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Would Jesus ride the short bus to school?
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Ghamph
2007-12-13 21:50:05 UTC
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Would Jesus ride the short bus to school?

As the Son of God, Jesus certainly must have known that people might
question his divinity, his teachings, his very existence. He was, after all,
omniscient, wasn't he? Why not leave some proof, some brain droppings? What
better proof than writings , documents, in his own hand, if possible, that
clearly and unequivocally demonstrate his existence, his superior knowledge,
his intention for the future, his relationship with his Dad, etc.

I'm sure many Christians will say that he did, and point to the Gospels. But
that's unsatisfactory for any number of reasons.

* First, the Gospels were not written by him. (They weren't written by
Matthew, Mark, Luke and John either, but that's another topic for another
day.) They were written by unknown authors anywhere from 30 to 100 years
after he allegedly died. Why didn't he write his own memoirs?
* Second, they are incomplete. They have little biographical information
in them about his first 30 years, for instance, dwelling on his last three,
and between the four Gospels, they contradict each other in many respects.
Where's an editor when you need one?
* Third, the fact that he was supposedly a carpenter's son, and hence
relatively uneducated, should not have prevented him leaving some evidence
of his own existence. He was god (for god's sake)! He could do anything he
wanted. To point to his apparent illiteracy is a non-starter of an argument
or defense. What's the point of having someone else write his biography,
when an autobiography would have been far more convincing?

So why did he not leave some evidence of his existence? A lock of hair would
be nice. Maybe a photograph? (he could do it, he was GOD after all.)

The obvious answer is.well.obvious, isn't it?

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John said, on August 2nd, 2007 at 2:36 pm

A year or so ago I decided to re-read the 4 Gospels. I can't find my damn
notes on the reading (I'd love to cite examples here).

I found some really interesting contradictions. And, equally, some really
FASCINATING agreement. 2 of the books in particular had many word-for-word
agreements. Anyone who knows anything about plagiarism will quickly realize
what this means.

If you and I see exactly the same event and then write a couple of
paragraphs describing it, the odds against us writing even a single sentence
exactly the same are astronomical. A whole paragraph? For all intents and
purposes - impossible. Now, if you argue that "nothing is impossible for
God", then the problem is that by not doing it consistently, the obvious
impression is left with any reasonable person that some of it was lifted,
either by the original author of one of the books or some scribe at some
later point. Why would God want to deceive you in to seeing plagiarism?

The parts that are contradictory are interesting. Here's one I remember - In
one book the scene from Jesus' burial tomb has certain people coming to it
and greeted by an angel as bright as the sun and another book has different
people as the first to show up there and greeted by a "man". Both man and
angel both give the same basic story that Jesus has risen.

We all know many examples from old and new testaments that we can criticize
on some level. I think these are particularly telling because the 4 Gospels
are the basis of what every Christian believes and fundamentalists will tell
you that it's the absolute unerring word of God. To them I say, how is that
possible based on the above?
duke
2007-12-13 22:20:25 UTC
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Would Jesus ride the short bus to school?
As the Son of God, Jesus certainly must have known that people might
question his divinity, his teachings, his very existence. He was, after all,
omniscient, wasn't he?
Actually, Jesus was fully human, and most professions are that he didn't know of
his divine nature until shortly before his trip to the cross.

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Diana
2007-12-13 22:22:06 UTC
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Would Jesus ride the short bus to school?
As the Son of God, Jesus certainly must have known that people might
question his divinity, his teachings, his very existence. He was, after all,
omniscient, wasn't he?
Actually, Jesus was fully human, and most professions are that he didn't know of
his divine nature until shortly before his trip to the cross.
duke, American-American
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No? Then what was that little episode in the Temple when He was twelve all
about?
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2007-12-13 23:34:18 UTC
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Would Jesus ride the short bus to school?
As the Son of God, Jesus certainly must have known that people might
question his divinity, his teachings, his very existence. He was, after all,
omniscient, wasn't he?
Actually, Jesus was fully human, and most professions are that he didn't know of
his divine nature until shortly before his trip to the cross.
duke, American-American
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No? Then what was that little episode in the Temple when He was twelve all
about?
"duke", Earl continues to prove that he knows NOTHING of the true
nature of God.

All he knows--- all he CARES to know-- is the catechism.
duke
2007-12-13 23:37:13 UTC
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Would Jesus ride the short bus to school?
As the Son of God, Jesus certainly must have known that people might
question his divinity, his teachings, his very existence. He was, after all,
omniscient, wasn't he?
Actually, Jesus was fully human, and most professions are that he didn't know of
his divine nature until shortly before his trip to the cross.
duke, American-American
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No? Then what was that little episode in the Temple when He was twelve all
about?
You mean "being learned". God is *our* Father also. That's doesn't signify his
divinity, which he certainly possessed, but did not necessarily understand "at
the time".


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Would Jesus ride the short bus to school?
As the Son of God, Jesus certainly must have known that people might
question his divinity, his teachings, his very existence. He was, after all,
omniscient, wasn't he?
Actually, Jesus was fully human, and most professions are that he didn't know of
his divine nature until shortly before his trip to the cross.
duke, American-American
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No? Then what was that little episode in the Temple when He was twelve all
about?
You mean "being learned". God is *our* Father also. That's doesn't signify his
divinity, which he certainly possessed, but did not necessarily understand "at
the time"
you're wrong as usual duke, god is not anyone's father, god is nothing more
than the overactive imagination of some superstitious cave dwellers and goat
fuckers
.
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Would Jesus ride the short bus to school?
As the Son of God, Jesus certainly must have known that people might
question his divinity, his teachings, his very existence. He was, after all,
omniscient, wasn't he?
Actually, Jesus was fully human, and most professions are that he didn't know of
his divine nature until shortly before his trip to the cross.
duke, American-American
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No? Then what was that little episode in the Temple when He was twelve all
about?
You mean "being learned". God is *our* Father also. That's doesn't signify his
divinity, which he certainly possessed, but did not necessarily understand "at
the time"
you're wrong as usual duke, god is not anyone's father, god is nothing more
than the overactive imagination of some superstitious cave dwellers and goat
fuckers
They're calling you back to your padded cell, goblin.

duke, American-American
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you're wrong as usual duke, god is not anyone's father, god is nothing more
than the overactive imagination of some superstitious cave dwellers and goat
fuckers
They're calling you back to your padded cell, goblin.
that call's for you duke, they're putting people in padded cells that
believe in sky pixies and believe the sky pixie created the earth, even
though there is NO objectable verifiable evidence of that hapening .
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duke, brainwashed christian moron
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Would Jesus ride the short bus to school?
As the Son of God, Jesus certainly must have known that people might
question his divinity, his teachings, his very existence. He was, after all,
omniscient, wasn't he?
Actually, Jesus was fully human, and most professions are that he didn't know of
his divine nature until shortly before his trip to the cross.
if he was fully human, then he WASN'T the son of a sky pixie. thanks for
admitting that

amazing that very little was written about this jesus character from the
time of his magical birth until the time he was about 30 or so
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Would Jesus ride the short bus to school?
As the Son of God, Jesus certainly must have known that people might
question his divinity, his teachings, his very existence. He was, after all,
omniscient, wasn't he?
Actually, Jesus was fully human, and most professions are that he didn't know of
his divine nature until shortly before his trip to the cross.
if he was fully human, then he WASN'T the son of a sky pixie. thanks for
admitting that
Kindly don't take the word of an ignorant, unread Roman Catholic as
authority.

He knows nothing of the Divine.

All he knows, he read in catechism school.
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amazing that very little was written about this jesus character from the
time of his magical birth until the time he was about 30 or so
Not sure what that proves.

Name me 10 other people from His time who you know ANYTHING about.

The FACT is that we know what we need to know.
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Would Jesus ride the short bus to school?
As the Son of God, Jesus certainly must have known that people might
question his divinity, his teachings, his very existence. He was, after all,
omniscient, wasn't he?
Actually, Jesus was fully human, and most professions are that he didn't know of
his divine nature until shortly before his trip to the cross.
if he was fully human, then he WASN'T the son of a sky pixie. thanks for
admitting that
Kindly don't take the word of an ignorant, unread Roman Catholic as
authority.
He knows nothing of the Divine.
All he knows, he read in catechism school.
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amazing that very little was written about this jesus character from the
time of his magical birth until the time he was about 30 or so
Not sure what that proves.
Name me 10 other people from His time who you know ANYTHING about.
hmmm, name me 10 other GODS or SONS of man during that time.
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The FACT is that we know what we need to know.
yes, we know that the jesus tale is a bunch of horsecrap
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Would Jesus ride the short bus to school?
As the Son of God, Jesus certainly must have known that people might
question his divinity, his teachings, his very existence. He was, after all,
omniscient, wasn't he?
Actually, Jesus was fully human, and most professions are that he didn't know of
his divine nature until shortly before his trip to the cross.
if he was fully human, then he WASN'T the son of a sky pixie. thanks for
admitting that
Kindly don't take the word of an ignorant, unread Roman Catholic as
authority.
He knows nothing of the Divine.
All he knows, he read in catechism school.
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amazing that very little was written about this jesus character from the
time of his magical birth until the time he was about 30 or so
Not sure what that proves.
Name me 10 other people from His time who you know ANYTHING about.
hmmm, name me 10 other GODS or SONS of man during that time.
I could name you dozen of gods, if I wanted to do so.

Open the Bible and you can find as many names of sons of men as you
please.

I asked YOU who YOU know from His time other than Him.

Your answer suggests that you don't know of ANYONE from His time,
but Him, yet you seem so eager to attack Him and His followers!

What have we done to YOU?

Answer: Nothing.


john w
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The FACT is that we know what we need to know.
yes, we know that the jesus tale is a bunch of horsecrap
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yes, we know that the jesus tale is a bunch of horsecrap
Ps 14:1; 53:1
The fool says in his heart, "There is no God ." (NIV)


May God bless,
Carl
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Actually, Jesus was fully human, and most professions are that he didn't know of
his divine nature until shortly before his trip to the cross.
if he was fully human, then he WASN'T the son of a sky pixie. thanks
for admitting that
Kindly don't take the word of an ignorant, unread Roman Catholic as
authority.
Instead they should accept the opinion of a jerk that has no basis for his
opinion other than it makes him warm & gives him a damp spot? What's the
difference between Duke's opinion & yours? They are both based on lack of
study & information.
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He knows nothing of the Divine.
That makes him your intellectual equal, possibly your superior.
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All he knows, he read in catechism school.
Which is more reading on the subject than you can show for yourself.
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amazing that very little was written about this jesus character from
the time of his magical birth until the time he was about 30 or so
Not sure what that proves.
Quite a bit really. People that did things & accomplished things are
noticed in history. It has something to do with his claimed rabbinical
status. He was not a rabbi according to & in spite of the claims found in
the Greek Testaments. No schooling [required], depending on the reader, no
wife, also required. Thirty was the youngest you could be & be a rabbi.
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Name me 10 other people from His time who you know ANYTHING about.
Those I can name are historical, some are even found in the Greek
Testaments.

Philo of Alexandria
Juvenas
Trajan
Augustus Caesar
Apollonius of Tyana [3-97]
Dio Chrysostom [Dion Chrysostom]
Josephus Flavius [Joseph ben Matthius]
Marcus valerius Martialis
Gaius Plinius Secondus
Gaius Plinius Caecilius Secondus
Herod
Herod Agrippia 1
Herod Agrippia II
Herod Antipas
Pilate Pontious
Marcus Fabius Quitilianus
Tiberius Julius Caesar Augustus
Seleucus I Nicator


Each & everyone of the above are historically verified. Now, pretender,
pony up your historical evidence for the hero of your fractured fairy tale,
show the world that you can. Or run as usual.
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The FACT is that we know what we need to know.
Not everyone is as satisfied with a sugar tit as you are. Others have
grown beyond pabulum for their childhood invisible friends.

which wannabe this time jonny, the pretentious snit that likes to pretend
to have information & secret knowledge that he is willing to share with
only those that will ooh & aahh him as he presents his version of what it's
like to be john d weatherly? Those that passed reality 101 need not apply,
they laugh to hard & long for jonny's pleasure.

walksalone who is happy indeed that he passed reality 101, no chance of
becoming a jw clone. Thinking ability is a good immunization against that
terror.

St. John the liar theater, sure.



I don't see any logic to your argument. I see you fell in line behid your
high school philosophy teacher, and you stopped thinking for
yourself. Atheism is laughably shallow!
There are both internal and external evidences for the Bible, and
documentation that Christ lived. There is historical justification for
believing that Christ lived and that He started the Christian faith.

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Would Jesus ride the short bus to school?
As the Son of God, Jesus certainly must have known that people might
question his divinity, his teachings, his very existence. He was, after all,
omniscient, wasn't he?
Actually, Jesus was fully human,
Yes, fully human, and fully divine.

If the RCC teaches that He didn't become God until the baptism, then
the RCC teaches heresy.

and most professions

Kindly don't make such statements ! ^ ^ I doubt seriously if
you've lived long-- or if you will ever live long-- to speak for
"most."

are that he didn't know of
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his divine nature until shortly before his trip to the cross.
Rubbish!

He was sinless His entire life! How could any HUMAN child not sin?
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Actually, Jesus was fully human,
Yes, fully human, and fully divine.
If the RCC teaches that He didn't become God until the baptism, then
the RCC teaches heresy.
That's great, because the RCC teaches no such thing. I thought it was the
protest_ants that pushed that idea.

Jesus was fully divine and fully human. But that doesn't necessarily mean he
realized this, because of his human nature, until near the end.
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and most professions
Kindly don't make such statements ! ^ ^ I doubt seriously if
you've lived long-- or if you will ever live long-- to speak for
"most."
But I can repeat what I hear.
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are that he didn't know of
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his divine nature until shortly before his trip to the cross.
Rubbish!
Oh, so when did he show that he "understood/knew" of his divine nature for the
first time, jw?
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He was sinless His entire life! How could any HUMAN child not sin?
He was human. He didn't necessarily know that he was sinless. Just like Mary
didn't know of her sinless nature because her son Jesus had removed her sin at
her own conception.

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Actually, Jesus was fully human,
Yes, fully human, and fully divine.
If the RCC teaches that He didn't become God until the baptism, then
the RCC teaches heresy.
That's great, because the RCC teaches no such thing.
I didn't think so.

But you have to turn Mary into an "eternal virgin" simply because
Jesus isn't holy enough for you!

I thought it was the
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protest_ants that pushed that idea.
^ ^ ^ Again, if you're going to be DELIBERATELY defensive, we don't
need to communicate.

Roamin' Cath-lick.

john w

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Insane Elaine.

She has LONG since stopped pretending that she's a Christian.

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Actually, Jesus was fully human,
Yes, fully human, and fully divine.
If the RCC teaches that He didn't become God until the baptism, then
the RCC teaches heresy.
That's great, because the RCC teaches no such thing.
I didn't think so.
Post by duke
But you have to turn Mary into an "eternal virgin" simply because
Jesus isn't holy enough for you!
We don't worship Mary. That's your delusion.
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I thought it was the
protest_ants that pushed that idea.
^ ^ ^ Again, if you're going to be DELIBERATELY defensive, we don't
need to communicate.
Roamin' Cath-lick.
What's defensive, offensive mouth?

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Actually, Jesus was fully human,
Yes, fully human, and fully divine.
If the RCC teaches that He didn't become God until the baptism, then
the RCC teaches heresy.
That's great, because the RCC teaches no such thing.
I didn't think so.
Post by duke
But you have to turn Mary into an "eternal virgin" simply because
Jesus isn't holy enough for you!
We don't worship Mary. That's your delusion.
Why do Catholics pray the Holy Mary???
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Actually, Jesus was fully human,
Yes, fully human, and fully divine.
If the RCC teaches that He didn't become God until the baptism, then
the RCC teaches heresy.
That's great, because the RCC teaches no such thing.
I didn't think so.
Post by duke
But you have to turn Mary into an "eternal virgin" simply because
Jesus isn't holy enough for you!
We don't worship Mary. That's your delusion.
Why do Catholics pray the Holy Mary???
It's called "worship." It's called "Mary worship."

They won't admit that they do it, but they worship her WAY more than
they worship Jesus!

And why? I see Jesus claim to be God many times.

I don't see Mary claim to be a god EVER.

(she knew better)
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Actually, Jesus was fully human,
Yes, fully human, and fully divine.
If the RCC teaches that He didn't become God until the baptism, then
the RCC teaches heresy.
That's great, because the RCC teaches no such thing.
I didn't think so.
Post by duke
But you have to turn Mary into an "eternal virgin" simply because
Jesus isn't holy enough for you!
We don't worship Mary.
You worship Mary. You are just dupe enough to allow Rome to fool
you into believing otherwise.


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I thought it was the
protest_ants that pushed that idea.
^ ^ ^ Again, if you're going to be DELIBERATELY defensive, we don't
need to communicate.
Roamin' Cath-lick.
What's defensive, offensive mouth?
You started it, Stupid Person! If you don't like to be called
"Roamin' Cath-lick", then stop being DELIBERATELY offensive yourself!

And you do several things in almost every post that are VERY
DELIBERATELY offensive!

You've been told. You lift your lip in a snicker, and you go on
DELIBERATELY offending!

Roamin' Cath-lick!
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He was sinless His entire life! How could any HUMAN child not sin?
He was human. He didn't necessarily know that he was sinless. Just like Mary
didn't know of her sinless nature because her son Jesus had removed her sin at
her own conception.
I can assure you that having a sinless nature is far more superior
than having a contaminated sinful nature. we sinful humans may not
know what exactly a sinless nature is, but a sinless human has to know
his own sinless nature in order to stay sinless. If he didn't know,
then he could lose his sinless nature in a heart beat just like Adam
and Eve did.
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He was sinless His entire life! How could any HUMAN child not sin?
He was human. He didn't necessarily know that he was sinless. Just like Mary
didn't know of her sinless nature because her son Jesus had removed her sin at
her own conception.
I can assure you that having a sinless nature is far more superior
than having a contaminated sinful nature. we sinful humans may not
know what exactly a sinless nature is, ...
• Beating pushcart vendors with knotted ropes is not sinful ?
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2007-12-14 15:21:01 UTC
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He was sinless His entire life! How could any HUMAN child not sin?
He was human. He didn't necessarily know that he was sinless. Just
like Mary
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didn't know of her sinless nature because her son Jesus had removed her
sin at
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her own conception.
I can assure you that having a sinless nature is far more superior
than having a contaminated sinful nature. we sinful humans may not
know what exactly a sinless nature is, ...
? Beating pushcart vendors with knotted ropes is not sinful ?
And cursing a fig tree because he was hungry is definitely a sinful
act. You would think a man capable of fasting in the desert for 40
days and nights could do better than that in terms of dealing with
hunger. Yet, he was just an ordinary man who could be vulnerable just
like anybody else. God did not want him to be superman. God wanted him
to be the leading man who would overcome every possible obstacle to
set a perfect example for us all.
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He was sinless His entire life! How could any HUMAN child not sin?
He was human. He didn't necessarily know that he was sinless. Just
like Mary
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didn't know of her sinless nature because her son Jesus had removed her
sin at
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her own conception.
I can assure you that having a sinless nature is far more superior
than having a contaminated sinful nature. we sinful humans may not
know what exactly a sinless nature is, ...
? Beating pushcart vendors with knotted ropes is not sinful ?
And cursing a fig tree because he was hungry is definitely a sinful
act.
** depends on local landscaping rules.
Post by Feng
You would think a man capable of fasting in the desert for 40
days and nights could do better than that in terms of dealing with
hunger.
** indeed, but maybe hunger wasn't a factor?
Post by Feng
Yet, he was just an ordinary man who could be vulnerable just
like anybody else. God did not want him to be superman. God wanted him
to be the leading man who would overcome every possible obstacle to
set a perfect example for us all.
** assault and battery on pushcart vendors is hardly perfect. As I see
it, his words were important.
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2007-12-15 02:58:58 UTC
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He was sinless His entire life! How could any HUMAN child not sin?
He was human. He didn't necessarily know that he was sinless. Just
like Mary
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didn't know of her sinless nature because her son Jesus had removed her
sin at
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her own conception.
I can assure you that having a sinless nature is far more superior
than having a contaminated sinful nature. we sinful humans may not
know what exactly a sinless nature is, ...
? Beating pushcart vendors with knotted ropes is not sinful ?
And cursing a fig tree because he was hungry is definitely a sinful
act.
** depends on local landscaping rules.
Post by Feng
You would think a man capable of fasting in the desert for 40
days and nights could do better than that in terms of dealing with
hunger.
** indeed, but maybe hunger wasn't a factor?
Oh, no. That would be something even worse. How lucky was he that he
only cursed a tree. If he cursed a bunch of rotten kids for laughing
at his appearance, salvation of mankind would be damned.
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Post by Feng
Yet, he was just an ordinary man who could be vulnerable just
like anybody else. God did not want him to be superman. God wanted him
to be the leading man who would overcome every possible obstacle to
set a perfect example for us all.
** assault and battery on pushcart vendors is hardly perfect. As I see
it, his words were important.
Yes. It is righteous anger, but it has to be contained for the greater
good. The balance is found in wisdom which is something that requires
years of practice. Obviously, Jesus was too young at the time.
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He was sinless His entire life! How could any HUMAN child not sin?
He was human. He didn't necessarily know that he was sinless. Just
like Mary
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didn't know of her sinless nature because her son Jesus had removed her
sin at
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her own conception.
I can assure you that having a sinless nature is far more superior
than having a contaminated sinful nature. we sinful humans may not
know what exactly a sinless nature is, ...
? Beating pushcart vendors with knotted ropes is not sinful ?
And cursing a fig tree because he was hungry is definitely a sinful
act.
** depends on local landscaping rules.
Post by Feng
You would think a man capable of fasting in the desert for 40
days and nights could do better than that in terms of dealing with
hunger.
** indeed, but maybe hunger wasn't a factor?
Oh, no. That would be something even worse. How lucky was he that he
only cursed a tree. If he cursed a bunch of rotten kids for laughing
at his appearance, salvation of mankind would be damned.
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Post by Feng
Yet, he was just an ordinary man who could be vulnerable just
like anybody else. God did not want him to be superman. God wanted him
to be the leading man who would overcome every possible obstacle to
set a perfect example for us all.
** assault and battery on pushcart vendors is hardly perfect. As I see
it, his words were important.
Yes. It is righteous anger, but it has to be contained for the greater
good. The balance is found in wisdom which is something that requires
years of practice. Obviously, Jesus was too young at the time.
** He was past 30 at the time.
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He was sinless His entire life! How could any HUMAN child not sin?
He was human. He didn't necessarily know that he was sinless. Just
like Mary
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didn't know of her sinless nature because her son Jesus had removed her
sin at
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her own conception.
I can assure you that having a sinless nature is far more superior
than having a contaminated sinful nature. we sinful humans may not
know what exactly a sinless nature is, ...
? Beating pushcart vendors with knotted ropes is not sinful ?
And cursing a fig tree because he was hungry is definitely a sinful
act.
** depends on local landscaping rules.
Post by Feng
You would think a man capable of fasting in the desert for 40
days and nights could do better than that in terms of dealing with
hunger.
** indeed, but maybe hunger wasn't a factor?
Oh, no. That would be something even worse. How lucky was he that he
only cursed a tree. If he cursed a bunch of rotten kids for laughing
at his appearance, salvation of mankind would be damned.
Post by •R. L. Measures
Post by Feng
Yet, he was just an ordinary man who could be vulnerable just
like anybody else. God did not want him to be superman. God wanted him
to be the leading man who would overcome every possible obstacle to
set a perfect example for us all.
** assault and battery on pushcart vendors is hardly perfect. As I see
it, his words were important.
Yes. It is righteous anger, but it has to be contained for the greater
good. The balance is found in wisdom which is something that requires
years of practice. Obviously, Jesus was too young at the time.
** He was past 30 at the time.
Still lacks at least 10 years of experience. :-)
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2007-12-15 22:45:23 UTC
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He was sinless His entire life! How could any HUMAN child not sin?
He was human. He didn't necessarily know that he was sinless. Just
like Mary
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didn't know of her sinless nature because her son Jesus had removed her
sin at
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her own conception.
I can assure you that having a sinless nature is far more superior
than having a contaminated sinful nature. we sinful humans may not
know what exactly a sinless nature is, ...
? Beating pushcart vendors with knotted ropes is not sinful ?
And cursing a fig tree because he was hungry is definitely a sinful
act.
** depends on local landscaping rules.
Post by Feng
You would think a man capable of fasting in the desert for 40
days and nights could do better than that in terms of dealing with
hunger.
** indeed, but maybe hunger wasn't a factor?
Oh, no. That would be something even worse. How lucky was he that he
only cursed a tree. If he cursed a bunch of rotten kids for laughing
at his appearance, salvation of mankind would be damned.
Post by •R. L. Measures
Post by Feng
Yet, he was just an ordinary man who could be vulnerable just
like anybody else. God did not want him to be superman. God wanted him
to be the leading man who would overcome every possible obstacle to
set a perfect example for us all.
** assault and battery on pushcart vendors is hardly perfect. As I see
it, his words were important.
Yes. It is righteous anger, but it has to be contained for the greater
good. The balance is found in wisdom which is something that requires
years of practice. Obviously, Jesus was too young at the time.
** He was past 30 at the time.
Still lacks at least 10 years of experience. :-)
** He was out of here at 33.
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2007-12-16 02:51:38 UTC
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He was human. He didn't necessarily know that he was
sinless. Just
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like Mary
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didn't know of her sinless nature because her son Jesus had
removed her
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sin at
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her own conception.
I can assure you that having a sinless nature is far more superior
than having a contaminated sinful nature. we sinful humans may not
know what exactly a sinless nature is, ...
? Beating pushcart vendors with knotted ropes is not sinful ?
And cursing a fig tree because he was hungry is definitely a sinful
act.
** depends on local landscaping rules.
Post by Feng
You would think a man capable of fasting in the desert for 40
days and nights could do better than that in terms of dealing with
hunger.
** indeed, but maybe hunger wasn't a factor?
Oh, no. That would be something even worse. How lucky was he that he
only cursed a tree. If he cursed a bunch of rotten kids for laughing
at his appearance, salvation of mankind would be damned.
Post by •R. L. Measures
Post by Feng
Yet, he was just an ordinary man who could be vulnerable just
like anybody else. God did not want him to be superman. God wanted him
to be the leading man who would overcome every possible obstacle to
set a perfect example for us all.
** assault and battery on pushcart vendors is hardly perfect. As I see
it, his words were important.
Yes. It is righteous anger, but it has to be contained for the greater
good. The balance is found in wisdom which is something that requires
years of practice. Obviously, Jesus was too young at the time.
** He was past 30 at the time.
Still lacks at least 10 years of experience. :-)
** He was out of here at 33.
He was out of sight at 33. He did not die at age 33.
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2007-12-16 08:30:10 UTC
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He was sinless His entire life! How could any HUMAN child
not sin?
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He was human. He didn't necessarily know that he was
sinless. Just
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like Mary
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didn't know of her sinless nature because her son Jesus had
removed her
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sin at
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her own conception.
I can assure you that having a sinless nature is far more superior
than having a contaminated sinful nature. we sinful humans may not
know what exactly a sinless nature is, ...
? Beating pushcart vendors with knotted ropes is not sinful ?
And cursing a fig tree because he was hungry is definitely a sinful
act.
** depends on local landscaping rules.
Post by Feng
You would think a man capable of fasting in the desert for 40
days and nights could do better than that in terms of dealing with
hunger.
** indeed, but maybe hunger wasn't a factor?
Oh, no. That would be something even worse. How lucky was he that he
only cursed a tree. If he cursed a bunch of rotten kids for laughing
at his appearance, salvation of mankind would be damned.
Post by •R. L. Measures
Post by Feng
Yet, he was just an ordinary man who could be vulnerable just
like anybody else. God did not want him to be superman. God wanted him
to be the leading man who would overcome every possible obstacle to
set a perfect example for us all.
** assault and battery on pushcart vendors is hardly perfect.
As I see
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it, his words were important.
Yes. It is righteous anger, but it has to be contained for the greater
good. The balance is found in wisdom which is something that requires
years of practice. Obviously, Jesus was too young at the time.
** He was past 30 at the time.
Still lacks at least 10 years of experience. :-)
** He was out of here at 33.
He was out of sight at 33. He did not die at age 33.
** I'm not old enough to remember.
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He was sinless His entire life! How could any HUMAN child not sin?
He was human. He didn't necessarily know that he was sinless. Just
like Mary
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didn't know of her sinless nature because her son Jesus had removed her
sin at
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her own conception.
I can assure you that having a sinless nature is far more superior
than having a contaminated sinful nature. we sinful humans may not
know what exactly a sinless nature is, ...
• Beating pushcart vendors with knotted ropes is not sinful ?
Not when you're just chasing them out of your Father's house for their
desecrating actions.

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He was sinless His entire life! How could any HUMAN child not sin?
He was human. He didn't necessarily know that he was sinless. Just
like Mary
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didn't know of her sinless nature because her son Jesus had removed her
sin at
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her own conception.
I can assure you that having a sinless nature is far more superior
than having a contaminated sinful nature. we sinful humans may not
know what exactly a sinless nature is, ...
• Beating pushcart vendors with knotted ropes is not sinful ?
Not when you're just chasing them out of your Father's house for their
desecrating actions.
• said pushcart vendors would not have been there if they were not
providing a service needed by the people.
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He was sinless His entire life! How could any HUMAN child not sin?
He was human. He didn't necessarily know that he was sinless. Just like Mary
didn't know of her sinless nature because her son Jesus had removed her sin at
her own conception.
I can assure you that having a sinless nature is far more superior
than having a contaminated sinful nature. we sinful humans may not
know what exactly a sinless nature is, but a sinless human has to know
his own sinless nature in order to stay sinless. If he didn't know,
then he could lose his sinless nature in a heart beat just like Adam
and Eve did.
Heb 4:15.

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Feng
2007-12-15 14:55:20 UTC
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He was sinless His entire life! How could any HUMAN child not sin?
He was human. He didn't necessarily know that he was sinless. Just like Mary
didn't know of her sinless nature because her son Jesus had removed her sin at
her own conception.
I can assure you that having a sinless nature is far more superior
than having a contaminated sinful nature. we sinful humans may not
know what exactly a sinless nature is, but a sinless human has to know
his own sinless nature in order to stay sinless. If he didn't know,
then he could lose his sinless nature in a heart beat just like Adam
and Eve did.
Heb 4:15.
Heb 4:15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with
the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as
we are, yet without sin.

According to what I understand, it only means Jesus can't be entirely
clueless about his sinless nature. The fact he did overcome every
obstacle that was put to him shows he does have certain innate
knowledge about the truth, but the fact he did have to fight in order
to overcome also shows he was not yet as invincible as God himself.
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Post by Ghamph
Would Jesus ride the short bus to school?
As the Son of God, Jesus certainly must have known that people might
question his divinity, his teachings, his very existence. He was, after all,
omniscient, wasn't he?
Actually, Jesus was fully human,
Yes, fully human, and fully divine.
If the RCC teaches that He didn't become God until the baptism, then
the RCC teaches heresy.
and most professions
Kindly don't make such statements ! ^ ^ I doubt seriously if
you've lived long-- or if you will ever live long-- to speak for
"most."
are that he didn't know of
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his divine nature until shortly before his trip to the cross.
Rubbish!
He was sinless His entire life! How could any HUMAN child not sin?
That would be a contradiction. If Jesus was fully human, then Jesus
would have sinned just like a human. If Jesus never sinned, then Jesus
could not be *fully* human. So what is it? Is Jesus fully human just
like you are? or is he a crossbreed between human and divine instead?

:-)
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Would Jesus ride the short bus to school?
As the Son of God, Jesus certainly must have known that people might
question his divinity, his teachings, his very existence. He was, after all,
omniscient, wasn't he?
Actually, Jesus was fully human,
Yes, fully human, and fully divine.
If the RCC teaches that He didn't become God until the baptism, then
the RCC teaches heresy.
and most professions
Kindly don't make such statements ! ^ ^ I doubt seriously if
you've lived long-- or if you will ever live long-- to speak for
"most."
are that he didn't know of
Post by duke
his divine nature until shortly before his trip to the cross.
Rubbish!
He was sinless His entire life! How could any HUMAN child not sin?
That would be a contradiction.
Not at all.

If Jesus was fully human, then Jesus
Post by Feng
would have sinned just like a human.
???
Support that statement! In fact, you can't.

Traditional theology states (and I concur/scripture supports that)
that He was fully human as if He were not God at all; He was as
fully God as if He was not human at all.

Try to not rationalize it. He represents the first and ONLY time in
human history that God Almighty, the Creator of all that is, took on
human flesh. The normal rules that apply to Deity, and the normal
rules that apply to humankind do not apply to that Man.

If Jesus never sinned, then Jesus
Post by Feng
could not be *fully* human. So what is it?
It is neither, since I don't consider you an authority on the
subject, and those I consider authorities (the prophets, Jesus, the
apostles), all disagree with you.

I believe that Colossians 2 sums it up beautifully.

In Him dwelt all the fullness of the Godhead (Father/Son/Holy
Spirit) in FLESH.

That is EVERYTHING that Deity (God Almighty) can be, Jesus the
Christ was, in flesh.

Is Jesus fully human just
Post by Feng
like you are?
Totally and unequivocally.

Scripture says "He was tempted in EVERY CONCEIVABLE way like any
human, yet HE sinned not."

or is he a crossbreed between human and divine instead?
Post by Feng
:-)
He was fully God and He was fully man.

He got tired, He needed sleep, He needed food, and He needed water.

Yet He walked on water, changed water into wine, and raised the
dead.
This MAN stilled the raging storm (a hurricane) with a few words, and
cast out evil spirits (demons)
Post by Feng
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Post by duke
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He was sinless His entire life! How could any HUMAN child not sin?
That would be a contradiction.
Not at all.
Yes, it is if you want to be logical. If you claim God defies logic
and truth, then it would be another matter.
Post by john w <***@yahoo.com>
If Jesus was fully human, then Jesus
Post by Feng
would have sinned just like a human.
???
Support that statement! In fact, you can't.
I don't have to. You did. You said: "How could any HUMAN child not
sin?" Since you claim Jesus was fully human, then the human Jesus
child would have sinned based on your own statement.
Post by john w <***@yahoo.com>
Traditional theology states (and I concur/scripture supports that)
that He was fully human as if He were not God at all; He was as
fully God as if He was not human at all.
Sounds more like they don't know what they are talking about.
Post by john w <***@yahoo.com>
Try to not rationalize it.
In other word, it can't be taken seriously. Is that it?

He represents the first and ONLY time in
Post by john w <***@yahoo.com>
human history that God Almighty, the Creator of all that is, took on
human flesh. The normal rules that apply to Deity, and the normal
rules that apply to humankind do not apply to that Man.
Then how can you say he is fully anything? He is neither.
Post by john w <***@yahoo.com>
If Jesus never sinned, then Jesus
Post by Feng
could not be *fully* human. So what is it?
It is neither, since I don't consider you an authority on the
subject, and those I consider authorities (the prophets, Jesus, the
apostles), all disagree with you.
Disagree with me about what? I didn't claim anything. I was only
asking questions.
Post by john w <***@yahoo.com>
I believe that Colossians 2 sums it up beautifully.
In Him dwelt all the fullness of the Godhead (Father/Son/Holy
Spirit) in FLESH.
Actually, I agree with that completely.
Post by john w <***@yahoo.com>
That is EVERYTHING that Deity (God Almighty) can be, Jesus the
Christ was, in flesh.
Is Jesus fully human just
Post by Feng
like you are?
Totally and unequivocally.
Scripture says "He was tempted in EVERY CONCEIVABLE way like any
human, yet HE sinned not."
Then you are in contradiction with the scripture by saying: "How could
any HUMAN child not sin?" Well, the Jesus child didn't sin, right?
Post by john w <***@yahoo.com>
or is he a crossbreed between human and divine instead?
Post by Feng
:-)
He was fully God and He was fully man.
I don't object that at all. In heaven, everybody is exactly like that.
Nothing out of ordinary.
Post by john w <***@yahoo.com>
He got tired, He needed sleep, He needed food, and He needed water.
How about sin a little to be a little bit like the common folks? Jesus
lived his life like the common folks, right?
Post by john w <***@yahoo.com>
Yet He walked on water, changed water into wine, and raised the
dead.
This MAN stilled the raging storm (a hurricane) with a few words, and
cast out evil spirits (demons)
It's absolute nothing comparing with the ability not to sin. Don't let
the miracles get to your head. The real miracle is always called love.
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Post by duke
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He was sinless His entire life! How could any HUMAN child not sin?
That would be a contradiction.
Not at all.
Yes, it is
No, it's not.

Almighty God, the Creator of all that is (including us), is not
subject to man's puny reasoning capacity.

if you want to be logical.

Let's say I don't choose to be "logical" as you consider things
"logical."

If your "logic" leaves God out of the equation, what good is it?


If you claim God defies logic
Post by Feng
and truth, then it would be another matter.
You are now officially twisting my words.

I said God exists outside the boundaries of what you call "logic."

I did not say that God defies "truth."

You should try some intellectual HONESTY.

You have now accused me of saying things I have not said.
Post by Feng
Post by john w <***@yahoo.com>
If Jesus was fully human, then Jesus
Post by Feng
would have sinned just like a human.
???
Support that statement! In fact, you can't.
I don't have to. You did.
No, I didn't.

Quote me the paragraph in which I said what you are accusing me of.

You now admit that you are attempting however vainly to manipulate
me.

You said: "How could any HUMAN child not
Post by Feng
sin?" Since you claim Jesus was fully human, then the human Jesus
child would have sinned based on your own statement.
The Christ child is the single exception to the statement. What you
are now doing is taking something I said out of context.

Just because the Ford takes type A transmission fluid does not mean
that type A will work in a Chevy.

The Chevy requires type B.

In a similar way, the rules that apply to all humans do not apply to
God, since God lives outside our frame of reference, and outside our
rules.
Post by Feng
Post by john w <***@yahoo.com>
Traditional theology states (and I concur/scripture supports that)
that He was fully human as if He were not God at all; He was as
fully God as if He was not human at all.
Sounds more like they don't know what they are talking about.
Sounds even more like you don't know what YOU are talking about, but
you do so want to ARGUE.
Post by Feng
Post by john w <***@yahoo.com>
Try to not rationalize it.
In other word, it can't be taken seriously. Is that it?
Why do you keep putting words in my mouth?

I have said several times that God lives outside man's reason.

When you can create a universe the size of ours, you can challenge
how God did it!
Post by Feng
He represents the first and ONLY time in
Post by john w <***@yahoo.com>
human history that God Almighty, the Creator of all that is, took on
human flesh. The normal rules that apply to Deity, and the normal
rules that apply to humankind do not apply to that Man.
Then how can you say he is fully anything? He is neither.
AGAIN, I don't subject myself to your silly notions of "how things
MUST be."


And now, you have wasted more of my time than I wish to waste.

john w
Post by Feng
Post by john w <***@yahoo.com>
If Jesus never sinned, then Jesus
Post by Feng
could not be *fully* human. So what is it?
It is neither, since I don't consider you an authority on the
subject, and those I consider authorities (the prophets, Jesus, the
apostles), all disagree with you.
Disagree with me about what? I didn't claim anything. I was only
asking questions.
Post by john w <***@yahoo.com>
I believe that Colossians 2 sums it up beautifully.
In Him dwelt all the fullness of the Godhead (Father/Son/Holy
Spirit) in FLESH.
Actually, I agree with that completely.
Post by john w <***@yahoo.com>
That is EVERYTHING that Deity (God Almighty) can be, Jesus the
Christ was, in flesh.
Is Jesus fully human just
Post by Feng
like you are?
Totally and unequivocally.
Scripture says "He was tempted in EVERY CONCEIVABLE way like any
human, yet HE sinned not."
Then you are in contradiction with the scripture by saying: "How could
any HUMAN child not sin?" Well, the Jesus child didn't sin, right?
Post by john w <***@yahoo.com>
or is he a crossbreed between human and divine instead?
Post by Feng
:-)
He was fully God and He was fully man.
I don't object that at all. In heaven, everybody is exactly like that.
Nothing out of ordinary.
Post by john w <***@yahoo.com>
He got tired, He needed sleep, He needed food, and He needed water.
How about sin a little to be a little bit like the common folks? Jesus
lived his life like the common folks, right?
Post by john w <***@yahoo.com>
Yet He walked on water, changed water into wine, and raised the
dead.
This MAN stilled the raging storm (a hurricane) with a few words, and
cast out evil spirits (demons)
It's absolute nothing comparing with the ability not to sin. Don't let
the miracles get to your head. The real miracle is always called love.
Post by john w <***@yahoo.com>
Post by Feng
Post by john w <***@yahoo.com>
Post by duke
duke, American-American
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He was sinless His entire life! How could any HUMAN child not sin?
That would be a contradiction.
Not at all.
Yes, it is
No, it's not.
Almighty God, the Creator of all that is (including us), is not
subject to man's puny reasoning capacity.
Logic is a gift of God based on the truth of God. Sorry you can not
realize how precious logic is for us puny humans.
Post by john w <***@yahoo.com>
if you want to be logical.
Let's say I don't choose to be "logical" as you consider things
"logical."
I do not determine what is or is not logical. It's always according to
the truth of God that things are determined to be logical or not. It
is exactly due to this reason that everybody must learn logic instead
of setting up their own version of logic.
Post by john w <***@yahoo.com>
If your "logic" leaves God out of the equation, what good is it?
Logic does not leave God out of anything. Logic depends on God for
everything. You don't have to blame logic or God because you are in
contradiction with yourself.
Post by john w <***@yahoo.com>
If you claim God defies logic
Post by Feng
and truth, then it would be another matter.
You are now officially twisting my words.
I said God exists outside the boundaries of what you call "logic."
I did not say that God defies "truth."
Sorry, logic and truth always go hand in hand. You can't have one
without the other. And you can't reject one without denying the other
either.
Post by john w <***@yahoo.com>
You should try some intellectual HONESTY.
You have now accused me of saying things I have not said.
It's something you don't want to say, but it is something you actually
do. God does not have to defy logic. God just has to defy your
imagination or understanding instead.
Post by john w <***@yahoo.com>
Post by Feng
Post by john w <***@yahoo.com>
If Jesus was fully human, then Jesus
Post by Feng
would have sinned just like a human.
???
Support that statement! In fact, you can't.
I don't have to. You did.
No, I didn't.
Quote me the paragraph in which I said what you are accusing me of.
You now admit that you are attempting however vainly to manipulate
me.
You said: "How could any HUMAN child not
Post by Feng
sin?" Since you claim Jesus was fully human, then the human Jesus
child would have sinned based on your own statement.
The Christ child is the single exception to the statement. What you
are now doing is taking something I said out of context.
Not at all. What you are now doing is eating up your own word by
claiming a special case for Jesus.
Post by john w <***@yahoo.com>
Just because the Ford takes type A transmission fluid does not mean
that type A will work in a Chevy.
The Chevy requires type B.
Sorry, the one that is both fully Ford and fully Chevy should be able
to take both A and B.
Post by john w <***@yahoo.com>
In a similar way, the rules that apply to all humans do not apply to
God, since God lives outside our frame of reference, and outside our
rules.
If Jesus is fully human, Jesus should live just like a human. You
can't jump around to contradict yourself. That is what I would call
dishonesty.
Post by john w <***@yahoo.com>
Post by Feng
Post by john w <***@yahoo.com>
Traditional theology states (and I concur/scripture supports that)
that He was fully human as if He were not God at all; He was as
fully God as if He was not human at all.
Sounds more like they don't know what they are talking about.
Sounds even more like you don't know what YOU are talking about, but
you do so want to ARGUE.
I'm only asking a simple logical question which you apparently find it
impossible to solve.
Post by john w <***@yahoo.com>
Post by Feng
Post by john w <***@yahoo.com>
Try to not rationalize it.
In other word, it can't be taken seriously. Is that it?
Why do you keep putting words in my mouth?
I have said several times that God lives outside man's reason.
In other word, you admit that God is illogical. Is that it?
Post by john w <***@yahoo.com>
When you can create a universe the size of ours, you can challenge
how God did it!
I'm not challenging God. I'm questioning you. You are not God, are
you?
Post by john w <***@yahoo.com>
Post by Feng
He represents the first and ONLY time in
Post by john w <***@yahoo.com>
human history that God Almighty, the Creator of all that is, took on
human flesh. The normal rules that apply to Deity, and the normal
rules that apply to humankind do not apply to that Man.
Then how can you say he is fully anything? He is neither.
AGAIN, I don't subject myself to your silly notions of "how things
MUST be."
And now, you have wasted more of my time than I wish to waste.
john w
No problem. Thanks for the exchange anyway.
john w <johnw@yahoo.com>
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He was sinless His entire life! How could any HUMAN child not sin?
That would be a contradiction.
Not at all.
Yes, it is
No, it's not.
Almighty God, the Creator of all that is (including us), is not
subject to man's puny reasoning capacity.
Logic is a gift of God based on the truth of God.
I did not say that logic is not a good thing. I said that what YOU
are calling "logic" is not what I call logic. I believe your "logic"
is flawed. You are making too many assumptions.

Any assumption that leaves God out is poor logic.

Because we CAN KNOW that God exists.

Sorry you can not
Post by Feng
realize how precious logic is for us puny humans.
AGAIN, you commit the dishonesty of twisting my words.

And we are done for this time.

I sincerely have NOTHING to prove to you.
Post by Feng
Post by john w <***@yahoo.com>
if you want to be logical.
Let's say I don't choose to be "logical" as you consider things
"logical."
I do not determine what is or is not logical. It's always according to
the truth of God that things are determined to be logical or not. It
is exactly due to this reason that everybody must learn logic instead
of setting up their own version of logic.
Post by john w <***@yahoo.com>
If your "logic" leaves God out of the equation, what good is it?
Logic does not leave God out of anything. Logic depends on God for
everything. You don't have to blame logic or God because you are in
contradiction with yourself.
Post by john w <***@yahoo.com>
If you claim God defies logic
Post by Feng
and truth, then it would be another matter.
You are now officially twisting my words.
I said God exists outside the boundaries of what you call "logic."
I did not say that God defies "truth."
Sorry, logic and truth always go hand in hand. You can't have one
without the other. And you can't reject one without denying the other
either.
Post by john w <***@yahoo.com>
You should try some intellectual HONESTY.
You have now accused me of saying things I have not said.
It's something you don't want to say, but it is something you actually
do. God does not have to defy logic. God just has to defy your
imagination or understanding instead.
Post by john w <***@yahoo.com>
Post by Feng
Post by john w <***@yahoo.com>
If Jesus was fully human, then Jesus
Post by Feng
would have sinned just like a human.
???
Support that statement! In fact, you can't.
I don't have to. You did.
No, I didn't.
Quote me the paragraph in which I said what you are accusing me of.
You now admit that you are attempting however vainly to manipulate
me.
You said: "How could any HUMAN child not
Post by Feng
sin?" Since you claim Jesus was fully human, then the human Jesus
child would have sinned based on your own statement.
The Christ child is the single exception to the statement. What you
are now doing is taking something I said out of context.
Not at all. What you are now doing is eating up your own word by
claiming a special case for Jesus.
Post by john w <***@yahoo.com>
Just because the Ford takes type A transmission fluid does not mean
that type A will work in a Chevy.
The Chevy requires type B.
Sorry, the one that is both fully Ford and fully Chevy should be able
to take both A and B.
Post by john w <***@yahoo.com>
In a similar way, the rules that apply to all humans do not apply to
God, since God lives outside our frame of reference, and outside our
rules.
If Jesus is fully human, Jesus should live just like a human. You
can't jump around to contradict yourself. That is what I would call
dishonesty.
Post by john w <***@yahoo.com>
Post by Feng
Post by john w <***@yahoo.com>
Traditional theology states (and I concur/scripture supports that)
that He was fully human as if He were not God at all; He was as
fully God as if He was not human at all.
Sounds more like they don't know what they are talking about.
Sounds even more like you don't know what YOU are talking about, but
you do so want to ARGUE.
I'm only asking a simple logical question which you apparently find it
impossible to solve.
Post by john w <***@yahoo.com>
Post by Feng
Post by john w <***@yahoo.com>
Try to not rationalize it.
In other word, it can't be taken seriously. Is that it?
Why do you keep putting words in my mouth?
I have said several times that God lives outside man's reason.
In other word, you admit that God is illogical. Is that it?
Post by john w <***@yahoo.com>
When you can create a universe the size of ours, you can challenge
how God did it!
I'm not challenging God. I'm questioning you. You are not God, are
you?
Post by john w <***@yahoo.com>
Post by Feng
He represents the first and ONLY time in
Post by john w <***@yahoo.com>
human history that God Almighty, the Creator of all that is, took on
human flesh. The normal rules that apply to Deity, and the normal
rules that apply to humankind do not apply to that Man.
Then how can you say he is fully anything? He is neither.
AGAIN, I don't subject myself to your silly notions of "how things
MUST be."
And now, you have wasted more of my time than I wish to waste.
john w
No problem. Thanks for the exchange anyway.
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I said some time ago that Insane Elaine has had a psychotic break.

She daily proves my point.

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He was sinless His entire life! How could any HUMAN child not sin?
That would be a contradiction.
Not at all.
Yes, it is if you want to be logical. If you claim God defies logic
and truth, then it would be another matter.
Post by john w <***@yahoo.com>
If Jesus was fully human, then Jesus
Post by Feng
would have sinned just like a human.
???
Support that statement! In fact, you can't.
I don't have to. You did. You said: "How could any HUMAN child not
sin?" Since you claim Jesus was fully human, then the human Jesus
child would have sinned based on your own statement.
Post by john w <***@yahoo.com>
Traditional theology states (and I concur/scripture supports that)
that He was fully human as if He were not God at all; He was as
fully God as if He was not human at all.
Sounds more like they don't know what they are talking about.
Post by john w <***@yahoo.com>
Try to not rationalize it.
In other word, it can't be taken seriously. Is that it?
He represents the first and ONLY time in
Post by john w <***@yahoo.com>
human history that God Almighty, the Creator of all that is, took on
human flesh. The normal rules that apply to Deity, and the normal
rules that apply to humankind do not apply to that Man.
Then how can you say he is fully anything? He is neither.
Post by john w <***@yahoo.com>
If Jesus never sinned, then Jesus
Post by Feng
could not be *fully* human. So what is it?
It is neither, since I don't consider you an authority on the
subject, and those I consider authorities (the prophets, Jesus, the
apostles), all disagree with you.
Disagree with me about what? I didn't claim anything. I was only
asking questions.
You are a liar. You are now saying that you haven't made any
pronouncements. Yet you have repeatedly told me what God can and
cannot do.
Post by Feng
Post by john w <***@yahoo.com>
I believe that Colossians 2 sums it up beautifully.
In Him dwelt all the fullness of the Godhead (Father/Son/Holy
Spirit) in FLESH.
Actually, I agree with that completely.
Post by john w <***@yahoo.com>
That is EVERYTHING that Deity (God Almighty) can be, Jesus the
Christ was, in flesh.
Is Jesus fully human just
Post by Feng
like you are?
Totally and unequivocally.
Scripture says "He was tempted in EVERY CONCEIVABLE way like any
human, yet HE sinned not."
Then you are in contradiction with the scripture by saying: "How could
any HUMAN child not sin?" Well, the Jesus child didn't sin, right?
Post by john w <***@yahoo.com>
or is he a crossbreed between human and divine instead?
Post by Feng
:-)
He was fully God and He was fully man.
I don't object that at all. In heaven, everybody is exactly like that.
Nothing out of ordinary.
Post by john w <***@yahoo.com>
He got tired, He needed sleep, He needed food, and He needed water.
How about sin a little to be a little bit like the common folks? Jesus
lived his life like the common folks, right?
Post by john w <***@yahoo.com>
Yet He walked on water, changed water into wine, and raised the
dead.
This MAN stilled the raging storm (a hurricane) with a few words, and
cast out evil spirits (demons)
It's absolute nothing comparing with the ability not to sin. Don't let
the miracles get to your head. The real miracle is always called love.
Post by john w <***@yahoo.com>
Post by Feng
Post by john w <***@yahoo.com>
Post by duke
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
Feng
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It is neither, since I don't consider you an authority on the
subject, and those I consider authorities (the prophets, Jesus, the
apostles), all disagree with you.
Disagree with me about what? I didn't claim anything. I was only
asking questions.
You are a liar. You are now saying that you haven't made any
pronouncements. Yet you have repeatedly told me what God can and
cannot do.
I do give my opinion often, but not in the original follow up post. In
it, I was only asking you a logical question. Look it up.
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Post by Feng
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It is neither, since I don't consider you an authority on the
subject, and those I consider authorities (the prophets, Jesus, the
apostles), all disagree with you.
Disagree with me about what? I didn't claim anything. I was only
asking questions.
You are a liar. You are now saying that you haven't made any
pronouncements. Yet you have repeatedly told me what God can and
cannot do.
I do give my opinion often, but not in the original follow up post. In
it, I was only asking you a logical question. Look it up.
I looked up the prior post, in which you made definite declarations
on what God can and cannot do.

"We are done."
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He was sinless His entire life! How could any HUMAN child not sin?
That would be a contradiction.
Not at all.
Yes, it is if you want to be logical. If you claim God defies logic
and truth, then it would be another matter.
Post by john w <***@yahoo.com>
If Jesus was fully human, then Jesus
Post by Feng
would have sinned just like a human.
???
Support that statement! In fact, you can't.
I don't have to. You did. You said: "How could any HUMAN child not
sin?" Since you claim Jesus was fully human, then the human Jesus
child would have sinned based on your own statement.
Post by john w <***@yahoo.com>
Traditional theology states (and I concur/scripture supports that)
that He was fully human as if He were not God at all; He was as
fully God as if He was not human at all.
Sounds more like they don't know what they are talking about.
• Bingo
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2007-12-14 16:10:53 UTC
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Post by Feng
Post by john w <***@yahoo.com>
He was sinless His entire life! How could any HUMAN child not sin?
That would be a contradiction.
Not at all.
Yes, it is if you want to be logical. If you claim God defies logic
and truth, then it would be another matter.
Post by john w <***@yahoo.com>
If Jesus was fully human, then Jesus
Post by Feng
would have sinned just like a human.
???
Support that statement! In fact, you can't.
I don't have to. You did. You said: "How could any HUMAN child not
sin?" Since you claim Jesus was fully human, then the human Jesus
child would have sinned based on your own statement.
Post by john w <***@yahoo.com>
Traditional theology states (and I concur/scripture supports that)
that He was fully human as if He were not God at all; He was as
fully God as if He was not human at all.
Sounds more like they don't know what they are talking about.
? Bingo
Their ignorance is too easy to spot. Talking about the blind leading
the blind...
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Post by Feng
Post by john w <***@yahoo.com>
Post by Feng
Post by john w <***@yahoo.com>
He was sinless His entire life! How could any HUMAN child not sin?
That would be a contradiction.
Not at all.
Yes, it is if you want to be logical. If you claim God defies logic
and truth, then it would be another matter.
Post by john w <***@yahoo.com>
If Jesus was fully human, then Jesus
Post by Feng
would have sinned just like a human.
???
Support that statement! In fact, you can't.
I don't have to. You did. You said: "How could any HUMAN child not
sin?" Since you claim Jesus was fully human, then the human Jesus
child would have sinned based on your own statement.
Post by john w <***@yahoo.com>
Traditional theology states (and I concur/scripture supports that)
that He was fully human as if He were not God at all; He was as
fully God as if He was not human at all.
Sounds more like they don't know what they are talking about.
? Bingo
Their ignorance is too easy to spot. Talking about the blind leading
the blind...
chortle
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Post by john w <***@yahoo.com>
Post by Feng
Post by john w <***@yahoo.com>
He was sinless His entire life! How could any HUMAN child not sin?
That would be a contradiction.
Not at all.
Yes, it is if you want to be logical. If you claim God defies logic
and truth, then it would be another matter.
Post by john w <***@yahoo.com>
If Jesus was fully human, then Jesus
Post by Feng
would have sinned just like a human.
???
Support that statement! In fact, you can't.
I don't have to. You did. You said: "How could any HUMAN child not
sin?" Since you claim Jesus was fully human, then the human Jesus
child would have sinned based on your own statement.
Post by john w <***@yahoo.com>
Traditional theology states (and I concur/scripture supports that)
that He was fully human as if He were not God at all; He was as
fully God as if He was not human at all.
Sounds more like they don't know what they are talking about.
• Bingo
Seems you don't know what YOU are talking about?

And I just don't get the furor surrounding the time of year when we
celebrate the birth of the Prince of Peace!!

???

IT seems the demons and dragons and goblins and gremlins are
restless this time of year.

Why can't sane, responsible, intelligent ADULTS allow others to
worship and celebrate in peace?

What is achieved by all this hubub? Other than you getting a little
MUCH - needed ATTENTION perhaps?

Are you just another attention whore?
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I for one don't believe in censorship.

I believe each of us is mature enough, adult enough, to decide for
ourselves what to read.

Sad that there are those so psychotic, they believe they MUST, that
they CAN control the reading of others, and what some can and cannot
say.

Sad indeed.

john w
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Post by john w <***@yahoo.com>
Post by Feng
Post by john w <***@yahoo.com>
He was sinless His entire life! How could any HUMAN child not sin?
That would be a contradiction.
Not at all.
Yes, it is if you want to be logical. If you claim God defies logic
and truth, then it would be another matter.
Post by john w <***@yahoo.com>
If Jesus was fully human, then Jesus
Post by Feng
would have sinned just like a human.
???
Support that statement! In fact, you can't.
I don't have to. You did. You said: "How could any HUMAN child not
sin?" Since you claim Jesus was fully human, then the human Jesus
child would have sinned based on your own statement.
Post by john w <***@yahoo.com>
Traditional theology states (and I concur/scripture supports that)
that He was fully human as if He were not God at all; He was as
fully God as if He was not human at all.
Sounds more like they don't know what they are talking about.
• Bingo
Seems you don't know what YOU are talking about?
And I just don't get the furor surrounding the time of year when we
celebrate the birth of the Prince of Peace!!
• indeed, and it can't be his birthday if he was 33 and 1/2 years old
when he was executed.
Post by john w <***@yahoo.com>
IT seems the demons and dragons and goblins and gremlins are
restless this time of year.
• Halloween is pretty close.
Post by john w <***@yahoo.com>
Why can't sane, responsible, intelligent ADULTS allow others to
worship and celebrate in peace?
• Readeth not Usenet and you can.
Post by john w <***@yahoo.com>
What is achieved by all this hubub? Other than you getting a little
MUCH - needed ATTENTION perhaps?
Are you just another attention whore?
• Background:
1. Three of my friends had problems with pedophile priests.
2. I read Fr. Peter DeRosa'a "Vicars of Christ" and Peter A Yallop's "In
God's Name".
3. When I was seven, I saw the movie Joan of Arc - directed by Victor
Flemming with Ingrid Bergman and Jose Ferrer.

cheers JW.
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Post by duke
Post by Ghamph
Would Jesus ride the short bus to school?
As the Son of God, Jesus certainly must have known that people might
question his divinity, his teachings, his very existence. He was, after all,
omniscient, wasn't he?
Actually, Jesus was fully human,
Yes, fully human, and fully divine.
If the RCC teaches that He didn't become God until the baptism, then
the RCC teaches heresy.
and most professions
Kindly don't make such statements ! ^ ^ I doubt seriously if
you've lived long-- or if you will ever live long-- to speak for
"most."
are that he didn't know of
Post by duke
his divine nature until shortly before his trip to the cross.
Rubbish!
He was sinless His entire life! How could any HUMAN child not sin?
That would be a contradiction. If Jesus was fully human, then Jesus
would have sinned just like a human. ...
• Indeed. Jesus proved he was fully human by beating pushcart vendors
with knotted ropes. Also, making wine (from on-site water no less) to
serve to wedding party goers who were already staggering drunk was very
probably a violation of a Judean alcholic beverage ordinance.

Editorial: IMO, Christians hate like hell to consider the above issues
because it casts a shadow of doubt on their precious, post-325AD,
perfect-sacrifice dogma.
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Post by Ghamph
Would Jesus ride the short bus to school?
As the Son of God, Jesus certainly must have known that people might
question his divinity, his teachings, his very existence. He was,
after all,
Post by Feng
Post by john w <***@yahoo.com>
Post by duke
Post by Ghamph
omniscient, wasn't he?
Actually, Jesus was fully human,
Yes, fully human, and fully divine.
If the RCC teaches that He didn't become God until the baptism, then
the RCC teaches heresy.
and most professions
Kindly don't make such statements ! ^ ^ I doubt seriously if
you've lived long-- or if you will ever live long-- to speak for
"most."
are that he didn't know of
Post by duke
his divine nature until shortly before his trip to the cross.
Rubbish!
He was sinless His entire life! How could any HUMAN child not sin?
That would be a contradiction. If Jesus was fully human, then Jesus
would have sinned just like a human. ...
? Indeed. Jesus proved he was fully human by beating pushcart vendors
with knotted ropes. Also, making wine (from on-site water no less) to
serve to wedding party goers who were already staggering drunk was very
probably a violation of a Judean alcholic beverage ordinance.
Editorial: IMO, Christians hate like hell to consider the above issues
because it casts a shadow of doubt on their precious, post-325AD,
perfect-sacrifice dogma.
It's the Church's desire to separate Jesus from the common people so
no one can actually follow him to realize salvation. Otherwise, the
Church officials would all be unemployed. It's serious business
concern! The livelihood of thousands of privileged outstanding
religious dignitaries are in serious Jeopardy. They would be starved
to death if no one is going to feed them with money and fame. That
would be a massacre.
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Post by Ghamph
Would Jesus ride the short bus to school?
As the Son of God, Jesus certainly must have known that people might
question his divinity, his teachings, his very existence. He was,
after all,
Post by Feng
Post by john w <***@yahoo.com>
Post by duke
Post by Ghamph
omniscient, wasn't he?
Actually, Jesus was fully human,
Yes, fully human, and fully divine.
If the RCC teaches that He didn't become God until the baptism, then
the RCC teaches heresy.
and most professions
Kindly don't make such statements ! ^ ^ I doubt seriously if
you've lived long-- or if you will ever live long-- to speak for
"most."
are that he didn't know of
Post by duke
his divine nature until shortly before his trip to the cross.
Rubbish!
He was sinless His entire life! How could any HUMAN child not sin?
That would be a contradiction. If Jesus was fully human, then Jesus
would have sinned just like a human. ...
? Indeed. Jesus proved he was fully human by beating pushcart vendors
with knotted ropes. Also, making wine (from on-site water no less) to
serve to wedding party goers who were already staggering drunk was very
probably a violation of a Judean alcholic beverage ordinance.
Editorial: IMO, Christians hate like hell to consider the above issues
because it casts a shadow of doubt on their precious, post-325AD,
perfect-sacrifice dogma.
It's the Church's desire to separate Jesus from the common people so
no one can actually follow him to realize salvation. Otherwise, the
Church officials would all be unemployed.
• exactly
Post by Feng
It's serious business
concern! The livelihood of thousands of privileged outstanding
religious dignitaries are in serious Jeopardy. They would be starved
to death if no one is going to feed them with money and fame. That
would be a massacre.
• alas
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Post by Ghamph
Would Jesus ride the short bus to school?
As the Son of God, Jesus certainly must have known that people might
question his divinity, his teachings, his very existence. He was,
after all,
Post by Feng
Post by john w <***@yahoo.com>
Post by duke
Post by Ghamph
omniscient, wasn't he?
Actually, Jesus was fully human,
Yes, fully human, and fully divine.
If the RCC teaches that He didn't become God until the baptism, then
the RCC teaches heresy.
and most professions
Kindly don't make such statements ! ^ ^ I doubt seriously if
you've lived long-- or if you will ever live long-- to speak for
"most."
are that he didn't know of
Post by duke
his divine nature until shortly before his trip to the cross.
Rubbish!
He was sinless His entire life! How could any HUMAN child not sin?
That would be a contradiction. If Jesus was fully human, then Jesus
would have sinned just like a human. ...
• Indeed. Jesus proved he was fully human by beating pushcart vendors
with knotted ropes. Also, making wine (from on-site water no less) to
serve to wedding party goers who were already staggering drunk was very
probably a violation of a Judean alcholic beverage ordinance.
Those events are called
1. the cleansing of the temple, about which much has been written.

2. and the first miracle, about which it has been shown that even
God could enjoy a good vintage.


I still don't get why you don't believe, but you have this intense
NEED to pick each story apart.

???

What's THAT about?
Post by Ghamph
Editorial: IMO, Christians hate like hell to consider the above issues
because it casts a shadow of doubt on their precious, post-325AD,
perfect-sacrifice dogma.
?????

Your opinion is bovine excrement. In fact, both events have been
discussed exhaustively in church and in seminaries.
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You DO know, don't you, Insane Elaine, that you are psychotic?

I knew you did!

:-)
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Post by Ghamph
Would Jesus ride the short bus to school?
As the Son of God, Jesus certainly must have known that people might
question his divinity, his teachings, his very existence. He was,
after all,
Post by Feng
Post by john w <***@yahoo.com>
Post by duke
Post by Ghamph
omniscient, wasn't he?
Actually, Jesus was fully human,
Yes, fully human, and fully divine.
If the RCC teaches that He didn't become God until the baptism, then
the RCC teaches heresy.
and most professions
Kindly don't make such statements ! ^ ^ I doubt seriously if
you've lived long-- or if you will ever live long-- to speak for
"most."
are that he didn't know of
Post by duke
his divine nature until shortly before his trip to the cross.
Rubbish!
He was sinless His entire life! How could any HUMAN child not sin?
That would be a contradiction. If Jesus was fully human, then Jesus
would have sinned just like a human. ...
• Indeed. Jesus proved he was fully human by beating pushcart vendors
with knotted ropes. Also, making wine (from on-site water no less) to
serve to wedding party goers who were already staggering drunk was very
probably a violation of a Judean alcholic beverage ordinance.
Those events are called
1. the cleansing of the temple, about which much has been written.
• Call it what you like but this was the temple that he said he would
tear down in three days, and he definitely kicked some butt - which was
work, and that was forbidden on the Sabbath.
Post by john w <***@yahoo.com>
2. and the first miracle, about which it has been shown that even
God could enjoy a good vintage.
• God was at the party ?
Post by john w <***@yahoo.com>
I still don't get why you don't believe, but you have this intense
NEED to pick each story apart.
• When a story does not wash, it needs to be scrutinized.
Post by john w <***@yahoo.com>
What's THAT about?
• exposing a scam
Post by john w <***@yahoo.com>
Post by Ghamph
Editorial: IMO, Christians hate like hell to consider the above issues
because it casts a shadow of doubt on their precious, post-325AD,
perfect-sacrifice dogma.
Your opinion is bovine excrement. In fact, both events have been
discussed exhaustively in church and in seminaries.
• I could not care less.
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Post by Ghamph
Would Jesus ride the short bus to school?
As the Son of God, Jesus certainly must have known that people might
question his divinity, his teachings, his very existence. He was,
after all,
Post by Feng
Post by john w <***@yahoo.com>
Post by duke
Post by Ghamph
omniscient, wasn't he?
Actually, Jesus was fully human,
Yes, fully human, and fully divine.
If the RCC teaches that He didn't become God until the baptism, then
the RCC teaches heresy.
and most professions
Kindly don't make such statements ! ^ ^ I doubt seriously if
you've lived long-- or if you will ever live long-- to speak for
"most."
are that he didn't know of
Post by duke
his divine nature until shortly before his trip to the cross.
Rubbish!
He was sinless His entire life! How could any HUMAN child not sin?
That would be a contradiction. If Jesus was fully human, then Jesus
would have sinned just like a human. ...
• Indeed. Jesus proved he was fully human by beating pushcart vendors
with knotted ropes. Also, making wine (from on-site water no less) to
serve to wedding party goers who were already staggering drunk was very
probably a violation of a Judean alcholic beverage ordinance.
Those events are called
1. the cleansing of the temple, about which much has been written.
• Call it what you like but this was the temple that
Just exactly why ARE you in here, when you've demonstrated such an
IGNORANCE of Christianity and such a contempt?

You MUST be an attention WHORE!

john w

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• Indeed. Jesus proved he was fully human by beating pushcart
vendors with knotted ropes. Also, making wine (from on-site water
no less) to serve to wedding party goers who were already
staggering drunk was very probably a violation of a Judean alcholic
beverage ordinance.
Those events are called
1. the cleansing of the temple, about which much has been written.
• Call it what you like but this was the temple that
Just exactly why ARE you in here, when you've demonstrated such an
IGNORANCE of Christianity and such a contempt?
He does not need your permission to post to the Baptist newsgroup, &
apparently, he does not desire it either.
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You MUST be an attention WHORE!
Coming from the biggest attention whore, a phrase you have copied from
withcypoo, on Usenet, that is funny without intending to be. Ironic one
could say.
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john w
which wannabe this time johnniiee, the one that does not understand the
temple incident, but pretends he does anyway.
Or the one that pretends that he has god for a pet.
Or the one that is ate up with the arrogant dumbass.
Or the one that claims titles he can not support.
Or the actual all around jerk that your posts say you are.

walksalone who knows the answers to the above statements, but jw doesn't.

As if you haven't suffered enough, more from St. John the liar theater.


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have my baseball bat handy! I'd LOVE to teach you some respect!

And God says, "I can threaten, but I can't harm you until the 2nd
coming!"

Darn! You're SUCH a little weasel! I was giving you some slack for
being a war vet, but you've used that up by being a TOTAL prick!
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Would Jesus ride the short bus to school?
As the Son of God, Jesus certainly must have known that people might
question his divinity, his teachings, his very existence. He was,
after all,
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omniscient, wasn't he?
Actually, Jesus was fully human,
Yes, fully human, and fully divine.
If the RCC teaches that He didn't become God until the baptism, then
the RCC teaches heresy.
and most professions
Kindly don't make such statements ! ^ ^ I doubt seriously if
you've lived long-- or if you will ever live long-- to speak for
"most."
are that he didn't know of
his divine nature until shortly before his trip to the cross.
Rubbish!
He was sinless His entire life! How could any HUMAN child not sin?
That would be a contradiction. If Jesus was fully human, then Jesus
would have sinned just like a human. ...
• Indeed. Jesus proved he was fully human by beating pushcart vendors
with knotted ropes. Also, making wine (from on-site water no less) to
serve to wedding party goers who were already staggering drunk was very
probably a violation of a Judean alcholic beverage ordinance.
Those events are called
1. the cleansing of the temple, about which much has been written.
• Call it what you like but this was the temple that
Just exactly why ARE you in here, when you've demonstrated such an
IGNORANCE of Christianity and such a contempt?
You MUST be an attention WHORE!
john w
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Indeed. Jesus proved he was fully human by beating pushcart
vendors with knotted ropes. Also, making wine (from on-site water no
less) to serve to wedding party goers who were already staggering
drunk was very probably a violation of a Judean alcholic beverage
ordinance.
Those events are called
1. the cleansing of the temple, about which much has been written.
Most of what has been written has been for the feeding of the sheep, &
wrong. But then, your handlers are proud of you, you don't know how to
think for yourself in matters of mythology.
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2. and the first miracle, about which it has been shown that even
God could enjoy a good vintage.
No, it would not have been an acceptable miracle to a Hebrew audience, but
it was acceptable to the Greeks that wrote the Greek testaments.
Again, your inability to do your own research indicates that you make a
good parrot, & lousy xian theologian.
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I still don't get why you don't believe, but you have this intense
NEED to pick each story apart.
For the same reason that you need to pretend to have something to say?
Except, the OP has something to say, something you can not comprehend due
to the paralysis of your mind when your myth is involved. BTW, thanks for
admitting they are just stories.
Post by john w <***@yahoo.com>
???
What's THAT about?
Xianity is no longer above serious examination & scrtutiny in the free
world, & now you know more than you did, but less than you should.
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Editorial: IMO, Christians hate like hell to consider the above
issues because it casts a shadow of doubt on their precious,
post-325AD, perfect-sacrifice dogma.
?????
Your opinion is bovine excrement. In fact, both events have been
discussed exhaustively in church and in seminaries.
Discussed & still not understood. But then, it's a mystery to believers &
a farce to those that think for themselves.

which wannabe this time johnniiee, the loose lipped paralyzed from the
eyebrows up bleater that hasn't a clue about the subject under discussion,
but pretends he does. That's one way to garner narcissistic supply points.

walksalone who finds it comical when jw tries to pull the old "I know more
than you" act. He implies knowledge that he can not demonstrate, & expects
as it's good enough for him, it must be good enough for everyone else. it
isn't, in either case.


& now, more from St. John the liar theater.


Re: Christ's Return
Post by john w <***@yahoo.com>
Has anyone out there discovered (strictly from having studied the
scriptures, and from having had the leadership of the Holy Spirit) that
Christ returned by 70 a.d., as described in I Thessalonians 4, and as He
described in the gospels?
I don't recall anywhere I've read in the Bible that Jesus or any apostle
said He'd come back by A.D. 70. I don't see that anywhere in I Thess.I
don't
see such a proclamation in the Gospels.
I am confused. Or perhaps you are.
j
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That would be a contradiction. If Jesus was fully human, then Jesus
would have sinned just like a human. ...
• Indeed. Jesus proved he was fully human by beating pushcart vendors
with knotted ropes.
Hey, I just go by God's revelation. Heb 4:15.

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That would be a contradiction. If Jesus was fully human, then Jesus
would have sinned just like a human. ...
• Indeed. Jesus proved he was fully human by beating pushcart vendors
with knotted ropes.
Hey, I just go by God's revelation. Heb 4:15.
• God wrote it ?
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That would be a contradiction. If Jesus was fully human, then Jesus
would have sinned just like a human. ...
• Indeed. Jesus proved he was fully human by beating pushcart vendors
with knotted ropes.
Hey, I just go by God's revelation. Heb 4:15.
You are a pathological (habitual) liar.

What you "go by" is Rome's pronouncements.

That makes you a "spiritual whore".

Plain and simple.
john w
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That would be a contradiction. If Jesus was fully human, then Jesus
would have sinned just like a human. ...
• Indeed. Jesus proved he was fully human by beating pushcart vendors
with knotted ropes.
Hey, I just go by God's revelation. Heb 4:15.
You are a pathological (habitual) liar.
What you "go by" is Rome's pronouncements.
• Indeed

"We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be
white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides."
- - - Saint Ignatius Loyola (1491-1556) Founder of the Jesuit Order.
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Would Jesus ride the short bus to school?
As the Son of God, Jesus certainly must have known that people might
question his divinity, his teachings, his very existence. He was, after all,
omniscient, wasn't he?
Actually, Jesus was fully human, and most professions are that he didn't know of
his divine nature until shortly before his trip to the cross.
And he didn't fully accomplish his divine nature until he got off from
the cross.
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duke
2007-12-15 13:43:58 UTC
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Would Jesus ride the short bus to school?
As the Son of God, Jesus certainly must have known that people might
question his divinity, his teachings, his very existence. He was, after all,
omniscient, wasn't he?
Actually, Jesus was fully human, and most professions are that he didn't know of
his divine nature until shortly before his trip to the cross.
And he didn't fully accomplish his divine nature until he got off from
the cross.
Actually right after the moment he said "it is finished".

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Feng
2007-12-15 14:58:19 UTC
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Post by Ghamph
Would Jesus ride the short bus to school?
As the Son of God, Jesus certainly must have known that people might
question his divinity, his teachings, his very existence. He was, after all,
omniscient, wasn't he?
Actually, Jesus was fully human, and most professions are that he didn't know of
his divine nature until shortly before his trip to the cross.
And he didn't fully accomplish his divine nature until he got off from
the cross.
Actually right after the moment he said "it is finished".
Ok. Hm, I'm just glad you said "after".
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Post by Ghamph
Would Jesus ride the short bus to school?
As the Son of God, Jesus certainly must have known that people might
question his divinity, his teachings, his very existence. He was, after all,
omniscient, wasn't he?
Actually, Jesus was fully human, and most professions are that he didn't know of
his divine nature until shortly before his trip to the cross.
You have an over active and not very intelligent imagination!
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Would Jesus ride the short bus to school?
As the Son of God, Jesus certainly must have known that people might
question his divinity, his teachings, his very existence. He was, after all,
omniscient, wasn't he? Why not leave some proof, some brain droppings? What
better proof than writings , documents, in his own hand, if possible, that
clearly and unequivocally demonstrate his existence, his superior knowledge,
his intention for the future, his relationship with his Dad, etc.
I'm sure many Christians will say that he did, and point to the Gospels. But
that's unsatisfactory for any number of reasons.
* First, the Gospels were not written by him. (They weren't written by
Matthew, Mark, Luke and John either, but that's another topic for another
day.) They were written by unknown authors anywhere from 30 to 100 years
after he allegedly died. Why didn't he write his own memoirs?
* Second, they are incomplete. They have little biographical information
in them about his first 30 years, for instance, dwelling on his last three,
and between the four Gospels, they contradict each other in many respects.
Where's an editor when you need one?
* Third, the fact that he was supposedly a carpenter's son, and hence
relatively uneducated, should not have prevented him leaving some evidence
of his own existence. He was god (for god's sake)!
€€ How could he have been God if he was the sole student who attended a
40-day seminar in the Negev that was taught by God ? Also, if Jesus was
God. then was not Jesus Jesus' father ?
Post by Ghamph
He could do anything he
wanted.
€€ He could not revise history.
Post by Ghamph
To point to his apparent illiteracy is a non-starter of an argument
or defense. What's the point of having someone else write his biography,
when an autobiography would have been far more convincing?
So why did he not leave some evidence of his existence? A lock of hair would
be nice. Maybe a photograph? (he could do it, he was GOD after all.)
The obvious answer is.well.obvious, isn't it?
€€ it's obvious to me that it does not add up.
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Post by Ghamph
Would Jesus ride the short bus to school?
As the Son of God, Jesus certainly must have known that people might
question his divinity, his teachings, his very existence. He was, after all,
omniscient, wasn't he? Why not leave some proof, some brain droppings? What
better proof than writings , documents, in his own hand, if possible, that
clearly and unequivocally demonstrate his existence, his superior knowledge,
his intention for the future, his relationship with his Dad, etc.
I'm sure many Christians will say that he did, and point to the Gospels. But
that's unsatisfactory for any number of reasons.
* First, the Gospels were not written by him. (They weren't written by
Matthew, Mark, Luke and John either, but that's another topic for another
day.) They were written by unknown authors anywhere from 30 to 100 years
after he allegedly died. Why didn't he write his own memoirs?
* Second, they are incomplete. They have little biographical information
in them about his first 30 years, for instance, dwelling on his last three,
and between the four Gospels, they contradict each other in many respects.
Where's an editor when you need one?
* Third, the fact that he was supposedly a carpenter's son, and hence
relatively uneducated, should not have prevented him leaving some evidence
of his own existence. He was god (for god's sake)!
€€ How could he have been God if he was the sole student who attended a
40-day seminar in the Negev that was taught by God ? Also, if Jesus was
God. then was not Jesus Jesus' father ?
I would sincerely not expect such silly discourse from people who
claim to be thoughtful, thinking adults!

One lives and learns. Religious intolerance, and racial tolerance
are alive and well and hiding in Usenet!
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Post by Ghamph
He could do anything he
wanted.
€€ He could not revise history.
Post by Ghamph
To point to his apparent illiteracy is a non-starter of an argument
or defense. What's the point of having someone else write his biography,
when an autobiography would have been far more convincing?
So why did he not leave some evidence of his existence? A lock of hair would
be nice. Maybe a photograph? (he could do it, he was GOD after all.)
The obvious answer is.well.obvious, isn't it?
€€ it's obvious to me that it does not add up.
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Post by Ghamph
Would Jesus ride the short bus to school?
As the Son of God, Jesus certainly must have known that people might
question his divinity, his teachings, his very existence. He was, after all,
omniscient, wasn't he? Why not leave some proof, some brain droppings? What
better proof than writings , documents, in his own hand, if possible, that
clearly and unequivocally demonstrate his existence, his superior knowledge,
his intention for the future, his relationship with his Dad, etc.
I'm sure many Christians will say that he did, and point to the Gospels. But
that's unsatisfactory for any number of reasons.
* First, the Gospels were not written by him. (They weren't written by
Matthew, Mark, Luke and John either, but that's another topic for another
day.) They were written by unknown authors anywhere from 30 to 100 years
after he allegedly died. Why didn't he write his own memoirs?
* Second, they are incomplete. They have little biographical information
in them about his first 30 years, for instance, dwelling on his last three,
and between the four Gospels, they contradict each other in many respects.
Where's an editor when you need one?
* Third, the fact that he was supposedly a carpenter's son, and hence
relatively uneducated, should not have prevented him leaving some evidence
of his own existence. He was god (for god's sake)!
€€ How could he have been God if he was the sole student who attended a
40-day seminar in the Negev that was taught by God ? Also, if Jesus was
God. then was not Jesus Jesus' father ?
I would sincerely not expect such silly discourse from people who
claim to be thoughtful, thinking adults!
€€ the questions are not indeterminant.
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One lives and learns. Religious intolerance, and racial tolerance
are alive and well and hiding in Usenet!
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Post by Ghamph
He could do anything he
wanted.
€€ He could not revise history.
Post by Ghamph
To point to his apparent illiteracy is a non-starter of an argument
or defense. What's the point of having someone else write his biography,
when an autobiography would have been far more convincing?
So why did he not leave some evidence of his existence? A lock of hair would
be nice. Maybe a photograph? (he could do it, he was GOD after all.)
The obvious answer is.well.obvious, isn't it?
€€ it's obvious to me that it does not add up.
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Would Jesus ride the short bus to school?
As the Son of God, Jesus certainly must have known that people might
question his divinity,
??? Of course, He knew! People questioned His deity in His day!
They challenged His deity to His face!
"If you're really the Son of God, come down off that cross!"
"If you're REALLY the Son of God, tell us which of us punched you in
the face."
"If you're REALLY the Son of God, do a miracle for me! I want to
WATCH!" (early voyeurism)
his teachings,
??? What do you think the hecklers were all about?

You truly haven't read much of the Bible, have you?
One of His most famous mini-sermons began with heckling.
"Hey, PREACHER! Do we pay taxes, or not?"
(this turned into the mini-sermon where He asked a person in the
audience for a coin)

Your comments indicate -- knowledgeable-- WORLDLY knowledgeable
skeptic that you are -- you don't have even a rudimentary knowledge of
scripture! (< that's what we call the Bible)

his very existence.

??? People of His day were supposed to ask Him, "Are you really
there? You really aren't there, are you?"

He was,
Post by Ghamph
after all,
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omniscient, wasn't he?
^ ^ ^ Sounds like you have some doubts.

Why not leave some proof, some brain droppings?

Why don't you respect others? How EXACTLY does Christianity harm
YOU? Be specific.
I wonder why you-- such a KNOWLEDGABLE un-believer-- hang out in a
Christian group so much!
(people will talk)

What
Post by Ghamph
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Post by Ghamph
better proof than writings , documents, in his own hand,
Why EXACTLY would Jesus need to write anything down?
He knew (being God, being omniscient-- as you said) that the
apostles would write it all down.
(they may have been taking notes while He preached)
YOU don't know otherwise!
You WANT to THINK otherwise!

if possible, that
Post by Ghamph
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Post by Ghamph
clearly and unequivocally demonstrate his existence, his superior
knowledge,
????
Um... in most respects, he did!
It isn't His fault that you choose to not believe!

There are plenty of people smarter than me, smarter than you (MUCH
smarter than YOU), who DO believe.
Shall I list a dozen names of some very smart Christians?

I bet you'd call William J Clinton and Hillary R "pretty smart."
He's an openly-confessing Christian.

I believe the world will agree in 20 years (many already agree) that
Ron Reagan was one of our best, and one of our smartest Presidents.
ANOTHER openly-professing Christian.

Then there are two of the most famous GENERALS in the world, Gen
Colin Powell, and Gen Norman Schwarzkopf, both OUTSPOKEN Christians.

Then we have a dozen astronauts from John Glenn to Col Jim Irwin, to
Gus Grissom (the one whose capsule sank)

I don't know about you, but I'd say astronauts are pretty smart
fellows. Last I heard, one count has it that up to 1/3 of our
astronauts are Christians.
Pretty smart guys, and they're convinced.

What's YOUR problem?

I know judges (Judge Mullian - People's Court)
Judge Joe Brown, Judge Greg Mathis
Judge Maybelline Ephraim

shall I continue?

I know doctors who are Christians. They're pretty smart!
I know lawyers who are. I know nurses who are.
I know engineers who are. I know programmers and technicians who are.

In fact, when you sneer about "stupid, gullible Christians"
you're saying I'm stupid and gullible.
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his intention for the future, his relationship with his Dad, etc.
Hmmm. Al that is in the Bible.
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I'm sure many Christians will say that he did, and point to the
Gospels. But
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that's unsatisfactory for any number of reasons.
Your narrow view doesn't count.
Too many disagree with your view of "the views."
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* First, the Gospels were not written by him. (They weren't written by
Matthew, Mark, Luke and John either, but that's another topic for another
day.)
That is not true. We do have evidence that
1. eyewitnesses 2. who KNEW Him wrote the gospels.

They were written by unknown authors anywhere from 30 to 100 years
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after he allegedly died
Not true, and it's easy to challenge who wrote the gospels WHEN,
THOUSANDS of years later.

In a thousand years, I wonder if anyone will be able to prove, with
HARD Evidence, that YOU existed.

Unlikely!

. Why didn't he write his own memoirs?

I suppose you could make plans to ask Him.

Perhaps you'd like to take a moment and ask Him now.
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* Second, they are incomplete.
In your opinion, which many don't share.

Most Bible scholars-- at least the conservative
theologians/scholars, don't agree.

They'd say-- as I would say-- "we have what we need."
It's a wonder, as old as the Bible is, that we have any documents at
all! That all by itself is a proof of their veracity.

They have little biographical
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information
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in them about his first 30 years, for instance, dwelling on his last three,
AGAIN, most scholars don't believe that matters.
Name me any citizen of the 1st century or before, who we have
endless biographical details about.

If we had exhaustive details about Jesus, some might be tempted to
worship places He slept, places He ate His meals. They might want to
worship cups He drank from.
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and between the four Gospels, they contradict each other in many respects.
"Many?"
I don't think so. Having read the 4 gospels MANY times over 60
years, I keep looking for these "discrepancies."

They don't exist outside your mind.
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Where's an editor when you need one?
* Third, the fact that he was supposedly a carpenter's son, and hence
relatively uneducated, should not have prevented him leaving some evidence
of his own existence.
As a Jewish male, He received the typical temple education, as
evidenced by His ability to get up on Saturday in the Temple, open the
scrolls, and read from the prophets.
He could read, and He knew the language of His people.
If you're going to make fun of a fictional character, making
reference to His inadequacies is not just not classy, it's down right
stupid.

And there is evidence of His existence.

And now, I've given you several paragraphs to show some evidence of
intelligent life.

You haven't.

Sorry! My bad!

I had mistakenly placed you among the intellects.


John w

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