Discussion:
I Am A Christian ...I Could NEVER Vote For The Abortion Party, The Democrat Party
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Tracey12
2006-10-23 16:51:55 UTC
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As a Christian, I am 100 percent supportive of Life. Killing unborn
babies is insane.

There are no exceptions save this one: If the mothers life is going to
be taken because of rejection of the unborn child, and the unborn child
is too young to take care of in the hospital, then and only then should
the child have to give up his or her life, and this is a rare situation.
z
2006-10-23 16:54:45 UTC
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Post by Tracey12
As a Christian, I am 100 percent supportive of Life. Killing unborn
babies is insane.
There are no exceptions save this one: If the mothers life is going to
be taken because of rejection of the unborn child, and the unborn child
is too young to take care of in the hospital, then and only then should
the child have to give up his or her life, and this is a rare situation.
You also oppose the War in Iraq and the Death Penalty too right?
Sid9
2006-10-23 16:54:39 UTC
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Post by Tracey12
As a Christian, I am 100 percent supportive of Life. Killing unborn
babies is insane.
There are no exceptions save this one: If the mothers life is going to
be taken because of rejection of the unborn child, and the unborn
child is too young to take care of in the hospital, then and only
then should the child have to give up his or her life, and this is a
rare situation.
Very good. If you ever have to face that type of decision we know you will
do what you believe.

Others may disagree and do what may save their lives.

That would be none of your business, nor would it be any of the government's
business.
ZenIsWhen
2006-10-23 20:04:45 UTC
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Post by Sid9
Post by Tracey12
As a Christian, I am 100 percent supportive of Life. Killing unborn
babies is insane.
There are no exceptions save this one: If the mothers life is going to
be taken because of rejection of the unborn child, and the unborn
child is too young to take care of in the hospital, then and only
then should the child have to give up his or her life, and this is a
rare situation.
I don't recall seeing you ever post an "anti-war" message; or even an
anti-state execution post.
Interesting that your buddy Bush is well know for being on the wrong side of
both actions.
I guess your claimed 100 percent if outrageously flexable.
Post by Sid9
Very good. If you ever have to face that type of decision we know you will
do what you believe.
Others may disagree and do what may save their lives.
That would be none of your business, nor would it be any of the
government's business.
Goosestepping Old Party
2006-10-23 23:49:33 UTC
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Post by Tracey12
As a Christian, I am 100 percent supportive of Life. Killing unborn
babies is insane.
Killing /born/ babies in Iraq is perfectly acceptable.
bob
2006-10-23 16:55:37 UTC
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Post by Tracey12
As a Christian, I am 100 percent supportive of Life. Killing unborn
babies is insane.
Killing babies is illegal. Calling a fetus an 'unborn baby' doesn't
make it one.
Post by Tracey12
If the mothers life is going to
be taken because of rejection of the unborn child, and the unborn child
is too young to take care of in the hospital, then and only then should
the child have to give up his or her life, and this is a rare situation.
A conservative is someone who believes that life begins at conception
and ends birth.....


Go fuck yourself.....
8 Ball
2006-10-23 16:56:11 UTC
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Abortion isn't used enough in this country.
--
". I too believe the North Vietnamese read the CONGRESSIONAL RECORD.
According to Page Robinson, they certainly knew of the antiwar speeches that
were made before. I think it is important that we show unified support and
concern for the families of the missing in action...."
-John Murtha, 1974 [Congressional Record]
Post by Tracey12
As a Christian, I am 100 percent supportive of Life. Killing unborn
babies is insane.
There are no exceptions save this one: If the mothers life is going to
be taken because of rejection of the unborn child, and the unborn child
is too young to take care of in the hospital, then and only then should
the child have to give up his or her life, and this is a rare situation.
k***@yahoo.com
2006-10-23 17:39:36 UTC
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Post by 8 Ball
Abortion isn't used enough in this country.
A finer spokesperson for your cause couldn't be found, Ate Balls!
Arizona Bushwhacker
2006-10-23 17:26:37 UTC
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Post by Tracey12
As a Christian, I am 100 percent supportive of Life. Killing unborn
babies is insane.
But yet you pro life types have no problem with US Soldiers shooting
little girls while they hide under bed?

You see, I don't approve of abortion at all.
The only thing worse than an abortion would
be for an over intrusive government to impose
the taliban christian republican pedo supporter's
warped sense of morality on the nation through
legislation.

But wait...
You fucking republican pedo supporters all support
bloated, intrusive government imposing morality onto
America.
Jennie
2006-10-23 17:09:36 UTC
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Well, the Bush admin is killing babies, men and woman. Abortion and the war
in Iraq.
Post by Arizona Bushwhacker
Post by Tracey12
As a Christian, I am 100 percent supportive of Life. Killing unborn
babies is insane.
But yet you pro life types have no problem with US Soldiers shooting
little girls while they hide under bed?
You see, I don't approve of abortion at all.
The only thing worse than an abortion would
be for an over intrusive government to impose
the taliban christian republican pedo supporter's
warped sense of morality on the nation through
legislation.
But wait...
You fucking republican pedo supporters all support
bloated, intrusive government imposing morality onto
America.
Jennie
2006-10-23 17:31:32 UTC
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Before Bush leaves off he will have killed a million men and woman, and give
our country to Mexico....
Post by Jennie
Well, the Bush admin is killing babies, men and woman. Abortion and the
war in Iraq.
Post by Arizona Bushwhacker
Post by Tracey12
As a Christian, I am 100 percent supportive of Life. Killing unborn
babies is insane.
But yet you pro life types have no problem with US Soldiers shooting
little girls while they hide under bed?
You see, I don't approve of abortion at all.
The only thing worse than an abortion would
be for an over intrusive government to impose
the taliban christian republican pedo supporter's
warped sense of morality on the nation through
legislation.
But wait...
You fucking republican pedo supporters all support
bloated, intrusive government imposing morality onto
America.
Tracey1212
2006-10-23 17:18:09 UTC
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Post by Arizona Bushwhacker
Post by Tracey12
As a Christian, I am 100 percent supportive of Life. Killing unborn
babies is insane.
But yet you pro life types have no problem with US Soldiers shooting
little girls while they hide under bed?
You see, I don't approve of abortion at all.
The only thing worse than an abortion would
be for an over intrusive government to impose
the taliban christian republican pedo supporter's
warped sense of morality on the nation through
legislation.
But wait...
You fucking republican pedo supporters all support
bloated, intrusive government imposing morality onto
America.
As opposed to you supporters of atheism, a forced Secular Progressive
society that outlaws churches, teaching our children our faith, and
national / global socialism?

Yes, I see your point.

You guys are doing satans work.
Arizona Bushwhacker
2006-10-23 17:50:25 UTC
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Post by Tracey1212
Post by Arizona Bushwhacker
Post by Tracey12
As a Christian, I am 100 percent supportive of Life. Killing unborn
babies is insane.
But yet you pro life types have no problem with US Soldiers shooting
little girls while they hide under bed?
You see, I don't approve of abortion at all.
The only thing worse than an abortion would
be for an over intrusive government to impose
the taliban christian republican pedo supporter's
warped sense of morality on the nation through
legislation.
But wait...
You fucking republican pedo supporters all support
bloated, intrusive government imposing morality onto
America.
As opposed to you supporters of atheism, a forced Secular Progressive
society that outlaws churches, teaching our children our faith, and
national / global socialism?
Yes, I see your point.
You guys are doing satans work.
When have I ever suggested we outlaw Churches?
I support freedom of religion. Unlike you idiots
who tell us the first step to religious freedom is to
kill all the Muslims, and atheists, scientists.
bob
2006-10-23 17:29:40 UTC
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Post by Tracey1212
Post by Arizona Bushwhacker
Post by Tracey12
As a Christian, I am 100 percent supportive of Life. Killing unborn
babies is insane.
But yet you pro life types have no problem with US Soldiers shooting
little girls while they hide under bed?
You see, I don't approve of abortion at all.
The only thing worse than an abortion would
be for an over intrusive government to impose
the taliban christian republican pedo supporter's
warped sense of morality on the nation through
legislation.
But wait...
You fucking republican pedo supporters all support
bloated, intrusive government imposing morality onto
America.
As opposed to you supporters of atheism, a forced Secular Progressive
society that outlaws churches,
ROFLMAO!! Screw that tin-foil hat on a little tighter missy. Please
provide any evidence that churches have been outlawed. When you spew
nonsense like that you look like a complete idiot.
Post by Tracey1212
teaching our children our faith, and
national / global socialism?
More nonsense.
Post by Tracey1212
Yes, I see your point.
You guys are doing satans work.
You really believe in satan? You are a fool.
dangdangdoodle
2006-10-23 17:39:43 UTC
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Post by Tracey1212
Post by Arizona Bushwhacker
Post by Tracey12
As a Christian, I am 100 percent supportive of Life. Killing unborn
babies is insane.
But yet you pro life types have no problem with US Soldiers shooting
little girls while they hide under bed?
You see, I don't approve of abortion at all.
The only thing worse than an abortion would
be for an over intrusive government to impose
the taliban christian republican pedo supporter's
warped sense of morality on the nation through
legislation.
But wait...
You fucking republican pedo supporters all support
bloated, intrusive government imposing morality onto
America.
As opposed to you supporters of atheism, a forced Secular Progressive
society that outlaws churches, teaching our children our faith, and
national / global socialism?
Yes, I see your point.
You guys are doing satans work.
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I haven't heard anything about outlawing churches. No wonder you people are so
wacko. Who the hell is filling your head with that sort of nonsense? Who is
yanking your chains of fear these days?
--
the dang
Adam Albright
2006-10-23 19:05:06 UTC
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Post by Tracey1212
Post by Arizona Bushwhacker
Post by Tracey12
As a Christian, I am 100 percent supportive of Life. Killing unborn
babies is insane.
But yet you pro life types have no problem with US Soldiers shooting
little girls while they hide under bed?
You see, I don't approve of abortion at all.
The only thing worse than an abortion would
be for an over intrusive government to impose
the taliban christian republican pedo supporter's
warped sense of morality on the nation through
legislation.
But wait...
You fucking republican pedo supporters all support
bloated, intrusive government imposing morality onto
America.
As opposed to you supporters of atheism, a forced Secular Progressive
society that outlaws churches, teaching our children our faith, and
national / global socialism?
Yes, I see your point.
You guys are doing satans work.
You are nothing but a lying sick psycho bitch. I think your problem is
you need to get laid. BAD! Lots of luck. I can only imagine the wimpy
little dickless wonder "male" in your life or are you a closet lesbo?
G-Net
2006-10-23 21:55:50 UTC
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Post by Tracey1212
Post by Arizona Bushwhacker
Post by Tracey12
As a Christian, I am 100 percent supportive of Life. Killing unborn
babies is insane.
But yet you pro life types have no problem with US Soldiers shooting
little girls while they hide under bed?
You see, I don't approve of abortion at all.
The only thing worse than an abortion would
be for an over intrusive government to impose
the taliban christian republican pedo supporter's
warped sense of morality on the nation through
legislation.
But wait...
You fucking republican pedo supporters all support
bloated, intrusive government imposing morality onto
America.
As opposed to you supporters of atheism, a forced Secular Progressive
society that outlaws churches, teaching our children our faith, and
national / global socialism?
Yes, I see your point.
You guys are doing satans work.
Amen!
G-Net
2006-10-23 21:55:06 UTC
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Post by Arizona Bushwhacker
Post by Tracey12
As a Christian, I am 100 percent supportive of Life. Killing unborn
babies is insane.
But yet you pro life types have no problem with US Soldiers shooting
little girls while they hide under bed?
Who supports killing innocent children? I know of no one who would support
that. There are casualties of war but no one deliberately kills innocent
Children
except for abortionists.
Post by Arizona Bushwhacker
You see, I don't approve of abortion at all.
The only thing worse than an abortion would
be for an over intrusive government to impose
the taliban christian republican pedo supporter's
warped sense of morality on the nation through
legislation.
But wait...
You fucking republican pedo supporters all support
bloated, intrusive government imposing morality onto
America.
A gross and incorrect assumption.
Roedy Green
2006-10-23 22:34:05 UTC
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On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 10:26:37 -0700, "Arizona Bushwhacker"
Post by Arizona Bushwhacker
But yet you pro life types have no problem with US Soldiers shooting
little girls while they hide under bed?
“One should never forbid what one lacks the power to prevent.”
~ Napoleon Bonaparte

To a Christian, the right to life ends at birth. It restarts after you
are pronounced brain dead.

In my view, the middle part is the most important part, by far.

For details of my arguments see
http://mindprod.com/politics/abortion.html


"America stands for liberty, for the pursuit of happiness and for the
unalienable right for life. This right to life cannot be granted or
denied by government because it does not come from government, it
comes from the creator of life."
~ George W. Bush (can you guess where he really stands? Many claim he
had one in 1970)
--
Canadian Mind Products, Roedy Green, http://mindprod.com
More than anything else you want the end of the Republican reign of terror.
Buy a big chunk of it at http://www.democrats.org/
Rightwinghank
2006-10-23 17:03:54 UTC
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Post by Tracey12
As a Christian, I am 100 percent supportive of Life. Killing unborn
babies is insane.
There are no exceptions save this one: If the mothers life is going to
be taken because of rejection of the unborn child, and the unborn child
is too young to take care of in the hospital, then and only then should
the child have to give up his or her life, and this is a rare situation.
..........................
Tracey.....I live in NJ.....and while it is full of christians.....it
votes totally democrat...the

party that protects abortion.

I am thinking of changing my religion....as I cannot stand these two
faced people who go

to church every week and ten vote like that.

hank
....................................................................
Harry
2006-10-23 17:48:23 UTC
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Post by Rightwinghank
Post by Tracey12
As a Christian, I am 100 percent supportive of Life. Killing unborn
babies is insane.
There are no exceptions save this one: If the mothers life is going to
be taken because of rejection of the unborn child, and the unborn child
is too young to take care of in the hospital, then and only then should
the child have to give up his or her life, and this is a rare situation.
..........................
Tracey.....I live in NJ.....and while it is full of christians.....it
votes totally democrat...the
party that protects abortion.
I am thinking of changing my religion....as I cannot stand these two
faced people who go
to church every week and ten vote like that.
hank
....................................................................
Hello,

Youare getting "Christians" mixed up with Catholics . . .
Theyarenot even the same species. One worships the
Father of the Saviour, Jesus, while the other worships the
Sodomistic Papacy.

Truly
Harry
2006-10-23 17:05:13 UTC
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Post by Tracey12
As a Christian, I am 100 percent supportive of Life. Killing unborn
babies is insane.
There are no exceptions save this one: If the mothers life is going to
be taken because of rejection of the unborn child, and the unborn child
is too young to take care of in the hospital, then and only then should
the child have to give up his or her life, and this is a rare situation.
Hello,

Beg your pardon, but what does this
have to do with you being a "Christian"?

THE CHOSEN:
And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed
and heirs according to the promise. (Galatians 3:29)

Rev. 17:14 These shall make war with the Lamb,
and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord
of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with
him [are] called, and chosen, and faithful.

"Ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a
holy nation, a peculiar people...Which in time past
were not a people, but are now the people of God" (I Peter 2: 9,10).

"Whoso denieth the Son the same hath not the
Father" (I John 2:23).

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Truly
Nebuchadnezzar II
2006-10-23 17:11:42 UTC
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guilty conscience is a bitch, isn't it?
GOP=Greedy Old Perverts
2006-10-23 17:17:39 UTC
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Post by Tracey12
As a Christian, I am 100 percent supportive of Life.
So are you also against the death penalty?
Do you also support feeding the poor at all cost?
Are you against any form of war and killing?

Do you see yourself as a hypocrite?
G-Net
2006-10-23 21:52:46 UTC
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Post by GOP=Greedy Old Perverts
Post by Tracey12
As a Christian, I am 100 percent supportive of Life.
So are you also against the death penalty?
What does the death penalty have to do with abortion in the first place?
Post by GOP=Greedy Old Perverts
Do you also support feeding the poor at all cost?
Define who the "poor" are and define "at all cost". I for one would never
support feeding the lazy. I would support helping those who are trying to
help themselves for example.
Post by GOP=Greedy Old Perverts
Are you against any form of war and killing?
If America is attacked, as it was on Sept. 11th, I would absolutely support
killing whoever is responsible.
Post by GOP=Greedy Old Perverts
Do you see yourself as a hypocrite?
NO!
reality
2006-10-23 22:12:18 UTC
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Post by G-Net
Post by GOP=Greedy Old Perverts
Post by Tracey12
As a Christian, I am 100 percent supportive of Life.
So are you also against the death penalty?
What does the death penalty have to do with abortion in the first place?
Both are pro-life issues. If you are truly pro-life then you would
never support the state sponsored taking of a human life under any
circumstances. Otherwise you are a hypocrite.
Post by G-Net
Post by GOP=Greedy Old Perverts
Do you also support feeding the poor at all cost?
Define who the "poor" are and define "at all cost". I for one would never
support feeding the lazy. I would support helping those who are trying to
help themselves for example.
The problem with ultra right wingers is that they are radically against
abortion, but once the child is born to a dirt poor family, especially
one of color, then they could care less if the poor little thing
starves to death because the family can't afford food.
Post by G-Net
Post by GOP=Greedy Old Perverts
Are you against any form of war and killing?
If America is attacked, as it was on Sept. 11th, I would absolutely support
killing whoever is responsible.
Then why is Osama still out there running around sticking his tongue
out at us and giving us the finger, while we are wasting American lives
and hundreds of billions of dollars attacking a country that had
absolutely nothing to do with 9/11?
Post by G-Net
Post by GOP=Greedy Old Perverts
Do you see yourself as a hypocrite?
NO!
See above.
G-Net
2006-10-23 22:21:27 UTC
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Post by reality
Post by G-Net
Post by GOP=Greedy Old Perverts
Post by Tracey12
As a Christian, I am 100 percent supportive of Life.
So are you also against the death penalty?
What does the death penalty have to do with abortion in the first place?
Both are pro-life issues. If you are truly pro-life then you would
never support the state sponsored taking of a human life under any
circumstances. Otherwise you are a hypocrite.
I don't agree that you have to be against the death penalty if you are
against
abortion. As I said, they are not at all the same issue. The death penalty
involves taking an adult's life because they committed a murder. An
abortion involves taking an innocent life who committed no crime whatso-
ever.
Post by reality
Post by G-Net
Post by GOP=Greedy Old Perverts
Do you also support feeding the poor at all cost?
Define who the "poor" are and define "at all cost". I for one would never
support feeding the lazy. I would support helping those who are trying to
help themselves for example.
The problem with ultra right wingers is that they are radically against
abortion, but once the child is born to a dirt poor family, especially
one of color, then they could care less if the poor little thing
starves to death because the family can't afford food.
I don't consider myself an "ultra right winger" but I am against abortion
for
obvious reasons. As far as children born to poor families, it makes no
difference what "color" they or their family are as far as I'm concerned. I
just
don't agree that we should put everyone on the public "dole" though, there
are better ways of dealing with poverty.
Post by reality
Post by G-Net
Post by GOP=Greedy Old Perverts
Are you against any form of war and killing?
If America is attacked, as it was on Sept. 11th, I would absolutely support
killing whoever is responsible.
Then why is Osama still out there running around sticking his tongue
out at us and giving us the finger, while we are wasting American lives
and hundreds of billions of dollars attacking a country that had
absolutely nothing to do with 9/11?
I presume that you are referring to Iraq? Maybe you haven't kept up on the
reports then. Iraq DID have lots to do with funding and training terrorists
and
also had chemical and possibly even nuclear weapons that they hide out
side of the country.
Post by reality
Post by G-Net
Post by GOP=Greedy Old Perverts
Do you see yourself as a hypocrite?
NO!
See above.
As I said I don't see the issues linked at you see them so I don't see
where it is hypocritical at all.
reality
2006-10-23 23:15:41 UTC
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Post by G-Net
Post by reality
Post by G-Net
Post by GOP=Greedy Old Perverts
Post by Tracey12
As a Christian, I am 100 percent supportive of Life.
So are you also against the death penalty?
What does the death penalty have to do with abortion in the first place?
Both are pro-life issues. If you are truly pro-life then you would
never support the state sponsored taking of a human life under any
circumstances. Otherwise you are a hypocrite.
I don't agree that you have to be against the death penalty if you are
against
abortion. As I said, they are not at all the same issue. The death penalty
involves taking an adult's life because they committed a murder. An
abortion involves taking an innocent life who committed no crime whatso-
ever.
Sorry, but you can't have it both ways. If you are truly pro-life,
then a human life should not be taken whether or not it is innocent.

BTW, how do you know that the fetus that you so want to protect from
being aborted will not grow up to be the person that you want to end up
killing?
Post by G-Net
Post by reality
Post by G-Net
Post by GOP=Greedy Old Perverts
Do you also support feeding the poor at all cost?
Define who the "poor" are and define "at all cost". I for one would never
support feeding the lazy. I would support helping those who are trying to
help themselves for example.
The problem with ultra right wingers is that they are radically against
abortion, but once the child is born to a dirt poor family, especially
one of color, then they could care less if the poor little thing
starves to death because the family can't afford food.
I don't consider myself an "ultra right winger" but I am against abortion
for obvious reasons.
Such as?
Post by G-Net
As far as children born to poor families, it makes no
difference what "color" they or their family are as far as I'm concerned. I
just
don't agree that we should put everyone on the public "dole" though, there
are better ways of dealing with poverty.
Well, the more unwanted poor children that are born, the more of them
will fall into that category. What is your plan to care for all of
those unwanted and outcast children?
Post by G-Net
Post by reality
Post by G-Net
Post by GOP=Greedy Old Perverts
Are you against any form of war and killing?
If America is attacked, as it was on Sept. 11th, I would absolutely support
killing whoever is responsible.
Then why is Osama still out there running around sticking his tongue
out at us and giving us the finger, while we are wasting American lives
and hundreds of billions of dollars attacking a country that had
absolutely nothing to do with 9/11?
I presume that you are referring to Iraq? Maybe you haven't kept up on the
reports then.
Apparently you haven't.
Post by G-Net
Iraq DID have lots to do with funding and training terrorists and
also had chemical and possibly even nuclear weapons that they hide out
side of the country.
Got any mainstream, non-right wing cites to prove that speculative
opinion?

The only part of Iraq that could have harbored terrorists with Saddam
in power were the areas that we controlled with the "no-fly zones".
Saddam hated Osama bin Laden and considered him and his followers as a
threat to his regime, so he killed all of the radical terrorists he
could get his hands on.
Post by G-Net
Post by reality
Post by G-Net
Post by GOP=Greedy Old Perverts
Do you see yourself as a hypocrite?
NO!
See above.
As I said I don't see the issues linked at you see them so I don't see
where it is hypocritical at all.
Of course you don't.
G-Net
2006-10-24 12:39:34 UTC
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Post by reality
Post by G-Net
Post by reality
Post by G-Net
Post by GOP=Greedy Old Perverts
Post by Tracey12
As a Christian, I am 100 percent supportive of Life.
So are you also against the death penalty?
What does the death penalty have to do with abortion in the first place?
Both are pro-life issues. If you are truly pro-life then you would
never support the state sponsored taking of a human life under any
circumstances. Otherwise you are a hypocrite.
I don't agree that you have to be against the death penalty if you are
against
abortion. As I said, they are not at all the same issue. The death penalty
involves taking an adult's life because they committed a murder. An
abortion involves taking an innocent life who committed no crime whatso-
ever.
Sorry, but you can't have it both ways. If you are truly pro-life,
then a human life should not be taken whether or not it is innocent.
I absolutely CAN be against abortion but SUPPORT the death penalty. I don't
really care who in a NG says that I can't, because I very well can. As I
said, I
see the issues a completely separate.
Post by reality
BTW, how do you know that the fetus that you so want to protect from
being aborted will not grow up to be the person that you want to end up
killing?
I have never wanted to kill anyone so I think it's a pretty safe bet that no
matter
how that person turns out, I won't want to kill them. That's not to say that
if
they grew up and broke into my house or threatened my family that I wouldn't
defend myself or my family, so what?
Post by reality
Post by G-Net
Post by reality
Post by G-Net
Post by GOP=Greedy Old Perverts
Do you also support feeding the poor at all cost?
Define who the "poor" are and define "at all cost". I for one would never
support feeding the lazy. I would support helping those who are trying to
help themselves for example.
The problem with ultra right wingers is that they are radically against
abortion, but once the child is born to a dirt poor family, especially
one of color, then they could care less if the poor little thing
starves to death because the family can't afford food.
I don't consider myself an "ultra right winger" but I am against abortion
for obvious reasons.
Such as?
Such as, it's murder and it's unneccessary.
Post by reality
Post by G-Net
As far as children born to poor families, it makes no
difference what "color" they or their family are as far as I'm concerned.
I just don't agree that we should put everyone on the public "dole"
though,
there are better ways of dealing with poverty.
Well, the more unwanted poor children that are born, the more of them
will fall into that category. What is your plan to care for all of
those unwanted and outcast children?
Why are there "unwanted" children in the first place? How can someone
engage in sexual activity without being aware that pregnancy can result?
Post by reality
Post by G-Net
Post by reality
Post by G-Net
Post by GOP=Greedy Old Perverts
Are you against any form of war and killing?
If America is attacked, as it was on Sept. 11th, I would absolutely support
killing whoever is responsible.
Then why is Osama still out there running around sticking his tongue
out at us and giving us the finger, while we are wasting American lives
and hundreds of billions of dollars attacking a country that had
absolutely nothing to do with 9/11?
I presume that you are referring to Iraq? Maybe you haven't kept up on the
reports then.
Apparently you haven't.
Actually I have which is why I made the statement that I did.
Post by reality
Post by G-Net
Iraq DID have lots to do with funding and training terrorists and
also had chemical and possibly even nuclear weapons that they hide out
side of the country.
Got any mainstream, non-right wing cites to prove that speculative
opinion?
All you have to do is watch the news and listen to television documentaries.
There is lots of information available.
Post by reality
The only part of Iraq that could have harbored terrorists with Saddam
in power were the areas that we controlled with the "no-fly zones".
Saddam hated Osama bin Laden and considered him and his followers as a
threat to his regime, so he killed all of the radical terrorists he
could get his hands on.
"Got any mainstream, non-right wing cites to prove that speculative
opinion?"
Post by reality
Post by G-Net
Post by reality
Post by G-Net
Post by GOP=Greedy Old Perverts
Do you see yourself as a hypocrite?
NO!
See above.
As I said I don't see the issues linked at you see them so I don't see
where it is hypocritical at all.
Of course you don't.
Of course you do....
reality
2006-10-24 21:14:36 UTC
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Post by reality
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Post by GOP=Greedy Old Perverts
Post by Tracey12
As a Christian, I am 100 percent supportive of Life.
So are you also against the death penalty?
What does the death penalty have to do with abortion in the first place?
Both are pro-life issues. If you are truly pro-life then you would
never support the state sponsored taking of a human life under any
circumstances. Otherwise you are a hypocrite.
I don't agree that you have to be against the death penalty if you are
against
abortion. As I said, they are not at all the same issue. The death penalty
involves taking an adult's life because they committed a murder. An
abortion involves taking an innocent life who committed no crime whatso-
ever.
Sorry, but you can't have it both ways. If you are truly pro-life,
then a human life should not be taken whether or not it is innocent.
I absolutely CAN be against abortion but SUPPORT the death penalty. I don't
really care who in a NG says that I can't, because I very well can. As I
said, I
see the issues a completely separate.
Hypocrite.
Post by G-Net
Post by reality
BTW, how do you know that the fetus that you so want to protect from
being aborted will not grow up to be the person that you want to end up
killing?
I have never wanted to kill anyone so I think it's a pretty safe bet that no
matter
how that person turns out, I won't want to kill them. That's not to say that
if
they grew up and broke into my house or threatened my family that I wouldn't
defend myself or my family, so what?
I'm referring to someone ending up on death row that you worked so hard
to "save".
Post by G-Net
Post by reality
Post by G-Net
Post by reality
Post by G-Net
Post by GOP=Greedy Old Perverts
Do you also support feeding the poor at all cost?
Define who the "poor" are and define "at all cost". I for one would never
support feeding the lazy. I would support helping those who are trying to
help themselves for example.
The problem with ultra right wingers is that they are radically against
abortion, but once the child is born to a dirt poor family, especially
one of color, then they could care less if the poor little thing
starves to death because the family can't afford food.
I don't consider myself an "ultra right winger" but I am against abortion
for obvious reasons.
Such as?
Such as, it's murder and it's unneccessary.
Please post the law that backs up that statement here ------>
Post by G-Net
Post by reality
Post by G-Net
As far as children born to poor families, it makes no
difference what "color" they or their family are as far as I'm concerned.
I just don't agree that we should put everyone on the public "dole"
though,
there are better ways of dealing with poverty.
Well, the more unwanted poor children that are born, the more of them
will fall into that category. What is your plan to care for all of
those unwanted and outcast children?
Why are there "unwanted" children in the first place? How can someone
engage in sexual activity without being aware that pregnancy can result?
So every time someone has sex, you advocate a gun being held to their
head in case of an unwanted pregnancy, even in the case of a birth
control failure like a broken condom?

Sounds like the way of thinking of the American version of the Taliban
to me.

Sorry, but here's a news flash: abortion will always be legal somewhere
in the U.S.
Post by G-Net
Post by reality
Post by G-Net
Post by reality
Post by G-Net
Post by GOP=Greedy Old Perverts
Are you against any form of war and killing?
If America is attacked, as it was on Sept. 11th, I would absolutely support
killing whoever is responsible.
Then why is Osama still out there running around sticking his tongue
out at us and giving us the finger, while we are wasting American lives
and hundreds of billions of dollars attacking a country that had
absolutely nothing to do with 9/11?
I presume that you are referring to Iraq? Maybe you haven't kept up on the
reports then.
Apparently you haven't.
Actually I have which is why I made the statement that I did.
Even your own presidunce has said that Iraq had nothing to do with
9/11.

http://www.newscloud.com/read/72852/
Post by G-Net
Post by reality
Post by G-Net
Iraq DID have lots to do with funding and training terrorists and
also had chemical and possibly even nuclear weapons that they hide out
side of the country.
Got any mainstream, non-right wing cites to prove that speculative
opinion?
All you have to do is watch the news and listen to television documentaries.
There is lots of information available.
Then where is your proof?

Here's mine:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2004-03-02-un-wmd_x.htm

http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2006/9/16/worldupdates/2006-09-16T025057Z_01_NOOTR_RTRJONC_0_-267810-1&sec=worldupdates

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6190720
Post by G-Net
Post by reality
The only part of Iraq that could have harbored terrorists with Saddam
in power were the areas that we controlled with the "no-fly zones".
Saddam hated Osama bin Laden and considered him and his followers as a
threat to his regime, so he killed all of the radical terrorists he
could get his hands on.
"Got any mainstream, non-right wing cites to prove that speculative
opinion?"
"Bluntly contradicting the Bush administration, the commission
investigating the Sept. 11 attacks reported Wednesday there was ``no
credible evidence'' that Saddam Hussein helped al-Qaida target the
United States.

``Bin Laden is said to have requested space to establish training
camps, as well as assistance in procuring weapons, but Iraq apparently
never responded,'' the report said. ``There have been reports that
contacts between Iraq and al-Qaida also occurred'' after bin Laden
moved his operations to Afghanistan in 1996, ``but they do not appear
to have resulted in a collaborative relationship,'' it said."

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0616-01.htm
G-Net
2006-10-24 23:08:55 UTC
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Post by Tracey12
As a Christian, I am 100 percent supportive of Life.
So are you also against the death penalty?
What does the death penalty have to do with abortion in the first place?
Both are pro-life issues. If you are truly pro-life then you would
never support the state sponsored taking of a human life under any
circumstances. Otherwise you are a hypocrite.
I don't agree that you have to be against the death penalty if you are
against abortion. As I said, they are not at all the same issue. The
death penalty involves taking an adult's life because they committed
a murder. An abortion involves taking an innocent life who committed
no crime whatso-ever.
Sorry, but you can't have it both ways. If you are truly pro-life,
then a human life should not be taken whether or not it is innocent.
I absolutely CAN be against abortion but SUPPORT the death penalty. I don't
really care who in a NG says that I can't, because I very well can. As I
said, I see the issues a completely separate.
Hypocrite.
Yeah, whatever...
Post by reality
Post by G-Net
Post by reality
BTW, how do you know that the fetus that you so want to protect from
being aborted will not grow up to be the person that you want to end up
killing?
I have never wanted to kill anyone so I think it's a pretty safe bet that no
matter how that person turns out, I won't want to kill them. That's not
to
say that if they grew up and broke into my house or threatened my family
that I wouldn't defend myself or my family, so what?
I'm referring to someone ending up on death row that you worked so hard
to "save".
If I had witnessed to someone who then committed murder and was sentenced to
death then it is of no consequence to me. I don't save anyone, God does.
Post by reality
Post by G-Net
Post by reality
Post by G-Net
Post by reality
Post by G-Net
Post by GOP=Greedy Old Perverts
Do you also support feeding the poor at all cost?
Define who the "poor" are and define "at all cost". I for one wou
ld
never support feeding the lazy. I would support helping those who
are trying to help themselves for example.
The problem with ultra right wingers is that they are radically against
abortion, but once the child is born to a dirt poor family, especially
one of color, then they could care less if the poor little thing
starves to death because the family can't afford food.
I don't consider myself an "ultra right winger" but I am against abortion
for obvious reasons.
Such as?
Such as, it's murder and it's unneccessary.
Please post the law that backs up that statement here ------>
I wasn't referring to civil or criminal law.
Post by reality
Post by G-Net
Post by reality
Post by G-Net
As far as children born to poor families, it makes no
difference what "color" they or their family are as far as I'm concerned.
I just don't agree that we should put everyone on the public "dole"
though, there are better ways of dealing with poverty.
Well, the more unwanted poor children that are born, the more of them
will fall into that category. What is your plan to care for all of
those unwanted and outcast children?
Why are there "unwanted" children in the first place? How can someone
engage in sexual activity without being aware that pregnancy can result?
So every time someone has sex, you advocate a gun being held to their
head in case of an unwanted pregnancy, even in the case of a birth
control failure like a broken condom?
What does a gun have to do with someone engaging in sexual activity? Well,
on second thought, maybe that's the only way you are able to engage in
sexual activity...

BTW, most "unwanted" pregnancies are not the result of a birth control
failure.
Post by reality
Sounds like the way of thinking of the American version of the Taliban
to me.
You are the one talking about putting a gun to someone's head, not me.
Post by reality
Sorry, but here's a news flash: abortion will always be legal somewhere
in the U.S.
Oh, gee and someone will alwasy use drugs too, so what?
Post by reality
Post by G-Net
Post by reality
Post by G-Net
Post by reality
Post by G-Net
Post by GOP=Greedy Old Perverts
Are you against any form of war and killing?
If America is attacked, as it was on Sept. 11th, I would absolutely
support killing whoever is responsible.
Then why is Osama still out there running around sticking his tongue
out at us and giving us the finger, while we are wasting American lives
and hundreds of billions of dollars attacking a country that had
absolutely nothing to do with 9/11?
I presume that you are referring to Iraq? Maybe you haven't kept up on
the reports then.
Apparently you haven't.
Actually I have which is why I made the statement that I did.
Even your own presidunce has said that Iraq had nothing to do with
9/11.
http://www.newscloud.com/read/72852/
I don't know what you claim that the President has said, the news reports
have stated differently.
Post by reality
Post by G-Net
Post by reality
Post by G-Net
Iraq DID have lots to do with funding and training terrorists and
also had chemical and possibly even nuclear weapons that they hide out
side of the country.
Got any mainstream, non-right wing cites to prove that speculative
opinion?
All you have to do is watch the news and listen to television
documentaries.
There is lots of information available.
Then where is your proof?
So, you live in a cave and are unable to get news reports?
Post by reality
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2004-03-02-un-wmd_x.htm
http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2006/9/16/worldupdates/2006-09-16T025057Z_01_NOOTR_RTRJONC_0_-267810-1&sec=worldupdates
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6190720
Post by G-Net
Post by reality
The only part of Iraq that could have harbored terrorists with Saddam
in power were the areas that we controlled with the "no-fly zones".
Saddam hated Osama bin Laden and considered him and his followers as a
threat to his regime, so he killed all of the radical terrorists he
could get his hands on.
"Got any mainstream, non-right wing cites to prove that speculative
opinion?"
"Bluntly contradicting the Bush administration, the commission
investigating the Sept. 11 attacks reported Wednesday there was ``no
credible evidence'' that Saddam Hussein helped al-Qaida target the
United States.
Big deal, I never said that Sadam was helping Al-Qaida target the US.
I said that Iraq was a training ground for terrorists and was aiding
terrorism.
Post by reality
``Bin Laden is said to have requested space to establish training
camps, as well as assistance in procuring weapons, but Iraq apparently
never responded,'' the report said. ``There have been reports that
contacts between Iraq and al-Qaida also occurred'' after bin Laden
moved his operations to Afghanistan in 1996, ``but they do not appear
to have resulted in a collaborative relationship,'' it said."
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0616-01.htm
Again, so what?
GOP=Greedy Old Perverts
2006-10-25 20:44:12 UTC
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Post by Tracey12
As a Christian, I am 100 percent supportive of Life.
So are you also against the death penalty?
What does the death penalty have to do with abortion in the first place?
Both are pro-life issues. If you are truly pro-life then you would
never support the state sponsored taking of a human life under any
circumstances. Otherwise you are a hypocrite.
I don't agree that you have to be against the death penalty if you are
against
abortion. As I said, they are not at all the same issue. The death penalty
involves taking an adult's life because they committed a murder.
Or at least were convicted of murder. Perhaps you haven't kept up with all
of the death row inmates that have been found INNOCENT, or wrongly
prosecuted. So if an innocent person is put to death by the state, you see
no problem in that? Think wrongful prosecution can't happen - ask the Duke
Lacrosse team about that....

The problem here is terminology - You are NOT "Pro-life" - you are
"anti-abortion". That is where you are seen as a hypocrite, if you are
prolife than you oppose killing anyone!

Yup those repugnicunts are masters at twisting words...
Roedy Green
2006-10-23 22:28:31 UTC
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Post by GOP=Greedy Old Perverts
So are you also against the death penalty?
What does the death penalty have to do with abortion in the first place?
You are the one equating killing a fetus with killing an adult.
--
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More than anything else you want the end of the Republican reign of terror.
Buy a big chunk of it at http://www.democrats.org/
Möbius Pretzel
2006-10-23 20:13:10 UTC
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Post by Tracey12
As a Christian, I am 100 percent supportive of Life. Killing unborn
babies is insane.
Well you can't vote for the Republicans either as they murdered
up to 1 million fetuses in the 4th up to the 320th Trimester in Iraq!
f***@mailandnews.com
2006-10-23 20:47:18 UTC
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Post by Tracey12
As a Christian, I am 100 percent supportive of Life. Killing unborn
babies is insane.
There are no exceptions save this one: If the mothers life is going to
be taken because of rejection of the unborn child, and the unborn child
is too young to take care of in the hospital, then and only then should
the child have to give up his or her life, and this is a rare situation.
What's the difference? Republicans control all three branches of
government, and abortions are still taking place.

The Republicans will always find a way to Not end abortion because it
is what gives them the adherence of those who oppose abortion
(Christians and others). The only way for those opposed to abortion is
to gain influence with the Democratic party as well.

Once they have both parties on board, then they will be able to
accomplish what they want, assuming of course, that an influential
pro-abortion third party is not formed
Joseph Welch
2006-10-23 21:08:07 UTC
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Post by Tracey12
As a Christian, I am 100 percent supportive of Life.
A lot of other Christians are pro-choice.
Post by Tracey12
Killing unborn babies is insane.
And yet the Bible never even mentions abortion - and is filled with examples
of God taking the lives - or ordering the takings - of BORN children.

God supports abortion. If you were really a Christian, you'd understand
that.
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their numbers larger, and their motivation to attack the U.S. and other
western interests greater. He has repeatedly abused his authority and
violated his Oath of Office by turning his back on the United States
Constitution; thereby surrendering to the terrorists by undermining American
freedoms,values, and the very foundations of our system of government.
Supporting Bush is treason.

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***************
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you left no sense of decency?"
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Tracey12
2006-10-23 22:45:24 UTC
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Post by Joseph Welch
God supports abortion. If you were really a Christian, you'd understand
that.
JW, you're mind is twisted from all that democrat pot smoke.

God does not support abortion of innocent children.
For you to say that means you have zero understanding of who God is.

Maybe you're a child just looking for attention.
Peter Principle
2006-10-23 22:51:15 UTC
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Post by Tracey12
Post by Joseph Welch
God supports abortion. If you were really a Christian, you'd
understand that.
JW, you're mind is twisted from all that democrat pot smoke.
Oh, hey, you waan see REALLY twisted, do ya, Travidiot? Happy to oblige...

The Travidiot, a contraction of this luser's 2 best known sock puppets and
most prominent feature - Tracey "Trace" Levin and David Abrams + idiot - has
been known for many years, now as sh/i/t, a contraction of she - he - it.

Before sh/i/t showed up here in the political groups, sh/i/t was the pimple
on the ass of numerous local general groups, many in Texas. His MO was to
cross post dozens of stupid, inflammatory, off topic bullshit posts per day
to 10 or so different groups.

The truth is Travid is a gender confused Jew for Jesus janitor fired by a
school district in TX for, "inappropriate" behavior, a luser who has
variously claimed to be a male P.I., a female attorney and who knows how
many other gender bending bullshit claims, a luser who spent time scouring
the internet for hairy, large breasted Jewish women willing to put up with
his stupid ass.

If you're somehow not familiar with Travid, a contraction of his most used
sock puppets "David Abrams and "Tracey Levin", you're missing the genuine
crème de la dumb. Forget the fact that's he's been TOSsed by more ISPs than
you have fingers. This one is so incredibly stupid he was actually BANNED
ENTIRELY from the Net for continual intentional abuse.

I shit you not. A judge ORDERED him to stay off, and he did, for a while.
This one has even earned the very highest accolade available to net.kooks,
his own net.kook namesake group. In response to his "David Abrams" sock
puppet, the group alt.david.is.an.idiot was chartered. Now, THAT'S some
might impressive net.kookery.
--
Welcome to reality. Enjoy your visit. Slow thinkers keep right.
------
Why are so many not smart enough to know they're not smart enough?

http://www.apa.org/journals/features/psp7761121.pdf
© 1999 by the American Psychological Association
December 1999 Vol. 77, No. 6, 1121-1134

Unskilled and Unaware of It: How Difficulties in Recognizing One's Own
Incompetence Lead to Inflated Self-Assessments

Justin Kruger and David Dunning
Department of Psychology
Cornell University

ABSTRACT:
...the authors found that participants scoring in the bottom quartile
on tests of humor, grammar, and logic grossly overestimated their test
performance and ability. Although their test scores put them in the
12th percentile, they estimated themselves to be in the 62nd.
Peter Principle
2006-10-23 23:41:45 UTC
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Post by Peter Principle
Post by Tracey12
Post by Joseph Welch
God supports abortion. If you were really a Christian, you'd
understand that.
JW, you're mind is twisted from all that democrat pot smoke.
Oh, hey, you waan see REALLY twisted, do ya, Travidiot? Happy to oblige...
The Travidiot, a contraction of this luser's 2 best known sock
puppets and most prominent feature - Tracey "Trace" Levin and David
Abrams + idiot - has been known for many years, now as sh/i/t, a
contraction of she - he - it.
BTW, for those with a strong stomach, here's some hard evidence of
Travidiot's astounding mendacity, stupidity and general net.kookiness:

Here are 20 some odd thousand responses to his posts using the "Tracey12"
aka Tracey Levin, aka, Trace, aka, Trace1212 identity:

http://groups.google.com/groups?as_q=tracey12&num=100&scoring=r&hl=en&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&as_ugroup=&as_usubject=&as_uauthors=&lr=&as_drrb=q&as_qdr=&as_mind=1&as_minm=1&as_miny=1981&as_maxd=23&as_maxm=10&as_maxy=2006&safe=off

Here's another 8 some odd thosands responses to his "David Abrams" identity:

http://groups.google.com/groups?as_q=david+084&num=100&scoring=r&hl=en&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&as_ugroup=&as_usubject=&as_uauthors=&lr=&as_drrb=q&as_qdr=&as_mind=1&as_minm=1&as_miny=1981&as_maxd=23&as_maxm=10&as_maxy=2006&safe=off

And here are several hundred posts laying out the evidence that Tracey Levin
and David Abrams are one and the same:

http://groups.google.com/groups?as_q=david+abrams+tracey+levin&num=100&scoring=r&hl=en&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&as_ugroup=&as_usubject=&as_uauthors=&lr=&as_drrb=q&as_qdr=&as_mind=1&as_minm=1&as_miny=1981&as_maxd=23&as_maxm=10&as_maxy=2006&safe=off
Post by Peter Principle
Before sh/i/t showed up here in the political groups, sh/i/t was the
pimple on the ass of numerous local general groups, many in Texas.
His MO was to cross post dozens of stupid, inflammatory, off topic
bullshit posts per day to 10 or so different groups.
The truth is Travid is a gender confused Jew for Jesus janitor fired
by a school district in TX for, "inappropriate" behavior, a luser who
has variously claimed to be a male P.I., a female attorney and who
knows how many other gender bending bullshit claims, a luser who
spent time scouring the internet for hairy, large breasted Jewish
women willing to put up with his stupid ass.
If you're somehow not familiar with Travid, a contraction of his most
used sock puppets "David Abrams and "Tracey Levin", you're missing
the genuine crème de la dumb. Forget the fact that's he's been TOSsed
by more ISPs than you have fingers. This one is so incredibly stupid
he was actually BANNED ENTIRELY from the Net for continual
intentional abuse.
I shit you not. A judge ORDERED him to stay off, and he did, for a
while. This one has even earned the very highest accolade available
to net.kooks, his own net.kook namesake group. In response to his
"David Abrams" sock puppet, the group alt.david.is.an.idiot was
chartered. Now, THAT'S some might impressive net.kookery.
--
Welcome to reality. Enjoy your visit. Slow thinkers keep right.
------
Why are so many not smart enough to know they're not smart enough?

http://www.apa.org/journals/features/psp7761121.pdf
© 1999 by the American Psychological Association
December 1999 Vol. 77, No. 6, 1121-1134

Unskilled and Unaware of It: How Difficulties in Recognizing One's Own
Incompetence Lead to Inflated Self-Assessments

Justin Kruger and David Dunning
Department of Psychology
Cornell University

ABSTRACT:
...the authors found that participants scoring in the bottom quartile
on tests of humor, grammar, and logic grossly overestimated their test
performance and ability. Although their test scores put them in the
12th percentile, they estimated themselves to be in the 62nd.
Adam Albright
2006-10-23 23:19:41 UTC
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Post by Tracey12
Post by Joseph Welch
God supports abortion. If you were really a Christian, you'd understand
that.
JW, you're mind is twisted from all that democrat pot smoke.
God does not support abortion of innocent children.
For you to say that means you have zero understanding of who God is.
Maybe you're a child just looking for attention.
You on the other hand are a clueless hatmongering right wing bitch
with shit for brain that simply PRETENDS to be a Christian.
Peter Principle
2006-10-23 23:29:04 UTC
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Post by Adam Albright
Post by Tracey12
Post by Joseph Welch
God supports abortion. If you were really a Christian, you'd
understand that.
JW, you're mind is twisted from all that democrat pot smoke.
God does not support abortion of innocent children.
For you to say that means you have zero understanding of who God is.
Maybe you're a child just looking for attention.
You on the other hand are a clueless hatmongering right wing bitch
with shit for brain that simply PRETENDS to be a Christian.
Oh, Travid is a Christian, all right, of the KKKristian Drooling Cretin
synod, IIRC. BTW, Travid is NOT a she.

Even though this idiot spent huge amounts of time scrubbing Google of his
long and sordid past, it apparently never occurred to him that this does NOT
remove the RESPONSES to his trash or specific discussions outing his lying
ass for all to see. Witness:

Here are 20 some odd thousand responses to his posts using the "Tracey12"
aka Tracey Levi, aka, Trace, aka, Trace1212 identity:

http://groups.google.com/groups?as_q=tracey12&num=100&scoring=r&hl=en&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&as_ugroup=&as_usubject=&as_uauthors=&lr=&as_drrb=q&as_qdr=&as_mind=1&as_minm=1&as_miny=1981&as_maxd=23&as_maxm=10&as_maxy=2006&safe=off

Here's another 8 some odd thosands responses to his "David Abrams" identity:

http://groups.google.com/groups?as_q=david+084&num=100&scoring=r&hl=en&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&as_ugroup=&as_usubject=&as_uauthors=&lr=&as_drrb=q&as_qdr=&as_mind=1&as_minm=1&as_miny=1981&as_maxd=23&as_maxm=10&as_maxy=2006&safe=off

And here are several hundred posts laying out the evidence that Tracey Levin
and David Abrams are one and the same:

http://groups.google.com/groups?as_q=david+abrams+tracey+levin&num=100&scoring=r&hl=en&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&as_ugroup=&as_usubject=&as_uauthors=&lr=&as_drrb=q&as_qdr=&as_mind=1&as_minm=1&as_miny=1981&as_maxd=23&as_maxm=10&as_maxy=2006&safe=off

The Travidiot, a contraction of this luser's 2 best known sock puppets and
most prominent feature - Tracey "Trace" Levin and David Abrams + idiot - has
been known for many years, now as sh/i/t, a contraction of she - he - it.

Before sh/i/t showed up here in the political groups, sh/i/t was the pimple
on the ass of numerous local general groups, many in Texas. His MO was to
cross post dozens of stupid, inflammatory, off topic bullshit posts per day
to 10 or so different groups.

The truth is Travid is a gender confused Jew for Jesus janitor fired by a
school district in TX for, "inappropriate" behavior, a luser who has
variously claimed to be a male P.I., a female attorney and who knows how
many other gender bending bullshit claims, a luser who spent time scouring
the internet for hairy, large breasted Jewish women willing to put up with
his stupid ass.

If you're somehow not familiar with Travid, a contraction of his most used
sock puppets "David Abrams and "Tracey Levin", you're missing the genuine
crème de la dumb. Forget the fact that's he's been TOSsed by more ISPs than
you have fingers. This one is so incredibly stupid he was actually BANNED
ENTIRELY from the Net for continual intentional abuse.

I shit you not. A judge ORDERED him to stay off, and he did, for a while.
This one has even earned the very highest accolade available to net.kooks,
his own net.kook namesake group. In response to his "David Abrams" sock
puppet, the group alt.david.is.an.idiot was chartered. Now, THAT'S some
might impressive net.kookery.
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http://www.apa.org/journals/features/psp7761121.pdf
© 1999 by the American Psychological Association
December 1999 Vol. 77, No. 6, 1121-1134

Unskilled and Unaware of It: How Difficulties in Recognizing One's Own
Incompetence Lead to Inflated Self-Assessments

Justin Kruger and David Dunning
Department of Psychology
Cornell University

ABSTRACT:
...the authors found that participants scoring in the bottom quartile
on tests of humor, grammar, and logic grossly overestimated their test
performance and ability. Although their test scores put them in the
12th percentile, they estimated themselves to be in the 62nd.
Joseph Welch
2006-10-24 07:29:41 UTC
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Post by Tracey12
Post by Joseph Welch
God supports abortion. If you were really a Christian, you'd understand
that.
JW, you're mind is twisted from all that democrat pot smoke.
What pot smoke is that? Explain.
Post by Tracey12
God does not support abortion of innocent children.
Got actually supports the murder of innocent children. Want some examples
right out of the Bible?
Post by Tracey12
For you to say that means you have zero understanding of who God is.
No, it means that I've studied the Bible.

You should really try it sometime. You might learn something, and not be
such a stupid fucking prick.
--
George W. Bush has made the terrorists stronger, their influence wider,
their numbers larger, and their motivation to attack the U.S. and other
western interests greater. He has repeatedly abused his authority and
violated his Oath of Office by turning his back on the United States
Constitution; thereby surrendering to the terrorists by undermining American
freedoms,values, and the very foundations of our system of government.
Supporting Bush is treason.

***************
JW
***************
"You've done enough. Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last? Have
you left no sense of decency?"
http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/welch-mccarthy.html
Roedy Green
2006-10-23 22:25:59 UTC
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Post by Tracey12
As a Christian, I am 100 percent supportive of Life. Killing unborn
babies is insane.
You are living under a delusion because you are so young. Back when
abortion was illegal, it happened almost as often, but it was done
with coathangers by people who had no medical training. My Mom went
to one such abortionist and backed out at the last minute.

The choice is not abortions or no abortions, but legal abortions or
illegal abortions. With illegal abortions you often harm or kill the
mother, or make her sterile.

I see the following solutions:

1. better fail safe birth control.

2. making it easier for mothers to keep their babies, by offering pre
and post birth support, adoption etc.

3. reduce the stigma of pregnancy, so that teens would try so hard to
hide it with an abortion.

You will note how self-righteous Christians such as yourself are
making the situation worse by opposing birth control and getting
shrill and moralistic about pregnancy.

Note how we are successfully getting rid of smoking -- not by
prohibition, but by anti-smoking campaigns and by making it socially
unacceptable. That is how you will make progress on reducing abortion.

Rent the DVD the Butterbox Babies to learn how it used to be.
--
Canadian Mind Products, Roedy Green, http://mindprod.com
More than anything else you want the end of the Republican reign of terror.
Buy a big chunk of it at http://www.democrats.org/
G-Net
2006-10-23 23:29:24 UTC
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Post by Roedy Green
Post by Tracey12
As a Christian, I am 100 percent supportive of Life. Killing unborn
babies is insane.
You are living under a delusion because you are so young. Back when
abortion was illegal, it happened almost as often, but it was done
with coathangers by people who had no medical training. My Mom went
to one such abortionist and backed out at the last minute.
The choice is not abortions or no abortions, but legal abortions or
illegal abortions. With illegal abortions you often harm or kill the
mother, or make her sterile.
Your logic is in my opinion, is flawed. You are stating that abortions
should remain
legal because if they are illegal, people will still get them. If you were
to use that
logic then we should throw away all laws because many things are illegal yet
people still do them. Drugs are one example. The same could be said for a
whole host of other things that are currently illegal.

If abortions were illegal and a women went to an illegal abortionist who
used a
coat hanger, that would be her decision and her responsibilty for the
consequences of that decision.
Post by Roedy Green
1. better fail safe birth control.
Birth control is currently very good IF one uses it. I would bet that most
abortions are not the result of failed birth control but rather the lack of.
Post by Roedy Green
2. making it easier for mothers to keep their babies, by offering pre
and post birth support, adoption etc.
This may be something good depending upon what your definition of
"support" is.
Post by Roedy Green
3. reduce the stigma of pregnancy, so that teens would try so hard to
hide it with an abortion.
I don't think that the "stigma of pregnancy" is valid anymore.
Post by Roedy Green
You will note how self-righteous Christians such as yourself are
making the situation worse by opposing birth control and getting
shrill and moralistic about pregnancy.
I can't speak for every Christian but I do not oppose birth control, I just
oppose the assumption that all teens are homone crazed and cannot
control themselves. I don't think we should hand out birth control to
teens like halloween candy because we assume that all teens are
sexually active.
Post by Roedy Green
Note how we are successfully getting rid of smoking -- not by
prohibition, but by anti-smoking campaigns and by making it socially
unacceptable. That is how you will make progress on reducing abortion.
We have gotten rid of smoking? How come any restaurant I go into asks me
if I want smoking or non-smoking? Go by just about any high school and
you will see kids lighting up as soon as they are out of school.
Post by Roedy Green
Rent the DVD the Butterbox Babies to learn how it used to be.
--
Canadian Mind Products, Roedy Green, http://mindprod.com
More than anything else you want the end of the Republican reign of terror.
Buy a big chunk of it at http://www.democrats.org/>
Roedy Green
2006-10-24 21:43:23 UTC
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Post by G-Net
Your logic is in my opinion, is flawed. You are stating that abortions
should remain
legal because if they are illegal, people will still get them.
"One should never forbid what one lacks the power to prevent."
~ Napoleon Bonaparte

That is not my logic. My logic is based on the actual experience of
what happened when abortion was illegal It was similar to
prohibition. People drank just the same yes, but worse, they drank
all manner of poisonous illegal concoctions because the manufacture of
spirits was unregulated.

The total harm was worse, both with prohibition of alcohol and
abortion. Making abortion illegal does not reduce abortions
appreciably and it creates all manner of additional harm from improper
abortion procedures.

You can make murder illegal because nearly everyone is willing to live
by that rule. You can't make abortion illegal because almost no one
is willing to live by that rule when THEIR daughter is the one
pregnant. Pro-lifers want to stop OTHER people having abortions, not
themselves. They may claim otherwise, but when pressed against the
wall they break the law just like anyone else, actually even more
likely since the stigma for them in the conservative community is even
more severe.

If you are serious in your desire to reduce abortion, as opposed to
enjoying spitting on and punishing those that have them, then I
suggest the actions in my previous post to make abortion all but
unnecessary.

Republicans love to punish drug addicts, prostitutes, people who have
abortion or people who look at pornography. They are not in the least
interested in reducing the negative effects of drug addiction,
prostitution, abortions or pornography on society. This blocks them
from even considering measures that are effective. They prefer to
punish even when science proves that is making the situation worse.
--
Canadian Mind Products, Roedy Green, http://mindprod.com
More than anything else you want the end of the Republican reign of terror.
Buy a big chunk of it at http://www.democrats.org/
NuGrass
2006-10-23 23:37:01 UTC
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Post by Tracey12
As a Christian, I am 100 percent supportive of Life. Killing unborn
babies is insane.
There are no exceptions save this one: If the mothers life is going to
be taken because of rejection of the unborn child, and the unborn child
is too young to take care of in the hospital, then and only then should
the child have to give up his or her life, and this is a rare situation.
If you are for aborting a fetus because it could end the Mother's life,
then you are neither anti abortion or 100 percent supportive of life
and I doubt if you imulate Christ which would mean that you are not
realy a Christian.

Do you read what you write?

David
Goosestepping Old Party
2006-10-23 23:43:25 UTC
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Post by Tracey12
As a Christian, I am 100 percent supportive of Life. Killing unborn
babies is insane.
You have no problem with the death sentence.

Repiglicans like you throw away life once it hits age 15.

2800 former babies killed in Iraq -- and counting.
A Brick in the Wall
2006-10-24 01:51:42 UTC
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Post by Tracey12
As a Christian, I am 100 percent supportive of Life. Killing unborn
babies is insane.
There are no exceptions save this one: If the mothers life is going to
be taken because of rejection of the unborn child, and the unborn child
is too young to take care of in the hospital, then and only then should
the child have to give up his or her life, and this is a rare situation.
How has your party attempted to appease you in the last 6 years when they
had all the branches of gov't under their control? Have you honestly seen a
true effort to move abortion legislation or have they been playing you for
the sucker we all see here?

I'll answer for you --- s - u - c - k - e -r
s***@comcast.net
2006-10-24 17:06:46 UTC
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Post by A Brick in the Wall
Re: I Could NEVER Vote For The Abortion Party
How has your party attempted to appease you in the last 6 years when they
had all the branches of gov't under their control? Have you honestly seen a
true effort to move abortion legislation or have they been playing you for
the sucker we all see here?
Exactly. The Republican party isn't united behind the Pro-life banner
any more than it united behind the war in Iraq, Bush, legalizing
torture, or stem cell research. The Republican base is fragmented on
almost every issue. The stem cell research schism will be illustrated
nicely in the coming elections.
Goosestepping Old Party
2006-10-24 17:08:51 UTC
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Post by A Brick in the Wall
Re: I Could NEVER Vote For The Abortion Party
How has your party attempted to appease you in the last 6 years when they
had all the branches of gov't under their control? Have you honestly seen a
true effort to move abortion legislation or have they been playing you for
the sucker we all see here?
Exactly. The Republican party isn't united behind the Pro-life banner
any more than it united behind the war in Iraq, Bush, legalizing
torture, or stem cell research. The Republican base is fragmented on
almost every issue. The stem cell research schism will be illustrated
nicely in the coming elections.
Tracey12_12
2006-10-24 03:05:25 UTC
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Post by Tracey12
As a Christian, I am 100 percent supportive of Life.
But for some reason, Christ has yet to reward me for it
c***@yahoo.com
2006-10-24 09:47:39 UTC
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Post by Tracey12
As a Christian, I am 100 percent supportive of Life.
Even the life of Osama?
Even the life of the Devil?
Even the life of a murderer that has his gun pointed towards the head
of your child?
Post by Tracey12
Killing unborn babies is insane.
I'd be insane to listen to an undead corpse like you.
I'd rather eat an unpickled pickle not yet picked by an unborn pickle
picker.
Post by Tracey12
There are no exceptions save this one: If the mothers life is going to
be taken because of rejection of the unborn child, and the unborn child
is too young to take care of in the hospital, then and only then should
the child have to give up his or her life, and this is a rare situation.
Here's a suggestion then.

DON'T HAVE AN ABORTION!

OMG problem solved!
The Usher (TEXT & HTML)
2006-10-24 11:03:00 UTC
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Post by Tracey12
As a Christian, I am 100 percent supportive of Life. Killing unborn
babies is insane.
There are no exceptions save this one: If the mothers life is going to
be taken because of rejection of the unborn child, and the unborn child
is too young to take care of in the hospital, then and only then should
the child have to give up his or her life, and this is a rare situation.
Thus Spake: *G* *O* *D* *S* *C* *R* *E* *A* *T* *O* *R*

PLEASE... ABORT THESE... THINGS, (Fetuses Mutations) QUICK!! :-(
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God's Creator!
(That was my only sin...) 8-)

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While frightened men shout, kneel down, close their eyes and mumble...

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The Usher (TEXT & HTML)
2006-10-24 13:30:54 UTC
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Thus Spake: *G* *O* *B* *S* *M* *A* *C* *K* *E* *R*

I'm an abortion; In Zodiacial terms that means I was born under the
sign of the Scissors.

I read my horoscope today;

ABORTION (Jan 26th - Mar 18): Try to stay in today, and avoid sharp
things ...

Love and kisses
Stewpot
Tracey12
2006-10-27 14:45:56 UTC
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Post by Tracey12
As a Christian, I am 100 percent supportive of Life. Killing unborn
babies is insane.
There are no exceptions save this one: If the mothers life is going to
be taken because of rejection of the unborn child, and the unborn child
is too young to take care of in the hospital, then and only then should
the child have to give up his or her life, and this is a rare situation.
No matter what democrats claim, they are the party of abortion.

They are the party of the baby killers. They take innocent little
children to the abortion clinic and execute them.

Is it any wonder that they attacked and killed 80+ people in Waco,
including families and kids?
Lloyd Parsons
2006-10-27 14:51:51 UTC
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Post by Tracey12
Post by Tracey12
As a Christian, I am 100 percent supportive of Life. Killing unborn
babies is insane.
There are no exceptions save this one: If the mothers life is going to
be taken because of rejection of the unborn child, and the unborn child
is too young to take care of in the hospital, then and only then should
the child have to give up his or her life, and this is a rare situation.
No matter what democrats claim, they are the party of abortion.
They are the party of the baby killers. They take innocent little
children to the abortion clinic and execute them.
Is it any wonder that they attacked and killed 80+ people in Waco,
including families and kids?
And yet, in 6 years of controlling the federal gov't, nothing was done.
Only continual blather to keep you one issue types in line.
SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim
2006-10-27 15:31:36 UTC
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Post by Tracey12
Post by Tracey12
As a Christian, I am 100 percent supportive of Life. Killing unborn
babies is insane.
There are no exceptions save this one: If the mothers life is going to
be taken because of rejection of the unborn child, and the unborn child
is too young to take care of in the hospital, then and only then should
the child have to give up his or her life, and this is a rare situation.
No matter what democrats claim, they are the party of abortion.
They are the party of the baby killers.
christians are the party of the baby killers, christians worship a god that
MURDERED the first born of egypt, drowned the whole world, MURDERED everyone
in the towns of sodom and gomorrah, etc., etc.

hey trace, why don't you stop worshipping a mass-murdering, child-killing
COLD-HEARTED BASTARD christian god
t1gercat
2006-10-27 15:53:17 UTC
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Post by Tracey12
Post by Tracey12
As a Christian, I am 100 percent supportive of Life. Killing unborn
babies is insane.
There are no exceptions save this one: If the mothers life is going to
be taken because of rejection of the unborn child, and the unborn child
is too young to take care of in the hospital, then and only then should
the child have to give up his or her life, and this is a rare situation.
No matter what democrats claim, they are the party of abortion.
Then there are two abortion parties. 70% of Republicans favor a
woman's right to choose. That's a figure they like to keep mum, but
that's what surveys reveal. The Republicans will never, ever move one
inch to outlaw abortions. It would cost them the woman's vote and kill
their power. What they do is tantilize simple fools like you with the
promise they'll curb abortions while actually doing nothing except
token gestures (i.e., restricting partial birth abortions, a tiny, tiny
percentage of all abortions). Your choice isn't between the party of
abortion and the party of life, your real choice is between the party
that tells the truth about its position and the party who lies about
it. Republicans are simply liars and scam artists.

There is nothing consistent with voting Republican and claiming
Christian belief. Virtually everything the Republicans support, from
war and capital punishment to abondoning the poor are anti-Christian
beliefs, condemned in no uncertain terms in the New Testament. Any
Christian who votes republican is a heretic and an apostate, bound for
hell.
Post by Tracey12
They are the party of the baby killers. They take innocent little
children to the abortion clinic and execute them.
The Democratic party does this???? And Republican women who get
inconveniently pregnant carry their babies to term? Don't make us
laugh.
Post by Tracey12
Is it any wonder that they attacked and killed 80+ people in Waco,
including families and kids?
You have your facts wrong. The FBI attempted to arrest a child molester
who possessed illegal weapons. The molester resisted by firing on the
police, even using a 50 cal machine gun. With astounding patience and
tact the FBI attempted for almost a month to bring the seige to a
peaceful end. When they finally decided to break down the walls and
arrest "Koresh," he and his followers set the building on fire, killing
most of them.

Contrast this to the Republicans telling us that Saddam had terrible
weapons he intended to use against us, and that we had to invade for
our own security. After the invasion and the deaths of hundreds of
thousands of innocent people we find the story was a complete lie -- no
WMDs, no reason for war. Are these liars your "Christian" bretheren?
They aren't mine.

Wexford
G-Net
2006-10-27 16:03:29 UTC
Permalink
Post by t1gercat
Post by Tracey12
Post by Tracey12
As a Christian, I am 100 percent supportive of Life. Killing unborn
babies is insane.
There are no exceptions save this one: If the mothers life is going to
be taken because of rejection of the unborn child, and the unborn child
is too young to take care of in the hospital, then and only then should
the child have to give up his or her life, and this is a rare situation.
No matter what democrats claim, they are the party of abortion.
Then there are two abortion parties. 70% of Republicans favor a
woman's right to choose. That's a figure they like to keep mum, but
that's what surveys reveal. The Republicans will never, ever move one
inch to outlaw abortions. It would cost them the woman's vote and kill
their power. What they do is tantilize simple fools like you with the
promise they'll curb abortions while actually doing nothing except
token gestures (i.e., restricting partial birth abortions, a tiny, tiny
percentage of all abortions). Your choice isn't between the party of
abortion and the party of life, your real choice is between the party
that tells the truth about its position and the party who lies about
it. Republicans are simply liars and scam artists.
There is nothing consistent with voting Republican and claiming
Christian belief. Virtually everything the Republicans support, from
war and capital punishment to abondoning the poor are anti-Christian
beliefs, condemned in no uncertain terms in the New Testament. Any
Christian who votes republican is a heretic and an apostate, bound for
hell.
Post by Tracey12
They are the party of the baby killers. They take innocent little
children to the abortion clinic and execute them.
The Democratic party does this???? And Republican women who get
inconveniently pregnant carry their babies to term? Don't make us
laugh.
Post by Tracey12
Is it any wonder that they attacked and killed 80+ people in Waco,
including families and kids?
You have your facts wrong. The FBI attempted to arrest a child molester
who possessed illegal weapons. The molester resisted by firing on the
police, even using a 50 cal machine gun. With astounding patience and
tact the FBI attempted for almost a month to bring the seige to a
peaceful end. When they finally decided to break down the walls and
arrest "Koresh," he and his followers set the building on fire, killing
most of them.
Contrast this to the Republicans telling us that Saddam had terrible
weapons he intended to use against us, and that we had to invade for
our own security. After the invasion and the deaths of hundreds of
thousands of innocent people we find the story was a complete lie -- no
WMDs, no reason for war. Are these liars your "Christian" bretheren?
They aren't mine.
Wexford
First off, how about defining what your idea of a "WMD" is? Would you
consider for example missles that Sadam had with chemical agents
as WMD's or are you limiting your idea of a "WMD" to only nuclear
weapons? Frankly I'd rather be nuked then bombed with chemical
weapons....
t1gercat
2006-10-27 16:28:01 UTC
Permalink
Post by G-Net
Post by t1gercat
Post by Tracey12
Post by Tracey12
As a Christian, I am 100 percent supportive of Life. Killing unborn
babies is insane.
There are no exceptions save this one: If the mothers life is going to
be taken because of rejection of the unborn child, and the unborn child
is too young to take care of in the hospital, then and only then should
the child have to give up his or her life, and this is a rare situation.
No matter what democrats claim, they are the party of abortion.
Then there are two abortion parties. 70% of Republicans favor a
woman's right to choose. That's a figure they like to keep mum, but
that's what surveys reveal. The Republicans will never, ever move one
inch to outlaw abortions. It would cost them the woman's vote and kill
their power. What they do is tantilize simple fools like you with the
promise they'll curb abortions while actually doing nothing except
token gestures (i.e., restricting partial birth abortions, a tiny, tiny
percentage of all abortions). Your choice isn't between the party of
abortion and the party of life, your real choice is between the party
that tells the truth about its position and the party who lies about
it. Republicans are simply liars and scam artists.
There is nothing consistent with voting Republican and claiming
Christian belief. Virtually everything the Republicans support, from
war and capital punishment to abondoning the poor are anti-Christian
beliefs, condemned in no uncertain terms in the New Testament. Any
Christian who votes republican is a heretic and an apostate, bound for
hell.
Post by Tracey12
They are the party of the baby killers. They take innocent little
children to the abortion clinic and execute them.
The Democratic party does this???? And Republican women who get
inconveniently pregnant carry their babies to term? Don't make us
laugh.
Post by Tracey12
Is it any wonder that they attacked and killed 80+ people in Waco,
including families and kids?
You have your facts wrong. The FBI attempted to arrest a child molester
who possessed illegal weapons. The molester resisted by firing on the
police, even using a 50 cal machine gun. With astounding patience and
tact the FBI attempted for almost a month to bring the seige to a
peaceful end. When they finally decided to break down the walls and
arrest "Koresh," he and his followers set the building on fire, killing
most of them.
Contrast this to the Republicans telling us that Saddam had terrible
weapons he intended to use against us, and that we had to invade for
our own security. After the invasion and the deaths of hundreds of
thousands of innocent people we find the story was a complete lie -- no
WMDs, no reason for war. Are these liars your "Christian" bretheren?
They aren't mine.
Wexford
First off, how about defining what your idea of a "WMD" is? Would you
consider for example missles that Sadam had with chemical agents
as WMD's or are you limiting your idea of a "WMD" to only nuclear
weapons? Frankly I'd rather be nuked then bombed with chemical
weapons....
We were in no danger of either. Give it up; even the Pentagon admits
Saddam had no WMDs, and certainly nothing that could threaten us.
SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim
2006-10-27 17:06:14 UTC
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Post by G-Net
First off, how about defining what your idea of a "WMD" is? Would you
consider for example missles that Sadam had with chemical agents
as WMD's or are you limiting your idea of a "WMD" to only nuclear
weapons? Frankly I'd rather be nuked then bombed with chemical
weapons....
well, you could be drowned by the loving, caring christian god, or perhaps
have your first born son MURDERED by the loving, caring christian god,. or
perhaps be turned be into a pillar of salt by the loving, caring sky pixie
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