wall of the restroom. I could barely get up from
the ground. Immediately two pots of cold water were poured onto my
body. Again they kicked me hard. My arms and legs bled, and there was a
big wound on one leg. One month later, I was released from there
without any documents and without any legal procedures having been
followed.

"At the end of November 1999, I went to China's Supreme Court in
Beijing to appeal for Falun Gong. The officials of China's Supreme
Court informed police and they arrested me there, sending me to the
police of Zhaoyuan City's (in Shandong province) liaison office in
Beijing. On my way back, they removed my belt and forced me to walk
with my hands holding up my pants. They beat me as we walked. Upon my
arrival at the liaison office, they again beat me severely with a
strap, and they continued beating me for several hours during the
night. The next day, they sent me back to Zhaoyuan City, Shandong
province.

"Upon my arrival at Zhaoyuan City Detention Center, the police
instigated the criminals there to beat me. The criminals there saw that
I did my duties actively and positively. They were all moved by me and
didn't beat me any longer. Eventually, they sent a mute criminal to
beat me up. One day, the guard there ordered me to extend my head out
through a small hole in the iron gate of my cell, and then he trampled
my head with his feet, beating my head as well. The practitioners in
other cells all shouted at him together, 'Do not beat people!'

"Afterwards, they sent my sister and me to Xinzhuang Township Police
Station. Following July 20, 1999, my whole family was arrested. They
detained my sister and me separately in small dark solitary confinement
cells under the staircases. The solitary confinement cells were so
short that we couldn't stand up straight inside them. They only allowed
us to go to the restroom once every evening, and they locked us up like
this for 10 days for each detainment. After that, they sent us back to
the Zhaoyuan Detention Center and kept us there for a month. They
tortured my sister and me like this back and forth for a total of six
times. All these events made us feel that it is difficult either to
live or die.

"On National Day in 2000, I went to the Culture Square in Changchun
City to unfurl a banner and I was arrested. All the news media in China
lied. They did not speak a truthful word for us. Therefore, we wanted
to tell people the truth in this way. Police chief Liang and other
policemen stripped my coat off and wrapped my head with it. They cuffed
my hands from behind, dragged me down from upstairs, and then escorted
me to a car. The car traveled for about two hours and I felt that it
was far away from the town. After we arrived at the destination, I was
escorted to a house where the cloth on my head was removed. I felt
terrible. There was a tiger bench in the room. I knew we were on a
mountain and I heard the wind swooshing. Police Chief Liang and other
policemen stripped all my clothes off and they forced me onto the tiger
bench. My hands were tied behind my back to the crabstick. They
inserted an iron stick at my chest, my thighs and my legs respectively.
Both ends of these sticks were fixed to the tiger bench so that my
whole body was tightly locked onto the tiger bench and I could not
move. My feet were put in iron hoops and immobilized. Then Liang took
out a sharp knife one third of a meter long and rubbed it on his pants
a couple of times. He threw the knife to the table and ferociously said
to me: 'Zhang Zhikui, I want you to die here; today I'll torture you to
death and dig a hole and bury you. Nobody will know or find you.' After
saying that, Liang went outside. At least three policemen started to
recharge the electric batons and another two policemen grasped my hands
that were tied to the stick behind me, then they stretched my hands
around my head from behind to front. I heard my bones cracking
ceaselessly. This torture was repeated several times and the oppressive
pain distressed me terribly. Later, an iron barrel was buckled onto my
head; they hit the barrel violently with steel pipes. The intense
tremor and harsh noise made my head feel like it was exploding. After I
had suffered for a long period of time, the policemen burned my back
with cigarettes and the unbearable pain made me lose consciousness.
Then they poured cold water on me to wake me up. Finally they lit
candles and used them to burn my back. After they scorched the flesh on
my back, they poured the hot wax on it. The pain made my body endlessly
shiver and jump. All I could hear was the cracking of the tiger bench
that was shaken by me. Because there was not any good skin remaining on
my body, the policemen started to shock my private parts with electric
batons and pierced them. Afterwards they used an iron stick to smash my
private parts. I passed out and I did not know how much time passed
before I awakened. After one night's torture, my face was swollen to
several times the original size and my whole body was drenched in
blood. I looked badly mangled. I had twisted my body so much due to the
pain that the skin and flesh at my ankles were cut through, with the
bones and muscles exposed. However, when they saw that I was awake,
they again dragged me outside. It was more than 10 degrees centigrade
below zero outdoors and they poured cold water on my naked body. They
abandoned me where I lay. They returned to the house. Half an hour
later they came out to see if I was still alive. I did not know how
much time passed before morning arrived. I was already at the brink of
death. I was carried to the Changchun City police department. There
were many small cells, each with a tiger bench inside. There were
female Dafa practitioners on every tiger bench. Most of them had
fainted, with their lower bodies naked or with only a cloth covering
the body.

"I was sent to the Tiebei Detention Center for further torture. I began
a hunger strike for five days and they stopped the torture. After I
stayed in the detention center for 40 days, they sent me to the fifth
division of the Chaoyang District forced labor camp. There, I went on a
continuous hunger strike. Over 10 Dafa practitioners joined me in the
strike. There were 500 Dafa practitioners detained in the fifth
division. The division head saw that we were on a hunger strike and he
led some criminals to brutally beat us. The scene was horrendous.
Finally the Dafa practitioners that were on the hunger strike were
taken to the first division where the Dafa practitioners were most
brutally persecuted. A criminal named Xu Hui often abused Dafa
practitioners. One Dafa practitioner over sixty years old used to be a
mid-level officer, but because he did not wear the prisoner's uniform
he was beaten by Xu Hui until he was on his last breath. But he still
did not stop beating him. I almost lost confidence in life, since I had
endured unspeakable agony for a very long time. All the unbearable
persecutions and tortures happened in the afternoons, in the evenings,
and even in the middle of the night.

"If the Falun Gong practitioners made a little bit of a sound when they
were asleep, their fellow inmates would beat them up. All of this made
the Falun Gong practitioners even dare not to go to sleep. I sometimes
couldn't stop coughing at night; therefore, the inmates beat me for the
whole night. They didn't allow me to cough at all. I didn't dare to
drink water in the evening, since they didn't allow us to go to the
restrooms at night. Once I couldn't help myself from going to the
restroom, and I went quietly. When I came back, Xu Hui beat me up until
I was almost on my last breath. He kicked me very hard in the area of
my kidney, causing my kidney to move from its natural position. I
couldn't move for several days.

"Once, there was a Falun Dafa practitioner in his twenties named Sui
Futao. The criminals found out that he had hidden our Teacher's
articles in his clothing, so they had hit him with a wrench over 50
times. Not long after that, this practitioner was beaten to death. My
younger sister was sentenced to 10 years imprisonment, and at the same
time, her husband was sentenced to 3 years imprisonment. Furthermore,
only because they practiced Falun Gong, their nine-year-old child was
dismissed forcefully from school under the order given by the 6-10
Office. Among the Falun Gong practitioners who kept in touch with me,
eight or nine practitioners had been beaten to death. Their names were
Wang Shouhui, Liu Boyang, Liu Haibo, Liu Chengjun, Xu Shuxiang, Wang
Kefei, Yu Lixin and Deng Shiying. As for the names of other
practitioners who were persecuted to death, I couldn't even remember
their names right now! All these are facts that are extremely cruel!

"Zhang Shuchun is my second younger sister. When the police tried to
arrest her, she jumped downstairs. Her broken ribs pierced into some of
her organs. Her legs and arms were broken, too. She immediately
fainted. Soon many passersby stopped to look at her and asked what
happened. The policeman from the 6-10 Office said, 'She had a fight
with her husband about a divorce.' Since she was a so-called 'Wanted
Criminal,' the police took her to a hospital. But the doctors at the
hospital thought it unnecessary to try to save a Falun Gong
practitioner. They said, 'Just throw her out,' and surprisingly, the
police did throw her out in a suburban area. Later, she was saved by
some kind-hearted people. But the police put her back on the 'Wanted'
list again."

Wang Yuhuan is a female Falun Gong practitioner that the Changchun
police arrested. She was detained at forced labor camps nine times in
the past six years. She said: "You won't believe this. But at the
forced labor camp, in order to collect money, police tried to sell
sleeping space. The price was 2,000 yuan (around $250) per month. Once
you bought it, you would have the right to lie down on your back when
sleeping. Otherwise, you would have to lie on your side since the cell
was small. Meanwhile, those who bought the space were entitled to beat
us up. As Falun Dafa practitioners, we wouldn't spend so much money to
buy sleeping spaces. As more criminals bought sleeping space, the rest
of the people had less space for sleep and it became more painful to
sleep.

"In August 2000, I was sent to the Heizuizi Forced Labor Camp. Police
there tried to force me to 'transform.' I had to work 18 hours
everyday. The workload was very high. It was to make products for
export. Besides working, they forced me to write 'repentance' reports.
The criminals in my cell would beat me up if I refused to do so. In
order to 'transform' me, Sun Mingyan, the officer-in-charge of the No.
6 Squad, sat on my head and shocked my head and face with an electric
baton for more than one hour. My hair was scorched and my face and neck
were severely burned. I was bruised all over my face and body. When I
was released in November 2001, I still wasn't able to pick up a bowl.
The 6-10 Office also illegally took 2000 yuan (approximately $250) from
me when I was released.

"On March 5, 2002, some Falun Dafa practitioners successfully broadcast
a video clip about the truth of Falun Dafa on TV. The Central 6-10
Office ordered a large-scale arrest in Changchun. I was arrested then.
Police arrested over 5000 Dafa practitioners at that time. Each cell at
the detention center had to hold at least 50 people. They even detained
Falun Dafa practitioners in bathrooms because of limited space. The
First Department of the Changchun Public Security arrested me on March
11, 2002. They locked me in a 1.3 meter-high iron cage at the police
substation near the Nanguan District Caishen Temple. I couldn't stand
up at all. On the night of March 12, Gao Peng, Zhang Heng and some
other policemen from the First Division of the Criminal Squad
interrogated me. They handcuffed my hands behind my back and put a
cloth bag on my head. They used a rope to tighten the bag on my neck so
that I couldn't see anything and I could hardly breathe. Then they tied
me up using ropes and put me in the trunk of the police car. They drove
to a mountain where they brutally tortured Falun Dafa practitioners at
will. Many fellow practitioners were tortured to death in this place.
Mr. Liu Haibo was stripped of all his clothes and forced to kneel down.
Police pushed the longest electric baton they could find into his
bottom and gave his organs electric shocks. Liu died immediately on the
site. Liu Haibo was a college graduate.

"Liu Yi, a doctor from the Luuyuan District Hospital, was in his
thirties when he was tortured to death in this devil's hole.
Twenty-three practitioners were tortured to death there. I knew many of
them. The police simply buried their bodies in a hole. Xiang Min, a
pretty Dafa practitioner, was carried back after a round of torture.
She told me that the police sexually harassed her by touching her
bottom while giving her electric shocks. Close to 30 practitioners were
tortured to death in that round of arrests.

"It took them over two hours to drive me to this notorious place on a
mountain. I heard them stop the car. Then they dragged me out, beating
me up at the same time. The police kept cursing me and said they would
torture me to death that day. They bumped me into trees and I stumbled
my way to a building after 10 minutes or so. We went upstairs and
downstairs, eventually entering a room. They took the cloth bag off of
my head. The police said, "Let's wait and see how you die today. Nobody
has walked out of here alive!" I was in a small room of about 50 square
feet. There was a small desk with three long electric batons with claws
on them. There was also a rope and a bed. Later, I found out that the
bed was for the police to lie down and rest while cursing us, when they
got tired from beating us up. I saw a tiger bench and many police busy
preparing to torture me. I heard wind blowing angrily. Next, a few
police forced me onto the tiger bench. They tied me to the bench with
my hands cuffed behind my back and behind the bench. They fastened the
iron rods at the side of the tiger bench till I couldn't move and they
tied down my ankles with two large iron rings. Every five minutes, they
would start a round of torture on me. They moved my arms back and
forth, and I could hear my bones cracking. The huge pain made me almost
faint. My sweat and tears came immediately from the pain. They pushed
my head toward my legs. Because I was tied down on the tiger bench, I
felt my neck bones breaking and the iron rods piercing into my breast
and stomach. I was about to suffocate every second. They tied ropes on
the iron rings and pulled the ropes harshly. My ankles hurt so much.
Pains all over my body made me tremble. They repeated the torture like
this every five minutes. My sweat and tears and blood soaked my hair
and clothing. Later, I fainted because of the unbearable pain. They
then poured cold water or boiling water on me to wake me up. The
boiling water burned my whole body badly. I couldn't stand the slow
killing and huge sufferings. I wished they would kill me with a gun.

"After inhumanely torturing me over four hours on the tiger bench,
which had rendered me rather weak, they put an iron barrel on my head.
Each of the seven police smoked three cigarettes at the same time and
puffed smoke into the barrel. This was suffocating and I fainted. They
poured cold water on me. When I was barely awake, they used the burning
cigarettes to scorch my eyeballs. I would struggle a little when I
began to gain consciousness. After that, they punched my head, face,
nose, and teeth. They knocked out my two incisor teeth. My face swelled
up and turned to dark purple. They also pierced my ears using thin
sticks. I couldn't hear anything for the next two weeks. Eventually,
they wore themselves out from torturing me and went to sleep at 2 a.m.
"In March of 2002, they tortured me three times within 17 days in that
devil's hole. Each time, the torture was more brutal. The last two
times happened at midnight. Each time, seven or eight police came and
took me from the cell and sent me back barely alive. One time, the
police didn't want the others to see how badly I was tortured. They
dressed me up in thick clothing. However, blood still came out. Then
the police dressed me with more clothing but the blood soaked the
clothing again. Practitioners there couldn't go to sleep because of the
horror and concern over fellow practitioners.

"The police 'interrogated' all the practitioners on the 6-10 Office's
blacklist everyday. They tied up each practitioner, put a cloth bag
over the heads and cuffed the hands behind the backs. Then they would
throw them into the trunk of the police car and drive to the mountain
to the devil's hole where they viciously tortured them.

"The relentless torture destroyed my body and health. They had to lie
about my poor condition to get the No. 3 Detention Center to accept me.
On the following day, I was sent to the Provincial Hospital and then
the No. 3 Military Hospital for physical examination. The results
indicated that my body had sustained injury nearly everywhere and was
in a critical condition, and thus I did not meet the minimum health
standard to be detained. That afternoon, police had taken Ms. Guo
Shuaishuai and me back to the prison hospital and launched a new bout
of persecution there. We were tied onto a bed. Police injected me with
some drug, which has made me unable to feel my legs ever since. My legs
became ice-cold and completely numb.

"Practitioner Jiang Yong was persecuted here, too. He passed away after
seven months of torture. Police also injected him with an unidentified
drug and drew a large tube of blood from him every day. These
injections and blood drawing emaciated Yong. He died during a
force-feeding.

"It was terrible to witness the entire process of a person being
tortured to death. The guards continuously force-fed Ms. Guo for over
two months; the hard feeding tube was left in her throat the entire
time. Refusing to accept the force-feeding, Ms. Guo swallowed down the
1.5-meter feeding tube. She tossed and turned in bed due to the
excruciating pain. The prison hospital refused to release her in fear
of her exposing the evil persecution, so it intensified the torture.
Guo and I were stripped naked and tied with limbs spread apart on a
bed. Police and male inmates lewdly stared at us everyday. One male
prison doctor pinched and struck Ms. Guo's vagina. Unable to bear the
extreme torture, Mrs. Guo swallowed the spoon that was inserted into
her mouth. She again tossed and turned in bed due to the pain. The
prison doctor cut open her stomach to retrieve the spoon. He
deliberately made an unnecessarily long incision, stretching from the
chest all the way to the vagina. He roughly sutured the extremely long
cut and sent Ms. Guo to die at home. Ms. Guo never recovered from the
barbarous physical and psychological torture.

"Ms. Zhao Xiaoqin and I were sent to the prison hospital the same day.
6-10 officers knocked her unconscious and pushed her down the stairs.
The fall broke her left arm, caused a bump the size of a bowl on her
head, and made her insane. To this day she cannot speak. The prison
doctor did not change the cast on her arm the entire summer.
Consequently, her arm festered, and bugs crawled around it. Seeing Ms.
Zhao's suffering broke my heart. I also witnessed other atrocities in
this persecution. We, the female practitioners, were all stripped naked
and tied with limbs spread apart on a bed board for over 26 days. We
suffered incessant humiliation and sexual assault from male police,
doctors, and inmates.

"I was transferred back to the No. 3 Detention Center for refusing to
renounce Falun Gong. The Detention Center refused to accept me, because
it heard that I would die soon, and it feared to take responsibility
for my death. Outraged police then hung me on a door for six hours and
beat me. I was taken back to the prison hospital for more persecution.
I went on a hunger strike to protest. On the 50th day, a prison doctor
cut open my vein and placed an IV needle in it. My blood seeped out and
stained the bed and floor. Already accustomed to the bloody
persecution, the police and prison doctors were not at all disturbed by
my excessive bleeding. Each day, they administered 10 bottles of
unidentified thick fluid to me. They left me to urinate and defecate on
the bed-I lay in a pool of urine and feces for over 50 days. The full
extent of the misery is beyond description. My veins collapsed due to
the hunger strike, so the thick fluid could not pass through. The head
surgeon just shook the bottle and squeezed the fluid into my vein. I
passed out many times because of the excruciating pain."

Mr. Yang Guang, another practitioner, suffered even more frightening
persecution. I quote part of the letter a witness wrote to me:

"Yang Guang, who lived in Changchun City, Jilin Province, has been
illegally detained since January 2000 and has suffered severe torture
under the hands of Director Liang and officers in the Changchun Public
Security Bureau. He was tortured with electric batons, tiger bench,
straightjacket, hanging from the ceiling, plastic-bag suffocation, and
force-feeding of strong alcohol. Persecutors occasionally torture him
for 40 hours on end. The torture gave Mr. Yang a deaf left ear,
disabled arms, paralysis from the waist down, necrosis in his right
hip, a broken right leg, deformed feet, festered toes, kidney failure,
and hydrothorax (fluids accumulated in his chest). Despite his
life-threatening condition, Mr. Yang was sentenced to 15 years in the
Jilin prison.

"Mr. Yang is held in the so-called naked district, which is the prison
section for disabled inmates. Here inmates are forbidden to wear pants
all year long, so that cleaning is kept minimal. Inmates made the
paralyzed Mr. Yang a special wheelchair out of steel pipes, four
casters, and boards for the back and sides. The seat has a hole in the
center, like a toilet seat. Whenever Mr. Yang needs to go to the
restroom, inmates would push his chair to the bathroom. Because of the
side boards on the chair and his disabled arms, Mr. Yang cannot clean
himself afterwards. Urine, feces, and foul odor enshroud Mr. Yang all
year long. This naked district receives no sunlight. The conditions are
utterly inhumane. This district is boiling hot in the summer and
freezing cold in the winter. The space for sleeping is less than 60 cm
(23 in.) wide. The food is disgusting and extremely lean.

"When Mr. Yang needs cleaning, inmates wheel him to the water room and
spray him with a pressure hose, and wipe him with a mop that has nails
sticking out. Inmates call this a "cosmetic shower." The prison
authorities subjected Mr. Yang to these intolerable conditions to force
him to renounce Falun Gong. Mr. Yang, however, remained firm in his
belief. He was put into solitary confinement. He was let out only when
he was on the brink of death. Mr. Yang was then transferred to a
special district in the Tiebei Prison in Changchun. He was given
absolutely no medical treatment. Nonetheless, the prison still extorts
1,000 yuan (approximately $125) a month from Mr. Yang's family.

"Mr. Yang only has an 86-year-old mother in his home who does not know
that her son has been tortured to such a horrid extent. Whenever she
sees people, she would sadly implore 'Guang is a good person. Where is
he now, I want my son!' Mr. Yang's wife divorced him, because there is
no income to support the family. Mr. Yang has also suffered extreme
psychological pain. Relatives demanded his release, but the Prison, the
Ministry of Justice, and the Prison Management Bureau refused."

Dalian practitioner, Chang Xuexia, is a graceful and quiet girl. She
lowered her head in shame while recounting her painful and humiliating
experience in a labor camp: "I was arrested for the first time for
appealing for Falun Gong. I was illegally detained for 39 days in a
rehabilitation center in Dalian. In January 2003, the authorities again
tried to force me to renounce Falun Gong. They locked me in a small
metal cage and brought in a variety of instruments of torture. Ms. Wang
Yalin, the main persecutor of Falun Gong practitioners in the center,
goaded several inmates to hang me by the wrists with my feet barely
touching the floor. Wang ordered inmates to 'Fix her well, all of you!'


"The swarm of inmates struck and kicked me from every side. I passed
out. They dropped me on the floor and forcefully stepped on my face and
arm to see if I was faking. When I woke up, I could not move my left
arm, for my elbow was dislocated. Inmates who refused to torture me
were transferred and their sentences extended. I was hung up again.
This time inmates put Teacher's picture inside my underwear, and wrote
blasphemous words against Falun Dafa and Teacher on my face. They also
beat me with a hard wooden plank. The bruises have not yet faded after
a whole year.

"I still refused to renounce Falun Dafa. They stripped me naked, and
several inmates began pinching my breasts, plucking my pubic hair, and
stabbing my vagina. They used a brush that usually cleaned the water
tank. They then put a basin under my lower body to see if I was
bleeding. Since no blood came out, the inmates switched to a larger
brush and repeatedly stabbed my vagina with it. I could not bear the
excruciating pain any longer and succumbed to their demand of not doing
the Falun Gong exercises in the camp.

"What I had suffered in the camp was not the most brutal. Another
practitioner named Ms. Wang Lijun was tortured in the small metal cage
three times. Inmates tied many knots on a thick rope and pulled it back
and forth in a sawing motion across her vagina. Her entire lower body
swelled up. The head police then ordered inmates to jab her swollen
vagina with the thorny end of a broken mop stick. This torture caused
Ms. Wang's vagina to bleed profusely. Her abdomen and vagina were so
swollen that she could not pull up her pants, or sit, or urinate. Ms.
Wang still could not sit upright two months after the sexual torture.
Her legs were also disabled. I also witnessed these inmates applying
this same torture on a virgin. The head police officer also put
venomous bugs on female practitioners' bodies."

"My name is Wei Chun (alias). I am 35 years old and live in Dalian. I
started to practice Falun Gong in 1998. Because Falun Gong teaches
people to live the principles of 'Truthfulness, Compassion, and
Forbearance,' I have improved greatly, both mentally and physically. I
can forgive others easily and elevate my moral character at the same
time. In July 1999, the government started to oppress Falun Gong. I
could not ignore its abuse of our basic human rights, so I went to
Beijing to appeal for Falun Gong in March 2000. When I got on the
train, I was stopped and asked by a policeman to say abusive words
about Mr. Li Hongzhi. I refused, and so I was arrested. Afterwards, I
knew that whoever traveled to Beijing at that time, whether by train or
by bus, had to say some abusive words about Mr. Li or Falun Dafa,
otherwise they would not be allowed to travel.

"I was taken to the Dalian Drug Rehabilitation Center, and detained for
seven days. When I was sent back to my work place, my supervisors
demoted me to cleaning the factory in the morning and reflecting on my
mistakes in the afternoon. They wanted me to renounce my belief and
write statements slandering Falun Gong. I refused, so I was forced to
quit my job. In April 2000, I found other employment. On March 15,
2001, Chen Xin and other policemen from the No. 1 Division of Dalian
Public Security Bureau abducted me from my work place. They did not
allow me to sleep for five days and nights. My hands were handcuffed
behind my back the entire time. They put lit cigarettes into my
nostrils and mouth. My mouth was filled with cigarettes. At one time, a
policeman hit my head with an iron club. Afterwards, I was sent to the
Dalian Detention Center and sentenced to labor for two years. On May
18, I was sent to the Fifth Team at the Dalian Labor Camp for
reeducation.

"On June 4, Mr. Liu Yonglai, Mr. Qu Fei, Mr. Huang Wenzhong, and myself
were brought to the 4th floor. We were to be forced to defame Mr. Li
and Falun Dafa. If we did not do so, they would punish us with electric
shocks. If we did so, they would take us downstairs to write the 'three
letters' defaming Falun Gong and Mr. Li, criticizing ourselves, and
pledging not to practice Falun Gong again. They took off all of Liu
Yonglai's and my clothes, and handcuffed us together face to face. They
used six electric batons on both of us, and shocked us on our heads,
backs, thighs, genitals, both sides of our chests, and necks. We
clenched our teeth, and struggled to avoid the electric shocks. As a
result of struggling, the handcuffs became progressively tighter. They
eventually cut into our flesh and down to our bones. It was extremely
painful and we bled a lot.

"The electric shocks continued for about one hour, and then they
separated us. They handcuffed Liu's hands behind his back, and made him
crawl on the grass. They put two chairs on his back and asked two
criminals to sit on the chairs. Then, another six criminals used six
fully charged electric batons and repeatedly shocked his back,
buttocks, neck, calves, soles of his feet, and genitals at the same
time. They even pulled out his penis to shock it separately. As for me,
I was tied to a chair. The legs of the chair, and the back of the chair
were both tied with several electric batons. Then, they tightly tied me
on the back of the chair with a rope. Another criminal held an electric
baton to my head. Six batons were used to simultaneously shock me. My
entire body was in convulsions. I felt that I would rather be dead than
alive. I cried out in despair. My hopeless cries could be heard
throughout the entire building. There were many Falun Gong
practitioners on the 2nd and 3rd floors. It is said that they all wept
upon hearing my shrill cries.

"The torture continued for about an hour. Then, I exchanged places with
Liu. He was forced to sit on the electric shocking chair while I
crawled on the grass. Again, I was shocked with six electric batons at
the same time for about one hour. I felt that I could no longer bear
it, but I'd rather die than betray my belief, my conscience and not
defame my Master and Falun Dafa. So I started to hit the ground with my
head in hopes of inducing unconsciousness. Every time the six electric
batons touched me at the same time, I felt as if ten thousand arrows
had simultaneously been shot into my heart.

"I felt that I had died several times. After the electric batons ran
out, they would change to new ones with more voltage. I finally started
to fear, so at last I submitted. Later, Liu could no longer endure it,
either. He also submitted. The policemen who led the criminals to shock
us were Qiao Wei, Zhu Fengshan, Jing Dianke and others. I don't
remember all the criminals' names. Afterwards, I was told that when
Huang Wenzhong was shocked, his face was burned and bloody. Qu Fe's
cheeks were beaten with shoes so severely that they swelled up like a
bread loaf. After we were taken downstairs, we wrote the Guarantee
Statements to renounce Falun Dafa. When we went back to the team, we
had to write a full page with the same three sentences every day,
defaming Master Li and Falun Gong. Meanwhile, we had to shout the three
statements out every day. It was strangling my soul. The pain it
brought to me was far greater than the torture to my body. But if we
opposed it or refused to do so, we would be taken to the 4th floor to
be shocked until we submitted again.

"Afterwards, a Falun Gong practitioner called Li in class 3 could not
endure the spiritual torture and chose to commit suicide by hanging
himself. He was rescued. At that time, I did not want to live another
moment. I was too humiliated. I did not want to endure the electric
shocks anymore. I was afraid that I could not bear them. Nevertheless,
I did not want to do such immoral things as defame our Master and Falun
Dafa. I told Liu that if any practitioner dared to give his life, the
guards would not dare not to persecute us like this. He said that he
would sacrifice his life for the others. One day, when we were cleaning
outdoors, Liu walked to the 3rd floor from the back of the building and
jumped down head first. He died instantly. Soon thereafter, many Falun
Gong practitioners recanted everything they wrote and said that what
they had written violated their conscience, the facts were twisted due
to torture and were invalid. They would firmly protect their belief and
the truth. Because of this, the police put these practitioners who had
recanted the three statements into the same class and put them into
forced labor. They got up at 5:00 a.m. and worked until 11:00 p.m.
every day. Then, they sent these nine practitioners to Guanshan Labor
Camp to start a new cycle of persecution.

"I realized that I could not cooperate with the guards any longer, so I
stopped wearing a prison uniform, stopped marching, stopped singing,
and started a hunger strike to protest the persecution. The whole class
also started a hunger strike to protest with me. We were later
separated, and I was sent to the third brigade where I continued the
hunger strike. When a chief prosecutor asked me why I started a hunger
strike, I said that I had no other means, as no court dares to accept
my case. They are all Jiang Zemin's judges and courts, and no one dares
to represent us. I can only use my life to protest the persecution
against me, to protest Jiang Zemin and the government's persecution of
Falun Gong. I have a son. When my son asks me in the future, 'What did
you do during that most severe persecution of just people.' I don't
want to tell him that I submitted. I want to be a person that would
'rather die with honor than survive in disgrace.' On the 15th day of my
hunger strike, they released me on October 24, using the excuse that I
needed outside medical treatment in fear that I might die in the
reformatory."

As we listened to those who had escaped death in this persecution, one
by one, we were suffocating. Some of the true stories were told by
those who had escaped death from the persecution several times. Their
stories would move even a devil to tears. The unprecedented and
unrivalled bloody scenes, the vicious, inhuman natures, the most
disastrous torture techniques-all were so vividly terrifying. Facing
these fellow countrymen, while they peacefully shared their stories of
the barbaric persecution one after another, we must ask of those who
wear the nation's emblem and the country's uniform to maintain the
peace: "In the past six of the 60 years of communist rule, how many
such inhuman acts have you perpetrated and concealed?"

Where did our system fail? It has bred so many vicious public officials
who live among us, have been supported by us, who were raised by
parents like ours, and have families like ours! The tragic experience
of our fellow countrymen fully illustrates that, in our society, there
is a group of public officials who persistently disregard the basic
moral values of human society, and have been continuously using methods
that are completely distant from basic human morality and human nature.
They covertly scheme their dirty deals that are causing the very
destruction of our nation's human nature, basic morals, kindness and
conscience. All fellow countrymen, including Hu Jintao and Wen Jiabo
must admit that none of us can deny that our system is constantly and
progressively creating such a shameful reality. And such a reality
reveals the totally immoral character of our system.

Hu, Wen and all fellow Chinese countrymen: it is a time of
introspection for our nation! There isn't a people on this planet or in
all of history that have suffered on such a large scale, enduring such
a severe and disastrous persecution in peacetime because of their
faith. This ongoing disaster has cost thousands of innocent people
their valuable lives, and hundreds of thousands of people have been
deprived of their freedom. The facts that we have seen showed us that
all those who have been deprived of their freedom have also suffered
bodily devastation and spiritual torment that is unbelievable to the
civilized world. This completely inhuman persecution has caused over
100 million Falun Gong followers and their families to suffer from
subpoena and threats, deprivation of employment, work opportunities and
income, confiscation of assets to various extents, and a persecution
that extends to various other means. How absurd, dangerous, and immoral
this is! This is a continuous fight against the entire Chinese people,
human civilization, and the moral foundation of all the world's people!


The situations with my law office and entire family are making clear
the ongoing severe situation in China today: one who insists on telling
the truth must pay the price. The country continually uses violent
means to warn people publicly that the desire to understand and tell
the truth is extremely dangerous.

In countries with civilized systems, the truth is in the hands of those
who have the political power and resources. The understanding of the
value of truth is the scale used for judging a regime's civilization
and morality. But in the current Chinese society, the ability of the
government in obtaining the truth is completely different. I have
painfully observed that living together and maturing with the political
regime has been the regime's mechanism for concealing the truth. This
situation makes the regime completely unable to know the truth. The
regime has completely lost the necessary moral condition for knowing
the truth. It has destroyed that moral condition completely.

People like Ms. Wang Yuhuan and others who suffered in labor camps
personally witnessed time after time the following. When higher
authorities came to inspect, all the camps had an ironclad rule: gather
those who might tell the truth, like Wang Yuhuan, to a place where the
inspectors cannot find them. The common rule is: the visiting leaders
leave with the "truth" that they have personally "seen" and "heard."
When the iron gate closes behind the leaders, the crimes against our
innocent fellow countrymen will quickly start again. The facts indicate
that there is a coordinated collusion between the inspector and the
inspected, both of whom know the truth without spelling it out.

Now that the regime has lost the capability of obtaining the real
facts, the investigation conducted by citizens themselves becomes
completely legitimate and necessary, because the value of real facts is
associated with the future of our nation and is closely associated with
each individual who lives in this nation. We have the right to know how
the power of this regime is linked to our people. We have the right to
know how this persecution began six years ago. How could a country make
such an immoral decision? Within these six years, how did the
authorities carry out this decision? What did the country do? Within
these six years, exactly how many of our innocent citizens have been
illegally imprisoned behind the high walls? What exactly has happened
behind that high walls? What is still going on today? Obtaining the
answers to these questions is the fundamental moral obligation for the
people of this country. Here we must emphasize that the government's
cover-up of the truth is already worthless and is no longer an issue of
only immorality. Those who have witnessed the facts will eventually
enter society. In fact, many of them are already walking among people,
tirelessly revealing the true facts.

Chinese government, you must realize that you are a government. Only in
this way can you deal with the disastrous reality from the standpoint
of a government, in the manner of a government, and through the logical
actions of a government. Only in this way can we avoid tragedies like
the Tiananmen Square Massacre, the bloody persecution of Falun Gong, or
the recent shooting of farmers in Guangzhou. Nevertheless, we have to
face such a reality often. The reality is that over a long period,
similar crimes towards innocent people have been repeatedly committed
without any reason. In response to the desperate anguish that disasters
have brought to the people, the Chinese government has always been
silent and has even suppressed the suffering people through brutality.

Our investigation has shown that, when facing the believers that are
almost all "headstrong and refuse to transform," those responsible for
"transforming" these individuals have completely lost their humanity.
As a result, they treat those being transformed unscrupulously to the
point of committing all manners of crimes. The whole system has
exhibited insanity driven by desperation as the suppression has lasted
six years without any success. The recent horrifying incident in which
the policeman He Xuejian raped two female Falun Gong practitioners in
Tunzhong City, Hebei province in front of his colleagues, is a clear
example.
From several investigations, I have found that in their need to
suppress the innocent, police can resort to any heinous crimes to
achieve the goal of transformation. In the inhumane persecution against
these believers, the Chinese police have completely become
criminalized. They no longer have a conscience nor do they have any
consciousness for law or justice; instead, they take for granted that
their responsibility is to chop up people like fish or meat. In the
prison within their jurisdiction, a cucumber can be sold to inmates for
a price of 25 yuan (about $3), a roasted-chicken can sell for up to a
few hundred yuan. Even the sleeping space that originally belongs to
public property is turned into tradable merchandise in the hands of the
people's police. Every space as wide as a person's shoulder can be sold
at a price up to 2,000 yuan (about $250) per month. Many prisoners in
the labor camp without money continue to be treated inhumanely in the
night by having to sleep vertically on their sides.

Not only do the Chinese police have no morality, but they have also
completely lost the fundamental sense of shame that is characteristic
of a human being. In this investigation, another disgusting source of
crime in our society is the system of re-education through labor, which
has brought numerous disasters to our nation in the last half-century.
The system of re-education through labor, a dirty business conducted by
the Chinese State Council, has openly insulted and offensively treaded
upon our constitutional principles; it has survived regardless. In
human history, no government of any other nation can behave like the
Chinese State Council, which completely disregards its own
constitution. Since the birth of the country's constitution, the system
of re-education through labor has always placed it in an embarrassing
position. This demonstrates the Chinese government's lawlessness and
also proves their so-called "ruling the country by law" as nothing but
a hoax.

Besides the Constitution of China, a series of fundamental laws that
were ratified later, including the Legislation Law of the People's
Republic of China, Law of the People's Republic of China on
Administrative Penalty, Administrative License Law Of the People's
Republic of China, etc. all explicitly exclude the possibility of the
Chinese State Council gaining the power to deprive people of their
freedom. Fundamentally, the system of re-education through labor is the
most illegal form of malpractice that prevents China from achieving the
rule of law. It is the biggest enemy of the Constitution of China and
of the fundamental laws and principles. It opposes the pursuit of the
Chinese people for a China ruled by law.

Our investigation has shown that the system of re-education by labor,
in its illegal deprivation of freedom, has been abusive beyond
imagination. The elderly women Wang Yuhuan and Sun Shuxiang have been
illegally arrested and detained nine times in six years. The procedure
for re-education through labor is so informal and poorly enforced that
it might as well be a joke. The true facts have revealed the shocking
abuse of power as well as the complete lack of morality! Today is the
time when a confession to our nation must be made. I must especially
emphasize that if this evil crime does not stop, then the interrogation
of our nation by people like Gao Chengzhi will continue. The day when
Chinese society becomes stable and harmonious will not arrive. People
have lost their patience with power-abusers who cast aside their
conscience day and night. The storm of protests created by these people
is constantly shaking the country's foundation and rocking what people
have been used to for decades. How could anyone ignore this phenomenon?


Through my experience of continuously communicating with those citizens
who are firm in their beliefs, I have truly seen the existence of
something most precious to our nation today. Those who can calmly
describe with a smile their experiences of dealing with the dreadful
process of being persecuted have shaken my soul. I was often moved to
tears. In our nation, I have finally seen the spirit that remains
faithful and unyielding, holding onto the intangible quality of
principles.

The tribulation in the last six years has created a large group of
people who have this unmatchable and noble human dignity. Their
firmness towards faith, the way they treat the brutal custody with
scorn, as well as their optimism that our nation will have a beautiful
future earns one's deep respect. Another trend we found in our
investigation is that every Falun Gong follower who has stepped out of
custody, no matter how long he or she was in custody, becomes more
faithful. The most typical example is Ms. Han from Fuxin City, Liaoning
province, who was arrested and placed in custody several times. After
being released from a brutal custody that lasted for a few years, the
head of the local police station tried to make her promise not to
practice Falun Gong any more. To this, she told the policeman, who
represents the people's government, firmly yet peacefully: "Even if you
arrest me one hundred times, I will still continue to practice. The
fact that we practice is nothing wrong, let alone a crime. After I
returned home from custody, through constantly telling our family
members and the people around me the truth about Falun Dafa, over
thirty of them have joined the practice."

This time, during my stay with the Falun Gong group, I also found
another delightful fact. In contrast to the current situation where the
humanity, conscience, morality, compassion, and responsibility of our
society is suffering an overall deterioration, these cultivators, as a
group reborn from the old nation, have impacted all of these areas in a
positive way. One can feel the powerful way in which faith can change
one's soul. Indeed it has allowed me to see a spark of hope for
rescuing our nation from its current depraved state.

Through my acquaintance with these believers, I was deeply moved by
their calmness when narrating their unprecedented calamity, their
compassion toward those that tortured them, and their optimism towards
our nation's future. These people take fame and profit very lightly.
They continue to quietly assist fellow practitioners whose lives are in
danger due to the ruthless oppression. Their patience in assisting the
vulnerable children or the elderly relatives of Falun Gong
practitioners, who were either illegally detained or killed, is beyond
a typical human being's imagination or understanding. How one's belief
has such a strong influence over one's soul and morality is
unbelievable.

For instance, Zhu Xiaoguang, who is 33 years old, told me that when he
was first thrown in the prison, malicious interactions among inmates
were the only type of communication. People there gained the upper hand
by being more ruthless than the others. No one wanted to be tamed or
required to exercise any self-restraint. Later on, Falun Gong
practitioners miraculously cleansed the prisoners' souls and guided 100
people to begin practicing Falun Gong. He said, "I calmed myself
through a complete transformation of my spirit." As a result, many new
inmates were dumbfounded to find kind and helping hands in place of
"tone-down lessons" upon their arrival at the prison.

The experience of Zhang Linyou, a former policeman in Kungchuling
Detention Center, was even more astonishing. He told me that practicing
Falun Gong led him to become the only policeman in that gigantic prison
who stopped torturing prisoners and turned down any bribes. He said
that he was under constant agony the first year he decided to quit his
bad habits. It was extremely painful for him to see his colleagues
accept bribery and to resist the temptation when he himself was short
of money! He proudly told me that cultivation completely transformed
his soul! Later on the 60 inmates under his charge were very grateful
to him and believed that all the Chinese police should practice Falun
Gong. If that happened, the prisoners said, the Chinese police would
become the most civilized in the world. Nevertheless, Zhang Linyou was
later illegally sentenced to forced labor and dismissed from his job
for practicing Falun Gong.

Yet we are distressed to see that the transformation of people in China
is going in the opposite direction. Public political pressures and
temptation have annihilated the last trace of kindness in the police.
The evil side of human beings is rapidly dominating their behavior,
while a basic conscience is no longer valued. The police are, in fact,
victims of this fanatical movement to eliminate human nature.

Belief and morality are the most important elements for securing the
longevity and advancement of a nation. What our nation has missed the
most over the last few decades is the underlying belief that upholds
and enhances our nation's moral values. This is the cause of China's
continued chaos for the past few decades. Hence, for the long-term well
being of our country, one must grant and protect people's freedom of
belief. Only through transforming people's hearts can we create a world
with hope. What our government has been doing in the past six years is
utilizing violent and barbaric tactics to impede our nation from
striving towards a bright future.
martus
2005-12-19 08:19:00 UTC
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And these heinous criminal who practise this peaceful religion are then
cut apart and their organs sold to the western world when they are of
no further use in the state run factories!

Just be the law abiding citizen that we define and you "should" be ok.

Trust us we the government will not let you down!

And the dragon spewed it's bile over the western world and the
governments lapped it up.

End times:
http://mart1963.tripod.com/index.htm
_______________________________________________________________________________________________________
Australians receive inmate organs

19dec05
UP to seven Australians have received kidney transplants from death-row
prisoners executed in China, according to a report.

The recipients are among dozens of Australians who have travelled
overseas and paid up to $50,000 for organ transplants.

At least two people from NSW have received kidney transplants in recent
years believed to have come from executed prisoners in China, The Daily
Telegraph reports.

Three Victorians and one patient from South Australia and Queensland
are understood to also have undergone the procedure.

Monash Medical Centre's Dr Ian Main said a blow-out in Australian
waiting lists for kidneys meant people were now willing to take their
chances with overseas transplants.

A number of those who have had the operations have become seriously
ill and suffered infections or other complications.
martus
2006-01-01 03:58:40 UTC
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Martial Law: Drills, Drills & More Drills

Nancy Levant

In spite of the fact that monkeys continue to cover their eyes,
ears, and mouths, they are still glued to their TV sets, and you can
bet these Darwinian primates are getting nervous along with the rest of
us. Martial law is being heavily practiced in the United States.

It has now been decided that being forced to show your bags,
purses, and ID's upon command is not unconstitutional. You can be
arrested, as an American citizen, for failure to do so. The line
between police, military, FEMA, eco-dictators, and Homeland Security
personnel has blurred, and we are vulnerable to the powers of them all.
But why?

If we listen to the media, which is, of course, the orchestrated
and desired state of affairs, we are told of impending economic
disaster, impending terrorist threats to the homeland, impending
pandemics, impending eco-weather super storms, and impending mass power
grid failures. Hmmm...and all in step with the Martial Law system that
has been fully set into place and stone via many, many Executive
Orders. Hmmm... Looks like all that's needed to release that beast is
another good catastrophe and, according to our media, a good many are
in the wings.

The other angle of this story, however, is not mentioned on
corporate TV - that being the one-world governance slant. They
don't talk about one-world government on television. They don't
talk about Agenda 21 or its partnering/stakeholding bureaucracies or
the Biosphere Reserves and their direct-connect to the United Nations,
World Bank, and World Trade Organization. They don't talk about the
taking down of the Christian religion and the dumbing down of American
children. They don't talk about the Socialist take-over of the
American public school system. They don't talk about manufactured
super viruses, the intent to draft female children, or mandatory
military service into global armies.

Corporate media does not report on the nearly complete
judicial/political movement to disassemble the United States
Constitution. Nor do they report on George Washington University's
intent to replace our Constitution with a Communitarian-based
constitution - a hybrid Communist-Socialist government and its
mandatory compliance. Corporate media does not report the facts and
specific details of the Patriot Act II.

No, corporate media does not report on one-world governance
because, if they did, they would have to tell the American populace
that the American government is no longer in the hands of the American
people. They would have to tell them, that for decades and decades,
their votes were manipulated and that all candidates in the last 50
years (or many more) were well paid and connected globalist planners
and/or prostitutes.

Equally, media would have to tell the American people that they
were to be forced into Socialist governance using military-style force.
They would have to tell the people to turn over their private property,
their guns, their gods, their children, their sick and infirmed, their
rights to mobility, and their rights to all dissension. They would have
to tell the people that their Constitution was trumped and buried by
the very people they elected with waving flag in hand.

The corporate media would have to report on the North American
Sector - the new collective global/political region of
Canada-America-Mexico-Central America. And they would also have to tell
the American people about the stakeholding/regionalization connection
- the replacement governing system for counties and local
jurisdictions, which specifically eliminates voting. And they would
have to tell the people about the herding of the masses into
eco-villages, communitarian housing, corporate live-work units, or
collectives, so to speak. You know, the ones with the built-in policing
services (C.O.P.S. = Community Oriented Policing Services - look it
up).

They would have to report on the cross-training of national
militaries, in preparation for one-law-fits-all governance
(Cross-training is interesting as one might assume that American boys
and girls might be hesitant to fire upon their friends, families, and
fellow citizens. However, soldiers from other countries - especially
American-despising nations - would, no doubt, easily solve that
potential problem).

Corporate media doesn't like to report on the patenting of
genetically modified food or animals, either - almost as much as they
dislike reporting on mandatory and tainted vaccines - as in be
vaccinated or be arrested or vaccinate your children or lose your
children. And speaking of children, media skips the part about the
complete elimination of American history and Constitution studies,
because they would have to explain to the people that American history
and Constitution are eliminated, and that the new global citizens, your
children, are now being trained for his and her work detail.

Corporate media does not mention "humane" global population
reduction - the scientific mastering of euthanasia and super viruses
manufactured by scientists who, globally, wind up mysteriously dying or
disappearing. And media has never touched the subject of Agenda 21 and
its ties to the largest "environmental" non-profits and agencies in
the world, who own more global land than entire governments, and who
have all called for massive global population reduction.

So, here's my point - why, you ask, are Martial Law drills
being practiced in all states? Why does America, the land of the free,
have staffed and readied detention camps in most, if not all, states?
And why does the media not report on the most historic and compelling
news in American history? I'll tell you why. Because we are being
conquered by corporate/financial manipulation - clearly - and
planned catastrophes are the mode and means to the end.

"Catastrophe," and perhaps "global catastrophe," will
continue to switch on a complete Martial Law take-over and control of
the American masses. "Catastrophe," we will be told, necessitates
military take-over for our own good. I suggest to you that Martial Law
will ensue for several years to several decades until Americans get
used to the fact that they are under the jurisdiction and control of a
one-world governing body, which is absolutely an oligarchy. And I'm
equally sure that as we degrade in life style, education, and our
individual liberties are completely eliminated, our children will be
raised in a world none the wiser of past freedoms. The beacon of
freedom and freedom for the masses are to be forgotten and eliminated
from the history books - much akin to the elite canon-pickers of days
gone by.

The Baby Boomers are a large part of the current American
population, and we are rapidly aging. The timing of the global
governance take-over and the Martial Law system, in my opinion, is
impeccable. The globalists have done their homework and their system is
masterful. Too bad that we've been kickin' back, drinkin' beer,
getting' high, watchin' the tube, loadin' up our credit cards,
and buyin' $200,000 cracker boxes while the big boys were laughing
all the way to their banking positions, political positions, and
million dollar overseas homes and mansions inside of conservation
corridors - the lands where the masses dare not tread.

Kissinger once referred to the bulk of humanity as "useless
eaters." Perhaps he was being generous. Just don't be surprised
when units of men and women, with new generation weapons, are walking
down Maple Street in Americana, USA, and demanding your papers, cash,
food stores, and houses. Just keep watching TV. It will tell you what
to do when the catastrophe(s) strikes. See you in camp.

______________________________________________________________________


Rev 17:15-18
(15) The angel also said to me, "The waters you saw, on which the
prostitute sits, are nations, peoples, races, and languages.
(16) The ten horns you saw and the beast will hate the prostitute;
they will take away everything she has and leave her naked; they will
eat her flesh and destroy her with fire.
(17) For God has placed in their hearts the will to carry out his
purpose by acting together and giving to the beast their power to rule
until God's words come true.
(18) "The woman you saw is the great city that rules over the kings of
the earth."

End times:
http://mart1963.tripod.com/

martus
2005-09-29 05:02:57 UTC
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Post by martus
Maybe they will get lucky and stop a few of these true terroist getting
on board killing a couple hundred of people but more often than not, it
is not these people they will stop. Meanwhile thousands of their own
citizens are dying or living in hardship due to the lack of
underfunding in their public health systems, welfare organisations and
the increasing cost of education so much so that they need to find
doctors etc from overseas.
Below is an interesting article which shows the benefits of a country
looking after it's citizens.


Finland Again Ranks First Among Global Competitors

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By TOM WRIGHT,
International Herald Tribune
Published: September 29, 2005
GENEVA, Sept. 28 - Nordic countries remain more competitive than those
of any other region, while Japan and the major economies of Europe have
become less so, the World Economic Forum said Wednesday in its annual
study.

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Text of Report (weforum.org)

Complete Rankings (weforum.org) Finland once again ended up in first
place in the World Economic Forum's Global Competitiveness Index, which
ranks 117 countries, while four other Nordic countries made the top 10.
The United States, the world's largest economy, again ended up in
second place.

The study assigned scores to nations by looking at factors like
government economic policy, the strength of local institutions and the
degree to which technology has been used to bolster growth.

Japan fell to 12th place, from 9th; Britain slipped to 13th, from 11th;
Germany dropped to 15th place, from 13th. Spain fell to 23rd, from
29th; and France fell to 30th, from 27th. Italy remained in 47th place,
between Greece and Botswana.

"High labor market rigidities, and, in particular, the ease of hiring
and firing, contribute to explaining why Europe lags behind U.S.
performance," Beatrice Weder di Mauro, an economics professor at Mainz
University, wrote in a paper for the forum. "Improving the flexibility
of labor markets should be high on Europe's reform agenda." Japan's
rating fell because of "the deterioration of its public finances," she
wrote, though it the country more than compensated for it with its
"impressive technology performance."

The Nordic countries, in contrast, drew praise.

Margareta Drzeniek, a senior economist at the World Economic Forum,
said, "The reasons for the strong performance by the Nordic countries
is that they have very transparent systems, high levels of technology
penetration, a well-educated work force and good macroeconomic
management."

African and Latin American nations filled most of the bottom spots,
with Chad in last place. Two of Latin America's largest economies fell
in the rankings: Mexico to 55th place, from 48th, and Brazil to 65th,
from 57th. Chile, however, came in 23rd, outscoring some of the
European Union economies on government transparency.

The performance of the Asian economies was mixed. Many of the so-called
tiger economies in Asia ranked well, with Taiwan in fifth place and
Singapore sixth. Tiger economy countries are nations that achieve high
growth by pursuing an export-driven trade strategy.

One of the biggest gains came in South Korea, which jumped to 17th
place, from 29th last year, in part because of high scores in
technology. The World Economic Forum report said that rapid growth in
China and India, which placed 49th and 50th, respectively, could be
threatened in the long term by factors like poor education systems and
low use of technology. These factors were "likely to slow down their
ascension to the top tier of the most competitive economies in the
world."

China dropped from 46th place, while India rose from 55th. China and
India lagged in the index because of "serious problems" with
corruption, bureaucracy and education, Ms. Drzeniek said.

The high rankings of Finland, Sweden, Denmark, Iceland and Norway
highlighted the countries' ability to foster a climate in which
business can flourish while they also run large social welfare systems.
Their success can in part be explained by high taxes, which most
citizens accept in exchange for free health care and education,
affordable child care and generous unemployment benefits.

But the high taxes have not discouraged entrepreneurs. The World
Economic Forum praised Finland, home to global companies like Nokia, as
"one of the most innovative business environments in the world." The
forum also highlighted Finland's ability to run a budget surplus while
many European countries face large deficits.

The United States remains at the cutting edge of technology, the report
said, citing its "pipeline of innovation second to none in the world."
But a growing budget deficit and other macroeconomic concerns kept it
out of the top spot, according to the report.





End times:

http://mart1963.tripod.com/index.htm
Phillip
2005-09-29 09:06:32 UTC
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Post by martus
"I said something to the effect that 'If this were Northern Ireland, I
would understand,'" McPhee said. "And the police officer said, 'Ma'am,
I'll pretend I didn't hear that, or otherwise I would have to arrest
you.' After that, I didn't say anything."
And arrest her for what? I hate nuns, but at least this one seems to
be able to stand up for her rights. It is now a felony to complain
about the police-state searches at airports? Nevermind that we all
submit to one, but apparently uttering a peep of protest is all it
takes to get us arrested and thrown into Guantanamo Dungeon.
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