Discussion:
Islam a religion of peace??????????????
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Paul Abeles
2004-10-17 20:43:30 UTC
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If Islam is a peaceful religion how do Muslims explain the barbaric murders
of innocent people by bomb and beheading in the name of Allah? What tenet of
Islam allows this?

Why do Muslims protest about the war in Iraq BUT not against beheadings and
bombings?
Peter
2004-10-17 21:13:47 UTC
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Paul, the killings of innocents is WRONG in Islam; I know it's despicable
that the so called 'Muslims' do this, and somehow 'justify' their barbaric
actions.

I feel as much revulsion as you do (if not more).
Post by Paul Abeles
If Islam is a peaceful religion how do Muslims explain the barbaric murders
of innocent people by bomb and beheading in the name of Allah? What tenet of
Islam allows this?
Why do Muslims protest about the war in Iraq BUT not against beheadings and
bombings?
Rafeek
2004-10-17 22:38:48 UTC
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Post by Peter
Paul, the killings of innocents is WRONG in Islam; I know it's despicable
that the so called 'Muslims' do this, and somehow 'justify' their barbaric
actions.
I feel as much revulsion as you do (if not more).
Actually, there are several sections of the Qur'an that command
muslims to KILL 'infidels'.. 'wherever you find them'. Apparently
having a different religious perspective deserves death, according to
Islam.
Kevin V. Russell
2004-10-25 08:03:43 UTC
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Excuse me but the CATHOLICS did the same thing not too long ago.
Post by Rafeek
Post by Peter
Paul, the killings of innocents is WRONG in Islam; I know it's despicable
that the so called 'Muslims' do this, and somehow 'justify' their barbaric
actions.
I feel as much revulsion as you do (if not more).
Actually, there are several sections of the Qur'an that command
muslims to KILL 'infidels'.. 'wherever you find them'. Apparently
having a different religious perspective deserves death, according to
Islam.
Rafeek
2004-10-26 21:04:50 UTC
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On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 08:03:43 GMT, "Kevin V. Russell"
Post by Kevin V. Russell
Excuse me but the CATHOLICS did the same thing not too long ago.
You're excused. I don't see how catholicism's history is relevant to
observations about the Islamic holy text.
Post by Kevin V. Russell
Post by Rafeek
Post by Peter
Paul, the killings of innocents is WRONG in Islam; I know it's despicable
that the so called 'Muslims' do this, and somehow 'justify' their barbaric
actions.
I feel as much revulsion as you do (if not more).
Actually, there are several sections of the Qur'an that command
muslims to KILL 'infidels'.. 'wherever you find them'. Apparently
having a different religious perspective deserves death, according to
Islam.
the idiot
2004-10-17 22:37:38 UTC
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Post by Paul Abeles
If Islam is a peaceful religion how do Muslims explain the barbaric murders
of innocent people by bomb and beheading in the name of Allah? What tenet of
Islam allows this?
Why do Muslims protest about the war in Iraq BUT not against beheadings and
bombings?
if christianity is a peaceful religion how do christians explain the
barbaric bombings of innocent people?
Jim E
2004-10-18 00:29:46 UTC
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Post by Paul Abeles
Post by Paul Abeles
If Islam is a peaceful religion how do Muslims explain the barbaric
murders
Post by Paul Abeles
of innocent people by bomb and beheading in the name of Allah? What tenet
of
Post by Paul Abeles
Islam allows this?
Why do Muslims protest about the war in Iraq BUT not against beheadings
and
Post by Paul Abeles
bombings?
if christianity is a peaceful religion how do christians explain the
barbaric bombings of innocent people?
Name one incidence of the targeting of civilians in this century by the US


Jim E
the idiot
2004-10-18 04:37:35 UTC
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Post by Jim E
Post by Paul Abeles
Post by Paul Abeles
If Islam is a peaceful religion how do Muslims explain the barbaric
murders
Post by Paul Abeles
of innocent people by bomb and beheading in the name of Allah? What tenet
of
Post by Paul Abeles
Islam allows this?
Why do Muslims protest about the war in Iraq BUT not against beheadings
and
Post by Paul Abeles
bombings?
if christianity is a peaceful religion how do christians explain the
barbaric bombings of innocent people?
Name one incidence of the targeting of civilians in this century by the US
pick a war any war
Jim E
2004-10-19 04:22:26 UTC
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If Islam is a peaceful religion how do Muslims explain the barbaric
murders
Post by Paul Abeles
of innocent people by bomb and beheading in the name of Allah? What
tenet
Post by Jim E
Post by Paul Abeles
of
Post by Paul Abeles
Islam allows this?
Why do Muslims protest about the war in Iraq BUT not against beheadings
and
Post by Paul Abeles
bombings?
if christianity is a peaceful religion how do christians explain the
barbaric bombings of innocent people?
Name one incidence of the targeting of civilians in this century by the US
pick a war any war
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the idiot
2004-10-19 08:59:12 UTC
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If Islam is a peaceful religion how do Muslims explain the barbaric
murders
Post by Paul Abeles
of innocent people by bomb and beheading in the name of Allah? What
tenet
Post by Jim E
Post by Paul Abeles
of
Post by Paul Abeles
Islam allows this?
Why do Muslims protest about the war in Iraq BUT not against beheadings
and
Post by Paul Abeles
bombings?
if christianity is a peaceful religion how do christians explain the
barbaric bombings of innocent people?
Name one incidence of the targeting of civilians in this century by the US
pick a war any war
Evasive response noted END
what to your "trick" question, why not say the last 100 years instead of the
last 4... at the moment the americans are bombing some town in iraq
(collective punishment) because they wont (or cannot ) handover the man who
chopped off bigleys head... so anyway, hiroshima, nagasaki, any given moment
in vietnam, any given moment in korea, any given moment in gulf war 1.... oh
but i forgot you only want to count the last four years.
Jim E
2004-10-20 05:19:07 UTC
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Post by Paul Abeles
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If Islam is a peaceful religion how do Muslims explain the barbaric
murders
Post by Paul Abeles
of innocent people by bomb and beheading in the name of Allah? What
tenet
Post by Jim E
Post by Paul Abeles
of
Post by Paul Abeles
Islam allows this?
Why do Muslims protest about the war in Iraq BUT not against beheadings
and
Post by Paul Abeles
bombings?
if christianity is a peaceful religion how do christians explain the
barbaric bombings of innocent people?
Name one incidence of the targeting of civilians in this century by
the
US
pick a war any war
Evasive response noted END
what to your "trick" question, why not say the last 100 years instead of the
last 4... at the moment the americans are bombing some town in iraq
(collective punishment) because they wont (or cannot ) handover the man who
chopped off bigleys head... so anyway, hiroshima, nagasaki, any given moment
in vietnam, any given moment in korea, any given moment in gulf war 1.... oh
but i forgot you only want to count the last four years.
Your name fits, I said intentionally targeted civilians.
You have no proof, therefore you are a typical generalizing
arm waving libloon.


Jim E
the idiot
2004-10-20 16:21:45 UTC
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Post by Paul Abeles
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If Islam is a peaceful religion how do Muslims explain the barbaric
murders
Post by Paul Abeles
of innocent people by bomb and beheading in the name of Allah? What
tenet
Post by Jim E
Post by Paul Abeles
of
Post by Paul Abeles
Islam allows this?
Why do Muslims protest about the war in Iraq BUT not against beheadings
and
Post by Paul Abeles
bombings?
if christianity is a peaceful religion how do christians explain the
barbaric bombings of innocent people?
Name one incidence of the targeting of civilians in this century by
the
US
pick a war any war
Evasive response noted END
what to your "trick" question, why not say the last 100 years instead of the
last 4... at the moment the americans are bombing some town in iraq
(collective punishment) because they wont (or cannot ) handover the man who
chopped off bigleys head... so anyway, hiroshima, nagasaki, any given moment
in vietnam, any given moment in korea, any given moment in gulf war
1....
Post by Jim E
Post by the idiot
oh
but i forgot you only want to count the last four years.
Your name fits, I said intentionally targeted civilians.
You have no proof, therefore you are a typical generalizing
arm waving libloon.
so the bomb dropped on hiroshima was actually targeted on a little arms
factory was it?
Ninure Saunders
2004-10-19 13:43:05 UTC
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In article <***@uni-berlin.de>, "Jim E"
<fatboy-plonker-@aol.com> wrote:

-"the idiot" <***@thesands.co.uk> wrote in message
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->> > "Paul Abeles" <***@yahoo.com> wrote in message
->> > news:SPAcd.29817$***@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
->> >> If Islam is a peaceful religion how do Muslims explain the barbaric
->> > murders
->> >> of innocent people by bomb and beheading in the name of Allah? What
-> tenet
->> > of
->> >> Islam allows this?
->> >>
->> >> Why do Muslims protest about the war in Iraq BUT not against
->> >> beheadings
->> > and
->> >> bombings?
->> >>
->> > if christianity is a peaceful religion how do christians explain the
->> > barbaric bombings of innocent people?
->> >
->>
->> Name one incidence of the targeting of civilians in this century by the
->> US
->>
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-> pick a war any war
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Christian American Quiz


Please answer the following Questions:

1) Which is the only country in the world to have dropped bombs on over
twenty different countries since 1945?


2) Which is the only country to have used nuclear weapons?


3) Which country was responsible for a car bomb which killed 80 civilians
in Beirut in 1985, in a botched assassination attempt, thereby making it
the most lethal terrorist bombing in modern Middle East history?


4) Which country's illegal bombing of Libya in 1986 was described by the
UN Legal Committee as a "classic case" of terrorism?


5) Which country rejected the order of the International Court of Justice
(ICJ) to terminate its "unlawful use of force" against Nicaragua in 1986,
and then vetoed a UN Security Council resolution
calling on all states to observe international law?


6) Which country was accused by a UN-sponsored truth commission of
providing"direct and indirect support" for "acts of
genocide" against the Mayan Indians in Guatemala during the 1980s?


7) Which country unilaterally withdrew from the Anti-Ballistic Missile
(ABM) Treaty in December 2001?


8) Which country renounced the efforts to negotiate a verification process
for the Biological Weapons Convention and brought an international
conference on the matter to a halt in July 2001?


9) Which country prevented the United Nations from curbing the gun trade
at a small arms conference in July 2001?


10) Aside from Somalia, which is the only other country in the world to
have refused to ratify the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child?


11) Which is the only Western country which allows the death penalty to be
applied to children?


12) Which is the only G7 country to have refused to sign the 1997 Mine Ban
Treaty, forbidding the use of landmines?


13) Which is the only G7 country to have voted against the creation of the
International Criminal Court (ICC) in 1998?


14) Which was the only other country to join with Israel in opposing a
1987 General Assembly resolution condemning international terrorism?


15) Which country refuses to fully pay its debts to the United Nations yet
reserves its right to veto United Nations resolutions?


Answer to all 15 questions: The United States of America.


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Jim E
2004-10-20 05:23:09 UTC
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->> >> If Islam is a peaceful religion how do Muslims explain the barbaric
->> > murders
->> >> of innocent people by bomb and beheading in the name of Allah? What
-> tenet
->> > of
->> >> Islam allows this?
->> >>
->> >> Why do Muslims protest about the war in Iraq BUT not against
->> >> beheadings
->> > and
->> >> bombings?
->> >>
->> > if christianity is a peaceful religion how do christians explain the
->> > barbaric bombings of innocent people?
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->> Name one incidence of the targeting of civilians in this century by the
->> US
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Christian American Quiz
What's with this christian shit.
No damn church runs this country.
So shove your christian shit up your (insert orifice of choice)

Jim E
Rafeek
2004-10-18 06:46:36 UTC
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Post by Jim E
Post by Paul Abeles
Post by Paul Abeles
If Islam is a peaceful religion how do Muslims explain the barbaric
murders
Post by Paul Abeles
of innocent people by bomb and beheading in the name of Allah? What tenet
of
Post by Paul Abeles
Islam allows this?
Why do Muslims protest about the war in Iraq BUT not against beheadings
and
Post by Paul Abeles
bombings?
if christianity is a peaceful religion how do christians explain the
barbaric bombings of innocent people?
Name one incidence of the targeting of civilians in this century by the US
Jim E
http://www.rense.com/general19/flame.htm
Rafeek
2004-10-18 06:53:28 UTC
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Post by Jim E
Post by Paul Abeles
Post by Paul Abeles
If Islam is a peaceful religion how do Muslims explain the barbaric
murders
Post by Paul Abeles
of innocent people by bomb and beheading in the name of Allah? What tenet
of
Post by Paul Abeles
Islam allows this?
Why do Muslims protest about the war in Iraq BUT not against beheadings
and
Post by Paul Abeles
bombings?
if christianity is a peaceful religion how do christians explain the
barbaric bombings of innocent people?
Name one incidence of the targeting of civilians in this century by the US
Oh yeah.. don't forget the A-Bombs that wiped out tens of thousands of
Japanese civilians.
Harry Snape
2004-10-18 06:58:54 UTC
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Post by Rafeek
Post by Jim E
Post by Paul Abeles
Post by Paul Abeles
If Islam is a peaceful religion how do Muslims explain the barbaric
murders
Post by Paul Abeles
of innocent people by bomb and beheading in the name of Allah? What tenet
of
Post by Paul Abeles
Islam allows this?
Why do Muslims protest about the war in Iraq BUT not against beheadings
and
Post by Paul Abeles
bombings?
if christianity is a peaceful religion how do christians explain the
barbaric bombings of innocent people?
Name one incidence of the targeting of civilians in this century by the US
Oh yeah.. don't forget the A-Bombs that wiped out tens of thousands of
Japanese civilians.
I just checked the papers again on this one, I knew I couldn't have
missed such a big story. I can confirm that the US conducted no such
action in the nearly 4 years that comprise this century.
Rafeek
2004-10-18 07:34:34 UTC
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Post by Harry Snape
Post by Rafeek
Post by Jim E
Post by Paul Abeles
Post by Paul Abeles
If Islam is a peaceful religion how do Muslims explain the barbaric
murders
Post by Paul Abeles
of innocent people by bomb and beheading in the name of Allah? What tenet
of
Post by Paul Abeles
Islam allows this?
Why do Muslims protest about the war in Iraq BUT not against beheadings
and
Post by Paul Abeles
bombings?
if christianity is a peaceful religion how do christians explain the
barbaric bombings of innocent people?
Name one incidence of the targeting of civilians in this century by the US
Oh yeah.. don't forget the A-Bombs that wiped out tens of thousands of
Japanese civilians.
I just checked the papers again on this one, I knew I couldn't have
missed such a big story. I can confirm that the US conducted no such
action in the nearly 4 years that comprise this century.
Wow.. well, I guess you've got me there. Mental error on my part.
I'll hereby welcome myself to the 21st century.
the idiot
2004-10-18 15:07:48 UTC
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Post by Harry Snape
Post by Rafeek
Post by Jim E
Post by Paul Abeles
Post by Paul Abeles
If Islam is a peaceful religion how do Muslims explain the barbaric
murders
Post by Paul Abeles
of innocent people by bomb and beheading in the name of Allah? What tenet
of
Post by Paul Abeles
Islam allows this?
Why do Muslims protest about the war in Iraq BUT not against beheadings
and
Post by Paul Abeles
bombings?
if christianity is a peaceful religion how do christians explain the
barbaric bombings of innocent people?
Name one incidence of the targeting of civilians in this century by the US
Oh yeah.. don't forget the A-Bombs that wiped out tens of thousands of
Japanese civilians.
I just checked the papers again on this one, I knew I couldn't have
missed such a big story. I can confirm that the US conducted no such
action in the nearly 4 years that comprise this century.
ah so it was a trick... reply by jim e. crikey. by that logic saddam should
be freed as nice man because he hasnt killed anyone in the last twenty
minutes.
Jim E
2004-10-19 04:26:10 UTC
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Post by Rafeek
Post by Jim E
Post by Paul Abeles
Post by Paul Abeles
If Islam is a peaceful religion how do Muslims explain the barbaric
murders
Post by Paul Abeles
of innocent people by bomb and beheading in the name of Allah? What tenet
of
Post by Paul Abeles
Islam allows this?
Why do Muslims protest about the war in Iraq BUT not against beheadings
and
Post by Paul Abeles
bombings?
if christianity is a peaceful religion how do christians explain the
barbaric bombings of innocent people?
Name one incidence of the targeting of civilians in this century by the US
Oh yeah.. don't forget the A-Bombs that wiped out tens of thousands of
Japanese civilians.
You illiterate left wing peace freak piece of dung.

I specifically said IN THIS CENTURY

god , dealing with islamoturd apologists is trying.
Rafeek
2004-10-19 04:41:35 UTC
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Post by Jim E
Post by Rafeek
Post by Jim E
Post by Paul Abeles
Post by Paul Abeles
If Islam is a peaceful religion how do Muslims explain the barbaric
murders
Post by Paul Abeles
of innocent people by bomb and beheading in the name of Allah? What tenet
of
Post by Paul Abeles
Islam allows this?
Why do Muslims protest about the war in Iraq BUT not against beheadings
and
Post by Paul Abeles
bombings?
if christianity is a peaceful religion how do christians explain the
barbaric bombings of innocent people?
Name one incidence of the targeting of civilians in this century by the US
Oh yeah.. don't forget the A-Bombs that wiped out tens of thousands of
Japanese civilians.
You illiterate left wing peace freak piece of dung.
I specifically said IN THIS CENTURY
god , dealing with islamoturd apologists is trying.
Wow... you witty devil you. So what exactly is your point? Or was it
just to lay a silly little trap? By the way, the name-calling gives
you enormous credibility.
Jim E
2004-10-20 05:29:42 UTC
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Post by Jim E
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Post by Jim E
Post by Paul Abeles
Post by Paul Abeles
If Islam is a peaceful religion how do Muslims explain the barbaric
murders
Post by Paul Abeles
of innocent people by bomb and beheading in the name of Allah? What tenet
of
Post by Paul Abeles
Islam allows this?
Why do Muslims protest about the war in Iraq BUT not against beheadings
and
Post by Paul Abeles
bombings?
if christianity is a peaceful religion how do christians explain the
barbaric bombings of innocent people?
Name one incidence of the targeting of civilians in this century by the US
Oh yeah.. don't forget the A-Bombs that wiped out tens of thousands of
Japanese civilians.
You illiterate left wing peace freak piece of dung.
I specifically said IN THIS CENTURY
god , dealing with islamoturd apologists is trying.
Wow... you witty devil you. So what exactly is your point? Or was it
just to lay a silly little trap?
Not a trap, simply tried to restrict time frame to where arial bombardment
truely could be said to be "aimed".

By the way, the name-calling gives
Post by Rafeek
you enormous credibility.
Strictly a secondary benefit, mostly it saves money on keyboards.

Jim E
Paul Abeles
2004-10-18 05:27:05 UTC
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Post by Paul Abeles
If Islam is a peaceful religion how do Muslims explain the barbaric
murders
Post by Paul Abeles
of innocent people by bomb and beheading in the name of Allah? What
tenet
Post by Paul Abeles
of
Post by Paul Abeles
Islam allows this?
Why do Muslims protest about the war in Iraq BUT not against beheadings
and
Post by Paul Abeles
bombings?
if christianity is a peaceful religion how do christians explain the
barbaric bombings of innocent people?
I don't believe they killed in the name of Jesus. They killed in the name of
governments.
the idiot
2004-10-18 06:08:35 UTC
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Post by Paul Abeles
Post by Paul Abeles
Post by Paul Abeles
If Islam is a peaceful religion how do Muslims explain the barbaric
murders
Post by Paul Abeles
of innocent people by bomb and beheading in the name of Allah? What
tenet
Post by Paul Abeles
of
Post by Paul Abeles
Islam allows this?
Why do Muslims protest about the war in Iraq BUT not against beheadings
and
Post by Paul Abeles
bombings?
if christianity is a peaceful religion how do christians explain the
barbaric bombings of innocent people?
I don't believe they killed in the name of Jesus. They killed in the name of
governments.
oh well thats okay then... of course bush does believe he is doing the work
of god.
Ted
2004-10-18 15:07:15 UTC
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Post by Paul Abeles
Post by Paul Abeles
If Islam is a peaceful religion how do Muslims explain the barbaric
murders
Post by Paul Abeles
of innocent people by bomb and beheading in the name of Allah? What
tenet
Post by Paul Abeles
of
Post by Paul Abeles
Islam allows this?
Why do Muslims protest about the war in Iraq BUT not against beheadings
and
Post by Paul Abeles
bombings?
if christianity is a peaceful religion how do christians explain the
barbaric bombings of innocent people?
But at least large numbers of christians are protesting about it! Haven't
yet seen any muslim demonsrations against the beheadings and slaughter of
innocents all over the world. Have you?????
the idiot
2004-10-19 13:58:00 UTC
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Post by Ted
Post by Paul Abeles
Post by Paul Abeles
If Islam is a peaceful religion how do Muslims explain the barbaric
murders
Post by Paul Abeles
of innocent people by bomb and beheading in the name of Allah? What
tenet
Post by Paul Abeles
of
Post by Paul Abeles
Islam allows this?
Why do Muslims protest about the war in Iraq BUT not against beheadings
and
Post by Paul Abeles
bombings?
if christianity is a peaceful religion how do christians explain the
barbaric bombings of innocent people?
But at least large numbers of christians are protesting about it! Haven't
yet seen any muslim demonsrations against the beheadings and slaughter of
innocents all over the world. Have you?????
i havent seen any christian demonstrations against them either, i have seen
rememberance ceremonies where all faiths have attended though.
Paul Abeles
2004-10-20 16:06:10 UTC
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Post by Ted
Post by Paul Abeles
Post by Paul Abeles
If Islam is a peaceful religion how do Muslims explain the barbaric
murders
Post by Paul Abeles
of innocent people by bomb and beheading in the name of Allah? What
tenet
Post by Paul Abeles
of
Post by Paul Abeles
Islam allows this?
Why do Muslims protest about the war in Iraq BUT not against
beheadings
Post by Ted
Post by Paul Abeles
and
Post by Paul Abeles
bombings?
if christianity is a peaceful religion how do christians explain the
barbaric bombings of innocent people?
But at least large numbers of christians are protesting about it!
Haven't
Post by Ted
yet seen any muslim demonsrations against the beheadings and slaughter of
innocents all over the world. Have you?????
i havent seen any christian demonstrations against them either, i have seen
rememberance ceremonies where all faiths have attended though.
What do you call all those protests by governments and the UN etc. then?
the idiot
2004-10-20 16:23:10 UTC
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Post by Ted
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Post by Paul Abeles
If Islam is a peaceful religion how do Muslims explain the barbaric
murders
Post by Paul Abeles
of innocent people by bomb and beheading in the name of Allah? What
tenet
Post by Paul Abeles
of
Post by Paul Abeles
Islam allows this?
Why do Muslims protest about the war in Iraq BUT not against
beheadings
Post by Ted
Post by Paul Abeles
and
Post by Paul Abeles
bombings?
if christianity is a peaceful religion how do christians explain the
barbaric bombings of innocent people?
But at least large numbers of christians are protesting about it!
Haven't
Post by Ted
yet seen any muslim demonsrations against the beheadings and slaughter
of
Post by Paul Abeles
Post by Ted
innocents all over the world. Have you?????
i havent seen any christian demonstrations against them either, i have
seen
Post by Paul Abeles
rememberance ceremonies where all faiths have attended though.
What do you call all those protests by governments and the UN etc. then?
governments do lots of things, i was under the impression we were discussing
folk demonstrating on the streets?
Jackeroo
2004-10-17 23:29:35 UTC
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Post by Paul Abeles
If Islam is a peaceful religion how do Muslims explain the barbaric murders
of innocent people by bomb and beheading in the name of Allah? What tenet of
Islam allows this?
Why do Muslims protest about the war in Iraq BUT not against beheadings and
bombings?
We are talking about extreme an unjst oppression inPalestine/Israel????

Exactly the same tactics that the Nazis used?

And under the lovable old poms who whatever their faults, did not have the
Nazi regime that Israel calls a democratic government???

http://www.libertyforum.org/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=news_philosophy&Number=471285&t=-1

Subject: Israeli rabbi backs Jewish suicide attacks Organization: Copyright
1997 by Reuters Lines: 43 Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 9:22:44 PDT



Kidnappings, Beatings, Murders and Hangings
Attacks by the Irgun and Stern Gang - In 1944, with the end the war in
sight, Irgun, now under the leadership of Menachem Begin , the future Prime
Minister of Israel 1977-83, began to attack the British administration in
Palestine, starting with bomb attacks on the immigration offices, tax
offices and police stations.

http://www.britains-smallwars.com/Palestine/kidnap.htm





November 27 -
Eight British soldiers killed in bomb attack on police station Jerusalem,
Palestine, in Jewish Irgun terrorist attack.

http://www.cdiss.org/terror_1940s.htm

July 22 - Ninety people killed and forty five wounded after Jewish
terrorists blow up the King David Hotel in Jerusalem, Palestine, which was
home to British government and military offices. The terrorists held workers
at pistol point while they planted the explosives in the basement of the
hotel.



July 12 - Jewish Irgun terrorists kidnap and then hang two British Army
sergeants. The terrorists were trying to secure the release of three Irgun
members who had been sentenced to death by the British authorities in
Palestine.



September 29 - Jewish Irgun terrorists bomb police station in Haifa,
Palestine, killing four British and four Arab policemen, as well as two Arab
civilians. Forty six people injured.



December 12 - Twenty Arabs, five Jews and two British soldiers killed and
thirty wounded in Jewish terrorist bomb attacks on buses in Haifa and
Ramleh, Palestine. British mandate to rule Palestine ends on 15 May 1948;
state of Israel established.



December 29 - Jewish Irgun terrorists throw grenades from passing taxi into
café near the Damascus gate, Jerusalem, Palestine, killing eleven Arabs and
two British policemen.



March 11

Headquarters of the Jewish Agency, Jerusalem, Palestine, destroyed by Arab
car bomb killing thirteen and injuring eighty four.

April 9

Jewish Irgun terrorist group attacks Deir Yassim, Palestine, murdering two
hundred and fifty four Arab women and children captured in the remains of
the village.


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There is a loophole in the western law, which means that whereas incitement
to racial hatred is outlawed, incitement to religious hatred is not.

The following are 12 self-evident observations about the Qu'ran which define
the incitement to religious hatred towards the free world.

01. The Qu'ran advocates the systematic and planned extermination of all
non-muslims, in particular those who challenge Islam's domination of the
world.

02. The Qu'ran advocates the eradication of all non-muslim faiths and
destruction of all non- muslim cultures on Earth.

03. The Qu'ran advocates the enslavement and subservience of non-muslims in
muslim society.

04. The Qu'ran forbids the free excercise of non-muslim religious faiths.

05. The Qu'ran prohibits freedom of speech.

06. The Qu'ran prohibits freedom of the press.

07. The Qu'ran states that deceit, betrayal, treachery and murder are
acceptable in a muslim's conduct towards jews, christians and non-muslims.

08. The Qu'ran teaches muslims to present Islam as a peaceful faith in order
to gain entrance to non-muslim societies until muslims are strong enough and
then killing all the unbelievers.

09. The Qu'ran is the work of a depraved, barbaric and despicable mind.

10. It is aimed at the ignorant and is designed to exploit their ignorance
to bring about the destruction of non-muslim cultures.

11. It is the work of a man with a primitive concept of the world thus it
mostly misleads the ignorant about the nature of god, life and the
afterlife.

12. Islam was born during one of the darkest periods of ideological warfare
in human history, and despite a self proclaimed image as a peaceful faith,
it remains to this day focused on enslaving, maiming and murdering human
beings who challenge its political and ideological aspirations.





Quran teachings:

[2.191] And kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from whence
they drove you

out, and persecution is severer than slaughter, and do not fight with them
at the Sacred

Mosque until they fight with you in it, but if they do fight you, then slay
them; such is the

recompense of the unbelievers.

[3:28]

"Let not the believers take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather

than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah."

[3-151] We will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve, because
they set up with

Allah that for which He has sent down no authority, and their abode is the
fire, and evil is

the abode of the unjust.

[4.89] They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so
that you might be

(all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly
(their homes) in

Allah's way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever
you find them, and

take not from among them a friend or a helper.

[4.91] You will find others who desire that they should be safe from you and
secure from their

own people; as often as they are sent back to the mischief they get thrown
into it headlong;

therefore if they do not withdraw from you, and (do not) offer you peace and
restrain their

hands, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them; and against
these We have given

you a clear authority.

[5-51] O you who believe! Do not take the Jews and the Christians for
friends; they are

friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then
surely he is one

of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.

[8.12] When your Lord revealed to the angels: I am with you, therefore make
firm those who

believe. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve.
Therefore strike off

their heads and strike off every fingertip of them.

[9.29] "Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor
do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the
religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay
the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of
subjection."

[9:29-32] Fight against those among the People of the Book (Jews and
Christians) who

do not believe in God and the Last Day, who do not forbid what God and His
messenger have

forbidden, until they are subdued and pay jizyah (tax on non-Muslims) ...

[8:65] "O Prophet exhort the believers to fight. If there be of you 20
steadfast, they will overcome 200 and if there be of you a 100, they shall
overcome a 1000, because the disbelievers are a folk without intelligence"

A typical invitation to the people of the book (Christians and Jews) was:
"Embrace Islam, or

pay the poll-tax (Ziziya), or fight to death."

[Surah 8:39; 9:5, 29: 47:4] " It is a 'divine' commandment to persecute Jews
and Christians,

to defeat them in battle and then to consign them either to slavery or to
death."

[9:73] O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the Hypocrites,
and be firm against

them. Their abode is Hell,- an evil refuge indeed.

[8:12] I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: smite ye
above their necks

and smite all their finger-tips off them

[9:14] Fight them, and Allah will punish them by your hands, cover them with
shame, help you

(to victory) over them, heal the breasts of Believers,

[8:17] It is not ye who slew them; it was Allah: when thou threwest (a
handful of dust), it

was not thy act, but Allah's: in order that He might test the Believers by a
gracious trial

from Himself

[52.45] Leave them then till they meet that day of theirs wherein they shall
be made to swoon

(with terror):

There is no compulsion in Islam as long as one is a Muslim.

[2-256] There is no compulsion in religion; truly the right way has become
clearly distinct

from error; therefore, whoever disbelieves in the Shaitan and believes in
Allah he indeed has

laid hold on the firmest handle, which shall not break off, and Allah is
Hearing, Knowing.

Islam clearly cannot allow for any other faith. From the hadith:

Sahih Muslim Book 019, Number 4366: It has been narrated by 'Umar b.
al-Khattib that he heard

the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) say: I will expel the Jews
and Christians from

the Arabian Peninsula and will not leave any but Muslim.

Sahih Muslim The Book of Faith (Kitab Al-Iman) Book 001, Number 0033:

It has been narrated on the authority of Abdullah b. 'Umar that the
Messenger of Allah said: I

have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is
no god but Allah,

that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah, and they establish prayer, and pay
Zakat and if they

do it, their blood and property are guaranteed protection on my behalf
except when justified

by law, and their affairs rest with Allah.

Well, if you liked the above, you will love the following:

Wife beating is GOOD for her. Muhammed said so:

3) THE TRADITIONS (HADITH) ON ISLAMIC WIFE BEATING

The Hadith contain more information relative to how wife beating existed in
the early Islamic

culture. There are a variety of writings, all illustrating various facets of
the husband

wife relationship and physical violence against the wife. I will mention
several of them to

bring out the wife's lower position in the marriage, and the exact type of
wife beating that

occurred in Muhammad's time, with his approval. In some cases due to the
length I will only

quote relevant portions of a Hadith.

HISTORICAL CONTEXUAL BACKGROUND ON 4:34

Here is the reference for the background of 4:34.

"A women complained to Muhammad that her husband slapped her on the face,
(which was still

marked by the slap). At first the prophet said to her: "Get even with him",
but then added:

"Wait until I think about it". Later on, Allah supposedly revealed 4:34 to
Muhammad, after

which the prophet said: "We wanted one thing but Allah wanted another, and
what Allah wanted

is best". [To beat your wife is best.]

The above quote comes from Razi's "At-Tafsir al-Kabir" on 4:34 (Quoted

in Beyond the Veil [7]. Razi is one of the greatest Muslim scholars.

Here is a Hadith from Bukhari [8], vol. 7, # 715, that supports the

case:

"Narrated Ikrima: 'Rifaa divorced his wife whereupon Abdur-Rahman married
her. Aisha said

that the lady came wearing a green veil and complained to her (Aisha) and
showed her a green

spot on her skin caused by beating. It was the habit of ladies to support
each other, so when

Allah's messenger came, Aisha said, "I have not seen any woman suffering as
much as the

believing women. Look! Her skin is greener than her clothes! When
Abdur-Rahman heard that

his wife had gone to the prophet, he came with his two sons from another
wife. She said, "By

Allah! I have done no wrong to him, but he is impotent and is as useless to
me as this,"

holding and showing the fringe of her garment. Abdur-Rahman said, "By Allah,
O Allah's

messenger! She has told a lie. I am very strong and can satisfy her, but she
is disobedient

and wants to go back to Rifaa." Allah's messenger said to her, "If that is
your intention,

then know that it is unlawful for you to remarry Rifaa unless Abdur-Rahman
has had sexual

intercourse with you." The prophet saw two boys with Abdur-Rahman and asked
(him), "Are these

your sons?" On that Abdur-Rahman said, "Yes." The prophet said, "You claim
what you claim

(that he is impotent)? But by Allah, these boys resemble him as a crow
resembles a crow.""

Let's note several items from this Hadith.

1) A woman was beaten by her husband because of marriage discord. The women
did not commit

any illegal sexual act. She was beaten and bruised because her husband said
she was

"disobedient" and he thought she wanted to go back to her former husband.

2) The Muslim women were suffering more than the non-Muslim women (via
Aisha's comment),

note it is said in the plural. This tells you just how good Muslim women
back then really had

it. Things were so bad for them, that they had to "support" each other.

3) The woman was badly bruised.

4) Muhammad did not re-prove the man for beating his wife. In fact, he
reproached the women

for saying Rahman was impotent. Even though she was bruised, Muhammad
accepted it.

OTHER HADITH AND TRADITIONS ON WIFE BEATING

Following are a number of various Hadith that relate instances or comments
on wife beating.

Again, I have edited several of these because of length.

ABU JAHM, A WELL KNOW WIFE BEATER

SAHIH MUSLIM [9]. Book 009, Number 3512:

When my period of 'Idda was over, I mentioned to him [Muhammad] that
Mu'awiya b. Abu Sufyan

and Jahm had sent proposal of marriage to me, whereupon Allah's said: As for
Abu Jahm, he does

not put down his staff from his shoulder, and as for Mu'awiya, he is a poor
man having no

property; marry Usama b. Zaid. I objected to him, but he again said: Marry
Usama; so I married

him. Allah blessed there in and I was envied (by others).

SAHIH MUSLIM Book 009, Number 3526:

So I informed him [Muhammad]. (By that time) Mu'awiya, Abu Jahm and Usama b.
Zaid had given

her the proposal of marriage. Allah's Messenger said: So far as Mu'awiya is
concerned, he is a

poor man without any property. So far as Abu Jahm is concerned, he is a
great beater of women,

but Usama b. Zaid... She pointed with her hand (that she did not approve of
the idea of

marrying) Usama. But Allah's Messenger said: Obedience to Allah and
obedience to His Messenger

is better for thee. She said: So I married him, and I became an object of
envy.

SAHIH MUSLIM Book 009, Number 3527:

She said: Mu'awiya and Abu'l-Jahm were among those who had given me the
proposal of marriage.

Thereupon Allah's Apostle said: Mu'awiya is destitute and in poor condition
and Abu'l-Jahm is

very harsh with women (or he beats women, or like that), you should take
Usama b. Zaid (as

your husband).

COMMENT

These three Hadith illustrate that some Muslim husbands could legally beat
their wives without

any retaliatory consequences. Abu Jahm was known to beat his wives and
although Muhammad may

not have cared for it, it certainly was allowed within the Islamic
community.

HADITH OF THE SUNAN OF ABU DAWUD [10]

Because the prescribed treatment of the wife, including wife beating is
important in an

Islamic marriage, this collection of Abu Dawud's Hadith contains a small
chapter dedicated to

wife beating.

CHAPTER 709 - ON BEATING WOMEN

#2141 -Iyas Dhubab reported the apostle of Allah as saying:

"Do not beat Allah's handmaidens", but when Umar came to the apostle of
Allah and said:

"Women have become emboldened towards their husbands", he (the prophet),
gave permission to

beat them. Then many women came round the family of the apostle of Allah
complaining against

their husbands. So the apostle of Allah said, "Many women have gone round
Muhammad's family

complaining against their husbands. They are not the best among you".

Note here that Muhammad commented on the women who were complaining to his
wives: "they are

not the best among you". Muhammad was not commenting on the husbands who
beat their wives.

#2142 -Umar reported the prophet as saying: "A man will not be asked as to
why he beat his

wife".

Abu Dawud's notes on 2141 are: "This shows that wives should obey their
husbands...". On

2142: "This means that a man tries his best to correct his wife, but he
fails to do so, he is

allowed to beat her as a last resort. This tradition never means that a
husband should beat

his wife without any valid reason".

AISHA - MUHAMMAD'S WIFE

Being Muhammad's wife had many great advantages. However, even Aisha and
Hafsah (two of

Muhammad's wives) were physically disciplined. Note that in each case when
Aisha was struck

she was married to Muhammad and she was probably younger than 16 years old.

SAHIH MUSLIM Book 004, #2127:

When it was my turn for Allah's Messenger to spend the night with me, he
turned his side, put

on his mantle and took off his shoes and placed them near his feet, and
spread the corner of

his shawl on his bed and then lay down till he thought that I had gone to
sleep. He took hold

of his mantle slowly and put on the shoes slowly, and opened the door and
went out and then

closed it lightly. I covered my head, put on my veil and tightened my waist
wrapper, and then

went out following his steps till he reached Baqi'. He stood there and he
stood for a long

time. He then lifted his hands three times, and then returned and I also
returned. He hastened

his steps and I also hastened my steps. He ran and I too ran. He came (to
the house) and I

also came (to the house). I, however, preceded him and I entered (the
house), and as I lay

down in the bed, he (the Holy Prophet) entered the (house), and said: Why is
it, O 'Aisha,

that you are out of breath? I said: There is nothing. He said: Tell me or
the Subtle and the

Aware would inform me. I said: Messenger of Allah, may my father and mother
be ransom for you,

and then I told him (the whole story). He said: Was it the darkness (of your
shadow) that I

saw in front of me? I said: Yes. He struck me on the chest which caused me
pain, and then

said: Did you think that Allah and His Apostle would deal unjustly with
you?.

COMMENT: In this Hadith Muhammad chest-slapped Aisha and "caused her pain".
In my opinion,

this action is not "wife beating" in the strictest sense. However, it shows
that a woman can

be struck under the certain circumstances. Muhammad's ego was challenged,
and he was probably

frightened by seeing her shadow late at night, so, in his anger, he struck
Aisha.

SAHIH MUSLIM Book 009, #3506:

Jabir b. 'Abdullah reported: Abu Bakr came and sought permission to see
Allah's Messenger. He

found people sitting at his door and none amongst them had been granted
permission, but it was

granted to Abu Bakr and he went in. Then came 'Umar and he sought permission
and it was

granted to him, and he found Allah's Apostle sitting sad and silent with his
wives around him.

He (Hadrat 'Umar) said: I would say something which would make the Holy
Prophet laugh, so he

said: Messenger of Allah, I wish you had seen (the treatment meted out to)
the daughter of

Kharija when she asked me some money, and I got up and slapped her on her
neck. Allah's

Messenger laughed and said: They are around me as you see, asking for extra
money. Abu Bakr

then got up went to 'Aisha and slapped her on the neck, and 'Umar stood up
before Hafsa and

slapped her saying: You ask Allah's Messenger which he does not possess.
They said: By Allah,

we do not ask Allah's Messenger for anything he does not possess.

COMMENT: The context in this Hadith was that Muhammad had been very upset
for his wives. He

almost divorced them all. While he was upset, his closest friends came to
cheer him up. Umar

mentioned that he had slapped his wife because she wanted more money than he
felt he could

give her. Muhammad laughed when he heard about her being slapped. Then he
pointed out his

wives' demands for more money. As a result, both fathers slapped their
respective daughters.

So in this case Muhammad didn't strike his wives, but he had others do it
for him, making him

just as culpable.

SAHIH BUKHARI VOL. 8 #828

Narrated Aisha: Abu Bakr came to towards me and struck me violently with his
fist and said,

"You have detained the people because of your necklace." But I remained
motionless as if I was

dead lest I should awake Allah's Apostle although that hit was very painful.

COMMENT: The context for this Hadith is that Muhammad delayed breaking of
camp to search for

Aisha's necklace. This made things hard for his followers because there was
not much water.

In his anger, Abu Bakr, Aisha's father, struck her violently with his fist.
Muhammad was

asleep next to her, with his head resting on her legs or side. While this is
not wife

beating, it illustrates the degraded position of Muslim women.

SAHIH BUKHARI Vol. 7, #132

"Narrated Zam'a, "The prophet said, "None of you should flog his wife as he
flogs a slave and

then have sexual intercourse with her in the last part of the day."

Here, Muhammad does not forbid wife beating, rather, he didn't want them
severely beaten as

Muslim's slaves could be beaten.

These Hadith give us glimpses of early Islamic life. They show us how women
were thought of,

and how they were treated. Later Islamic scholars were able to draw from
these stories and

develop an Islamic system of life. Women were the losers in this. But, what
the scholars,

and Muslim leaders did was accurate, based upon the Hadith. If wives were
beaten with

Muhammad's approval, then that practice should continue today. Muslim women
today are placed

in the same position that Rifaa's wife and the slapped women are placed in:
submit or be

physically punished.

Conclusion: Izlam is very intolerant indeed, but swine can live without fear
of slaughter.
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Thirteen reasons why Islam is a disgusting religion.

Many of you are probably wondering why Muslims behave as they do. You
probably think that the

kind of people that blew up the trade center are extremists that are
carrying their religion

much further than was ever intended. But this is not the case. Terrorists
don't create

themselves in a vacuum. The terrorists stand on the shoulders of the
militants; the militants

stand on the shoulders of the ordinary Muslims and they all stand on their
religious texts.

The answer to why Muslims behave as they do can be found in the Quran and
well as in the texts

that describe the life and sayings of their prophet Mohammed - the Hadith.
And while I have

limited myself to examples from Islam's own texts, it should also be
understood that the

violence that has been done by Muslims to the US on this day is the kind of
violence that has

been endured by much of the rest of the world every day. Note, this is a
long piece, so for

those of you who are impatient, reasons 2,3 and 4 are the most relevant to
today's events.

*** 1. Islam is disgusting because it is divisive.

The central function of the Quran is to split mankind into two distinct
catagories - the

believers and the unbelievers. Then playing upon this distinction it uses
the psychological

ploy of constantly threatening the unbeliever with hell and offering to
reward the obedient

believer with heaven. This same theme, with very little variation is
repeated several hundred

times within the Quran. In addition to this, the constantly destructive and
hateful language

that is directed at the unbeliever can only serve to ever increase the
hatred of the Muslim

for the unbeliever. From the constant process of brain washing that we see
in the Quran, it is

easy to see why Muslims have always treated non Muslims as sub human and why
Islam has always

had bloody borders.

Here is a tiny fraction of the examples:

Quran: [4.56] (As for) those who disbelieve in Our communications, We shall
make them enter

fire; so oft as their skins are thoroughly burned, We will change them for
other skins, that

they may taste the chastisement; surely Allah is Mighty, Wise. [4.57] And
(as for) those who

believe and do good deeds, We will make them enter gardens beneath which
rivers flow, to abide

in them for ever; they shall have therein virgins, and We shall make them
enter a dense shade.

[57.19] And (as for) those who believe in Allah and His apostles, these it
is that are the

truthful and the faithful ones in the sight of their Lord: they shall have
their reward and

their light, and (as for) those who disbelieve and reject Our
communications, these are the

inmates of the hell.

[48.6] And (that) He may punish the hypocritical men and the hypocritical
women, and the

polytheistic men and the polytheistic women, the entertainers of evil
thoughts about Allah. On

them is the evil turn, and Allah is wroth with them and has cursed them and
prepared hell for

them, and evil is the resort.

[7.179] And certainly We have created for hell many of the jinn and the men;
they have hearts

with which they do not understand, and they have eyes with which they do not
see, and they

have ears with which they do not hear; they are as cattle, nay, they are in
worse errors;

these are the heedless ones.

[8.37] That Allah might separate the impure from the good, and put the
impure, some of it upon

the other, and pile it up together, then cast it into hell; these it is that
are the losers.

[9.73] O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and
be unyielding to

them; and their abode is hell, and evil is the destination.

[98.6] Surely those who disbelieve from among the followers of the Book and
the polytheists

shall be in the fire of hell, abiding therein; they are the worst of men.

[3.12] Say to those who disbelieve: You shall be vanquished, and driven
together to hell; and

evil is the resting-place.

[35.34] And (as for) those who disbelieve, for them is the fire of hell; it
shall not be

finished with them entirely so that they should die, nor shall the
chastisement thereof be

lightened to them: even thus do We retribute every ungrateful one.

*** 2.Islam is disgusting because it is imperialistic.

Mohammed's purpose in inventing Islam was to constantly increase his power.
All of his actions

were designed to grow Islam. And of course, anyone who became a Muslim fell
under his control.

The imperialistic objectives of Islam to conquer and control the entire
world are clearly

spelled out in these examples.

Quran: [9.29] Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter
day, nor do they

prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion
of truth, out of

those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment
of superiority

and they are in a state of subjection.

[8.39] And fight with them until there is no more persecution and ***
religion should be only

for Allah;*** but if they desist, then surely Allah sees what they do.

Sahih Muslim Book 019, Number 4366: It has been narrated by 'Umar b.
al-Khattib that he heard

the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) say: I will expel the Jews
and Christians from

the Arabian Peninsula and will not leave any but Muslim.

Sahih Muslim The Book of Faith (Kitab Al-Iman) Book 001, Number 0033: It has
been narrated on

the authority of Abdullah b. 'Umar that the Messenger of Allah said: I have
been commanded to

fight against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah, that
Muhammad is the

messenger of Allah, and they establish prayer, and pay Zakat and if they do
it, their blood

and property are guaranteed protection on my behalf except when justified by
law, and their

affairs rest with Allah.

Sahih Bukhari Volume 4, Book 53, Number 392: Narrated Abu Huraira: While we
were in the

Mosque, the Prophet came out and said, "Let us go to the Jews" We went out
till we reached

Bait-ul-Midras. He said to them, "If you embrace Islam, you will be safe.
You should know that

the earth belongs to Allah and His Apostle, and I want to expel you from
this land. So, if

anyone amongst you owns some property, he is permitted to sell it, otherwise
you should know

that the Earth belongs to Allah and His Apostle."

Here is evidence that Mohammed wanted his men to use their women as baby
machines so that his

power would increase.

Abu Dawud Book 11, Number 2045: Narrated Ma'qil ibn Yasar: A man came to the
Prophet

(peace_be_upon_him) and said: I have found a woman of rank and beauty, but
she does not give

birth to children. Should I marry her? He said: No. He came again to him,
but he prohibited

him. He came to him third time, and he (the Prophet) said: Marry women who
are loving and very

prolific, for I shall outnumber the peoples by you.

*** 3. Islam is disgusting because it is bigoted.

Religious bigotry has always been a curse to mankind, and Islam's bigotry
against other

religions is clear from these verses.

Quran: [5.51] O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for
friends; they are

friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then
surely he is one

of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.

[5.82] Certainly you will find the most violent of people in enmity for
those who believe (to

be) the Jews and those who are polytheists, and you will certainly find the
nearest in

friendship to those who believe (to be) those who say: We are Christians;
this is because

there are priests and monks among them and because they do not behave
proudly.

[9.30] And the Jews say: Uzair is the son of Allah; and the Christians say:
The Messiah is the

son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying
of those who

disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!

[4.160] Wherefore for the iniquity of those who are Jews did We disallow to
them the good

things which had been made lawful for them and for their hindering many
(people) from Allah's

way.

[5.18] And the Jews and the Christians say: We are the sons of Allah and His
beloved ones.

Say: Why does He then chastise you for your faults?

*** 4. Islam is disgusting because it is bloodthirsty and genocidal.

Mohammed himself led at least 19 military expeditions. The majority of these
were offensive in

nature. Often they served little purpose but to bring Mohammed and his
followers slaves and

booty. At one time Arabia was almost 40% Jewish. Mohammed annihilated the
majority of them and

subjected the rest to a humilitating second class citizen status. His
followers murders tens

of millions of Persians, Hindus, Turks, Armenian, Kurds, Europeans, etc.
etc. etc. The

following examples from the Islamic religious texts give the source of the
Muslim attitudes.

Quran: [9:5] But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the
Pagans wherever

ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in
every stratagem (of

war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practice regular
charity, then

open the way for them: for God is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.

[9.123] O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to
you and let them

find in you hardness; and know that Allah is with those who guard (against
evil).

[4.74] Therefore let those fight in the way of Allah, who sell this world's
life for the

hereafter; and whoever fights in the way of Allah, then be he slain or be he
victorious, We

shall grant him a mighty reward.

[4:95] Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and receive no hurt,
and those who

strive and fight in the cause of God with their goods and their persons. God
hath granted a

grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than
to those who sit

(at home). Unto all (in Faith) Hath God promised good: But those who strive
and fight Hath He

distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a special reward,-

[8.12] When your Lord revealed to the angels: I am with you, therefore make
firm those who

believe. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve.
Therefore strike off

their heads and strike off every fingertip of them.

[8.57] Therefore if you overtake them in fighting, then scatter by (making
an example of) them

those who are in their rear, that they may be mindful.

[9.111] Surely Allah has bought of the believers their persons and their
property for this,

that they shall have the garden; they fight in Allah's way, so they slay and
are slain; a

promise which is binding on Him in the Taurat and the Injeel and the Quran;
and who is more

faithful to his covenant than Allah? Rejoice therefore in the pledge which
you have made; and

that is the mighty achievement.

[47.4] So when you meet in battle those who disbelieve, then smite the necks
until when you

have overcome them, then make (them) prisoners, and afterwards either set
them free as a favor

or let them ransom (themselves) until the war terminates. That (shall be
so); and if Allah had

pleased He would certainly have exacted what is due from them, but that He
may try some of you

by means of others; and (as for) those who are slain in the way of Allah, He
will by no means

allow their deeds to perish.

[48.16] Say to those of the dwellers of the desert who were left behind: You
shall soon be

invited (to fight) against a people possessing mighty prowess; you will
fight against them

until they submit; then if you obey, Allah will grant you a good reward; and
if you turn back

as you turned back before, He will punish you with a painful punishment.

Sahih Bukhari Volume 5, Book 59, Number 448: Narrated 'Aisha: Sad was
wounded on the day of

Khandaq (i.e. Trench) when a man from Quraish, called Hibban bin Al-'Araqa
hit him (with an

arrow). The man was Hibban bin Qais from (the tribe of) Bani Mais bin 'Amir
bin Lu'ai who shot

an arrow at Sad's medial arm vein (or main artery of the arm). The Prophet
pitched a tent (for

Sad) in the Mosque so that he might be near to the Prophet to visit. When
the Prophet returned

from the (battle) of Al-Khandaq (i.e.Trench) and laid down his arms and took
a bath Gabriel

came to him while he (i.e. Gabriel) was shaking the dust off his head, and
said, "You have

laid down the arms?" By Allah, I have not laid them down. Go out to them (to
attack them)."

The Prophet said, "Where?" Gabriel pointed towards Bani Quraiza. So Allah's
Apostle went to

them (i.e. Banu Quraiza) (i.e. besieged them). They then surrendered to the
Prophet's judgment

but he directed them to Sad to give his verdict concerning them. Sad said,
"I give my judgment

that their warriors should be killed, their women and children should be
taken as captives,

and their properties distributed."

*** 5. Islam is disgusting because it supports slavery.

Reading the Quran one can see an extremely casual attitude to the idea of
having slaves.

Owning slaves is assumed to be a fact of life. There is never any injunction
within either the

Quran or the Hadith against doing so. Mohammed set the example by owning
twenty eight slaves

of his own. Slavery continued within the Muslim world until the European
colonialists forced

them to stop. But even today, slavery is common in such Islamic states as
Mauritania and

Sudan. Muslims claim that the Islamic texts were designed to do away with
slavery, but this is

purely a rationalization. After thirteen hundred years of practicing
slavery, no Muslims ever

showed any sign or desire to give it up.

For those of you who are unclear about Quranic terminology, "those whom your
right hand

possesses" means slaves.

Quran: [16.71]: And Allah has made some of you excel others in the means of
subsistence, so

those who are made to excel do not give away their sustenance to those whom
their right hands

possess so that they should be equal therein; is it then the favor of Allah
which they deny?

[39.29]: Allah sets forth an example: There is a slave in whom are (several)
partners

differing with one another, and there is another slave wholly owned by one
man. Are the two

alike in condition? (All) praise is due to Allah. Nay! most of them do not
know.

[24.32]: And marry those among you who are single and those who are fit
among your male slaves

and your female slaves; if they are needy, Allah will make them free from
want out of His

grace; and Allah is Ample-giving, Knowing.

[16.75]: Allah sets forth a parable: (consider) a slave, the property of
another, (who) has no

power over anything, and one whom We have granted from Ourselves a goodly
sustenance so he

spends from it secretly and openly; are the two alike? (All) praise is due
to Allah!

*** 6. Islam is disgusting because it approves of the rape of slave girls.

Incredible though it may seem, Islam is a religion which approves of the
rape of innocent

women who are captured in battle. Even if those women have living husbands.
Note: "whom their

right hands posses" means slaves.

Quran: [23.1-6] Successful indeed are the believers, Who are humble in their
prayers, And who

keep aloof from what is vain, And who are givers of poor-rate, And who guard
their private

parts, Except before their mates or those whom their right hands possess,
for they surely are

not blameable.

Quran: [70:29] And those who guard their chastity, [70:30] Except with their
wives and the

(captives) whom their right hands possess,- for (then) they are not to be
blamed,

Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3383: Jabir (Allah be pleased with him)
reported that a man came

to Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) and said: I have a slave-girl
who is our servant

and she carries water for us and I have intercourse with her, but I do not
want her to

conceive. He said: Practise 'azl, if you so like, but what is decreed for
her will come to

her. The person stayed back (for some time) and then came and said: The girl
has become

pregnant, whereupon he said: I told you what was decreed for her would come
to her.

Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3432: Abu Sa'id al-Khudri (Allah her pleased
with him) reported

that at the Battle of Hanain Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) sent
an army to Autas

and encountered the enemy and fought with them. Having overcome them and
taken them captives,

the Companions of Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) seemed to
refrain from having

intercourse with captive women because of their husbands being polytheists.
Then Allah, Most

High, sent down regarding that:" And women already married, except those
whom your right hands

possess (iv. 24)" (i. e. they were lawful for them when their 'Idda period
came to an end).

*** 7. Islam is disgusting because it considers women to be stupid.

These Hadith are self explanitory when it comes to showing Mohammed's regard
for the

intelligence of women.

Sahih Bukhari Volume 3, Book 48, Number 826: Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri:
The Prophet said,

"Isn't the witness of a woman equal to half of that of a man?" The women
said, "Yes." He said,

"This is because of the deficiency of a woman's mind."

Sahih Bukhari Volume 2, Book 24, Number 541: Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri ."
Then he went

towards the women and said. "O women! Give alms, for I have seen that the
majority of the

dwellers of Hell-Fire were you (women)." The women asked, "O Allah's
Apostle! What is the

reason for it?" He replied, "O women! You curse frequently, and are
ungrateful to your

husbands. I have not seen anyone more deficient in intelligence and religion
than you..

*** 8. Islam is disgusting because it denies women equal rights and approves
of beating them.

You will never see Muslims tap dance and rationalize any more than they do
to justify the

following verse. But the bottom line is that the inferiority of women is
clearly defined in

this verse.

Quran: [4:34] Men are the managers of the affairs of women for that God has
preferred in

bounty one of them over another, and for that they have expended of their
property. Righteous

women are therefore obedient, guarding the secret for God's guarding. And
those you fear may

be rebellious admonish; banish them to their couches, and beat them. If they
then obey you,

look not for any way against them; God is All-high, All-great.

Men may marry four women. Women may marry one man.

Quran: [4:3] If ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly with the
orphans, Marry women

of your choice, Two or three or four; but if ye fear that ye shall not be
able to deal justly

(with them), then only one, or (a captive) that your right hands possess,
that will be more

suitable, to prevent you from doing injustice.

[4:15] If any of your women are guilty of lewdness, Take the evidence of
four (Reliable)

witnesses from amongst you against them; and if they testify, confine them
to houses until

death do claim them, or God ordain for them some (other) way.

Men inherit twice as much as women.

Quran: [4:11] God (thus) directs you as regards your Children's
(Inheritance): to the male, a

portion equal to that of two females: if only daughters, two or more, their
share is two-

thirds of the inheritance; if only one, her share is a half. For parents, a
sixth share of the

inheritance to each, if the deceased left children; if no children, and the
parents are the

(only) heirs, the mother has a third; if the deceased Left brothers (or
sisters) the mother

has a sixth. (The distribution in all cases ('s) after the payment of
legacies and debts. Ye

know not whether your parents or your children are nearest to you in
benefit. These are

settled portions ordained by God; and God is All-knowing, Al- wise.

Women don't have the soundness of mind to be witnesses, so it takes two
women witnesses to

equal one man.

Quran: [2.282] O you who believe! when you deal with each other in
contracting a debt for a

fixed time, then write it down; and let a scribe write it down between you
with fairness; and

the scribe should not refuse to write as Allah has taught him, so he should
write; and let him

who owes the debt dictate, and he should be careful of (his duty to) Allah,
his Lord, and not

diminish anything from it; but if he who owes the debt is unsound in
understanding, or weak,

or (if) he is not able to dictate himself, let his guardian dictate with
fairness; and call in

to witness from among your men two witnesses; but if there are not two men,
then one man and

two women from among those whom you choose to be witnesses, so that if one
of the two errs,

the second of the two may remind the other; and the witnesses should not
refuse when they are

summoned; and be not averse to writing it (whether it is) small or large,
with the time of its

falling due; .

A man is allowed to beat his wife for any reason he likes.

Abu Dawud Book 11, Number 2142: Narrated Umar ibn al-Khattab: The Prophet
(peace_be_upon_him)

said: A man will not be asked as to why he beat his wife.

*** 9. Islam is disgusting because it considers women as being dirty and
irredeemably corrupt.

Women are polluted during menstruation.

Quran: [2:222] They ask thee concerning women's courses. Say: They are a
hurt and a pollution:

So keep away from women in their courses, and do not approach them until
they are clean. But

when they have purified themselves, ye may approach them in any manner ,
time, or place

ordained for you by God. For God loves those who turn to Him constantly and
He loves those who

keep themselves pure and clean.

Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 30: Narrated Abdullah bin 'Umar:
Allah's Apostle said,

"Evil omen is in the women, the house and the horse.'

Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3467: Abu Huraira (Allah be pleased with him)
reported: Woman

has been created from a rib and will in no way be straightened for you; so
if you wish to

benefit by her, benefit by her while crookedness remains in her. And if you
attempt to

straighten her, you will break her, and breaking her is divorcing her.

Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 33: Narrated Usama bin Zaid: The
Prophet said, "After

me I have not left any affliction more harmful to men than women."

Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 126: Narrated Imran: The Prophet
said, "I looked at

Paradise and saw that the majority of its residents were the poor; and I
looked at the (Hell)

Fire and saw that the majority of its residents were women."

*** 10. Islam is disgusting because it equates women to animals.

Sahih Bukhari Volume 1, Book 9, Number 490: Narrated 'Aisha: The things
which annul the

prayers were mentioned before me. They said, "Prayer is annulled by a dog, a
donkey and a

woman (if they pass in front of the praying people)." I said, "You have made
us (i.e. women)

dogs. I saw the Prophet praying while I used to lie in my bed between him
and the Qibla

Whenever I was in need of something, I would slip away. for I disliked to
face him."

Abu Dawud Book 11, Number 2155: Narrated Abdullah ibn Amr ibn al-'As: The
Prophet

(peace_be_upon_him) said: If one of you marries a woman or buys a slave, he
should say: "O

Allah, I ask Thee for the good in her, and in the disposition Thou hast
given her; I take

refuge in Thee from the evil in her, and in the disposition Thou hast given
her." When he buys

a camel, he should take hold of the top of its hump and say the same kind of
thing.

*** 11. Islam is disgusting because it approves of old men having sex with
children.

Because Mohammed married a 6 year old girl, and had sex with her when she
was 9, the Muslim

world has had a standard of child marriage ever since. This has brought
about untold mental

and occasionally physical suffering upon these poor girls for 1400 years.
Even today, one

occasionally sees a twenty year old grandmother in Islamic societies.
Mohammed was 53 at the

time that he had sex with the 9 year old Aisha.

Here are the Hadith which document Mohammed's transgressions.

Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 17: Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah:
When I got married,

Allah's Apostle said to me, "What type of lady have you married?" I replied,
"I have married a

matron' He said, "Why, don't you have a liking for the virgins and for
fondling them?" Jabir

also said: Allah's Apostle said, "Why didn't you marry a young girl so that
you might play

with her and she with you?'

Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3309: 'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her)
reported: Allah's

Messenger (may peace be upon him) married me when I was six years old, and I
was admitted to

his house at the age of nine. She further said: We went to Medina and I had
an attack of fever

for a month, and my hair had come down to the earlobes. Umm Ruman (my
mother) came to me and I

was at that time on a swing along with my playmates. She called me loudly
and I went to her

and I did not know what she had wanted of me. She took hold of my hand and
took me to the

door, and I was saying: Ha, ha (as if I was gasping), until the agitation of
my heart was

over. She took me to a house, where had gathered the women of the Ansar.
They all blessed me

and wished me good luck and said: May you have share in good. She (my
mother) entrusted me to

them. They washed my head and embellished me and nothing frightened me.
Allah's Messenger (,

may peace be upon him) came there in the morning, and I was entrusted to
him.

Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3310: 'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her)
reported: Allah's

Apostle (may peace be upon him) married me when I was six years old, and I
was admitted to his

house when I was nine years old.

Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3311: 'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her)
reported that Allah's

Apostle (may peace be upon him) married her when she was seven years old,
and he was taken to

his house as a bride when she was nine, and her dolls were with her; and
when he (the Holy

Prophet) died she was eighteen years old.

Sahih Bukhari Volume 5, Book 58, Number 234: Narrated Aisha: The Prophet
engaged me when I was

a girl of six (years). We went to Medina and stayed at the home of
Bani-al-Harith bin Khazraj.

Then I got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my
mother, Um Ruman,

came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She
called me, and I

went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the
hand and made me

stand at the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing
became Allright,

she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took me
into the house.

There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said, "Best wishes and
Allah's Blessing and a

good luck." Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the
marriage).

Unexpectedly Allah's Apostle came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed
me over to him,

and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age.

Sahih Bukhari Volume 8, Book 73, Number 151: Narrated 'Aisha: I used to play
with the dolls in

the presence of the Prophet, and my girl friends also used to play with me.
When Allah's

Apostle used to enter (my dwelling place) they used to hide themselves, but
the Prophet would

call them to join and play with me. (The playing with the dolls and similar
images is

forbidden, but it was allowed for 'Aisha at that time, as she was a little
girl, not yet

reached the age of puberty.) (Fateh-al-Bari page 143, Vol.13)

Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64: Narrated 'Aisha: that the
Prophet married her when

she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine
years old, and then

she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death).

Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 88: Narrated 'Ursa: The Prophet
wrote the (marriage

contract) with 'Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his
marriage with her while

she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till
his death).

Apparently Mohammed waited until the day after Aisha's first menstruation,
and then had sex

with her immediately in the morning of the day when she was brought to him.

Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 90: Narrated Aisha: When the Prophet
married me, my

mother came to me and made me enter the house (of the Prophet) and nothing
surprised me but

the coming of Allah's Apostle to me in the forenoon.

*** 12. Islam is disgusting because it is full of superstition and dogma.

I have not gone into many of the primitive Islamic superstitions in this
section, such as the

invisible creatures called the jinn. But here are a few other examples.

From Bukhari Vol 4, #540 - Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar: Allah's Apostle
ordered that the dogs

should be killed.

From the Hadith of Abu Dawud - #2839 - Abd Allah B. Mughaffal reported the
apostle of Allah as

saying: Were dogs not a species of creature I should command that they all
be killed; but kill

every pure black one.

From Sahih Muslim #3813 - Abu Zubair heard Jabir Abdullah saying: Allah's
messenger ordered us

to kill dogs and we carried out this order so much so that we also killed
the dog roaming with

a women from the desert. Then Allah's apostle forbade their killing. He
said: "It is your duty

to kill the jet-black (dog) having two spots (on the eyes) for it is a
devil.

Sahih Bukhari Vol 7, #843 Narrated Salim's father: "Once Gabriel promised to
visit the Prophet

but he delayed and the Prophet got worried about that. At last he came out
and found Gabriel

and complained to him of his grief (for his delay). Gabriel said to him, "We
do not enter a

place in which there is a picture or a dog.""

Sahih Bukhari Volume 1, Book 4, Number 234: Narrated Abu Qilaba: Anas said,
"Some people of

'Ukl or 'Uraina tribe came to Medina and its climate did not suit them. So
the Prophet ordered

them to go to the herd of (Milch) camels and to drink their milk and urine
(as a medicine). So

they went as directed and after they became healthy, they killed the
shepherd of the Prophet

and drove away all the camels. The news reached the Prophet early in the
morning and he sent

(men) in their pursuit and they were captured and brought at noon. He then
ordered to cut

their hands and feet (and it was done), and their eyes were branded with
heated pieces of

iron, They were put in 'Al-Harra' and when they asked for water, no water
was given to them."

Abu Qilaba said, "Those people committed theft and murder became infidels
after embracing

Islam and fought against Allah and His Apostle ."

*** 13. Islam is disgusting because it murders apostates.

If a person is born into Islam or accepts Islam he is never allowed to
change his mind, not

matter how genuine his reasons may be. The penalty for leaving Islam for
anyone living in a

country that is under Islamic law is death. This standard is implied in the
Quran, it is

spelled out in the Hadith, and it is codefied in the Islamic Sharia law.

[3.85] And whoever desires a religion other than Islam, it shall not be
accepted from him, and

in the hereafter he shall be one of the losers. [3.86] How shall Allah guide
a people who

disbelieved after their believing and (after) they had borne witness that
the Apostle was true

and clear arguments had come to them; and Allah does not guide the unjust
people.[3.87] (As

for) these, their reward is that upon them is the curse of Allah and the
angels and of men,

all together.

[9.73] O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and
be unyielding to

them; and their abode is hell, and evil is the destination. [9.74] They
swear by Allah that

they did not speak, and certainly they did speak, the word of unbelief, and
disbelieved after

their Islam, and they had determined upon what they have not been able to
effect, and they did

not find fault except because Allah and His Apostle enriched them out of His
grace; therefore

if they repent, it will be good for them; and if they turn back, Allah will
chastise them with

a painful chastisement in this world and the hereafter, and they shall not
have in the land

any guardian or a helper.

Bukhari, Volume 9, #17 "Narrated Abdullah: Allah's Messenger said, "The
blood of a Muslim who

confesses that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that I am
His Messenger,

cannot be shed except in three cases: in Qisas (equality in punishment) for
murder, a married

person who commits illegal sexual intercourse and the one who reverts from
Islam (Apostate)

and leaves the Muslims."

Bukhari Volume 9, #57 Narrated Ikrima, "Some atheists were brought to Ali
and he burnt them.

The news of this event, reached Ibn Abbas who said, "If I had been in his
place, I would not

have burnt them, as Allah's messenger forbade it, saying, "Do not punish
anybody with Allah's

punishment (fire)." I would have killed them according to the statement of
Allah's Messenger,

"Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him."

Bukhari Volume 9, #58 Narrated Abu Bruda, "Abu Musa said.....Behold there
was a fettered man

beside Abu Musa. Muadh asked, "Who is this (man)?" Abu Musa said, "He was a
Jew and became a

Muslim and hen reverted back to Judaism." Then Abu Musa requested Muadh to
sit down but Muadh

said, "I will not sit down till he has been killed. This is the judgment of
Allah and his

messenger," and repeated it thrice. Then Abu Musa ordered that the man be
killed, and he was

killed. Abu Musa added, "Then we discussed the night prayers .....

Bukhari Volume 9, Book 84, Number 64: Narrated 'Ali: Whenever I tell you a
narration from

Allah's Apostle, by Allah, I would rather fall down from the sky than
ascribe a false

statement to him, but if I tell you something between me and you (not a
Hadith) then it was

indeed a trick (i.e., I may say things just to cheat my enemy). No doubt I
heard Allah's

Apostle saying, "During the last days there will appear some young foolish
people who will say

the best words but their faith will not go beyond their throats (i.e. they
will have no faith)

and will go out from (leave) their religion as an arrow goes out of the
game. So, where-ever

you find them, kill them, for who-ever kills them shall have reward on the
Day of

Resurrection."

This is by no means an exhaustive list of the reasons why Islam is a
disgusting religion, but

it will do for a start.
Bob Weigel
2004-10-18 18:19:45 UTC
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We've covered this many times in here. Ch9 of the Quaran is quite detailed
about the open eneded command to murder all non believers wherever you find
them. This was the original thrust of islam before charlamagne stopped them
for many centuries. Whenever the religion gets enough cohesion to do it
again, we can expect such things. Then we have to refresh our memories
about what their own text says. -Bob
Post by Paul Abeles
If Islam is a peaceful religion how do Muslims explain the barbaric murders
of innocent people by bomb and beheading in the name of Allah? What tenet of
Islam allows this?
Why do Muslims protest about the war in Iraq BUT not against beheadings and
bombings?
Nige
2004-10-19 00:48:47 UTC
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Kill Followers of Other Religions



"If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife,
or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you
and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or
far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or
listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill
him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the
people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he
sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of
the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this,
shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst." (Deuteronomy
13:7-12 NAB)

the bible is similar !!!
Post by Bob Weigel
We've covered this many times in here. Ch9 of the Quaran is quite detailed
about the open eneded command to murder all non believers wherever you find
them. This was the original thrust of islam before charlamagne stopped them
for many centuries. Whenever the religion gets enough cohesion to do it
again, we can expect such things. Then we have to refresh our memories
about what their own text says. -Bob
Post by Paul Abeles
If Islam is a peaceful religion how do Muslims explain the barbaric
murders
Post by Paul Abeles
of innocent people by bomb and beheading in the name of Allah? What tenet
of
Post by Paul Abeles
Islam allows this?
Why do Muslims protest about the war in Iraq BUT not against beheadings
and
Post by Paul Abeles
bombings?
Bob Weigel
2004-10-19 01:24:52 UTC
Permalink
Nige,

"similar" in an aspect. Not equal however. Context tells us MUCH
about the things the bible talks about in these respects. As I've said to
nausiety (is that a word? :-) I'd like to THINK so! ) the people of Israel
were a SPECIAL CASE. They were set apart to be a picture IN the physical
world of how things work in the kingdom of heaven. ANd they were used to
snuff out a few nations who had fallen into complete idolotry and child
sacrifice and so on...just as God himself destroyed the whole world for like
things in the days of noah where there was 'only evil all of the time' save
Noah and his family.
The Christian has a NEW set of commands that Jesus gave SIGNIFYING
the end of this particular nation being set apart for those purposes.
NOW...God allowed his people rather to be SCATTERED, having

1) seen the lessons that Israel was set apart to teach
2) received the messiah who they brought forth to say 'it is finished' as
his sacrifice was completed
3) his love in their hearts for any who might come to him so that even if
they persecute, they do not return the evil!

A Chrisitan still may discern that someone has no conscience and that
it is better to kill them than to allow them to kill others for instance.
However a Christian will never embark based on some idea that they have to
go kill everyone who disagrees with them. MUSLIMS...on the other hand...are
literally commanded to PERPETUALLY. Quite a difference. If a Christian
doesn't do it in God's discernment..hey..they'll wind up in hell...or God
himself may stop them if there is some purpose for it. However, God allowed
the Roman Catholics for instance to take part in some horrible stuff and did
not stop them, though it was clearly not his will that they do what they
did. They were liars and hypocrits and many of the people they killed it
appears were genuine people who just wouldn't bow down to their crap
idolotry!
Anyway, a striking difference. Many things have similarities but are
totally out of phase. Like Bush recognizing enemies of the state for
instance...and Hitler doing the same. One COULD be for a very good purpose.
Hitler recognized certainly a valid enemy of the State in Stalin. However,
he used that to ally people for his own wicked purposes. So far, we haven't
seen that aspect with Bush. Let me know when he's dragging the jews out and
stuffing them in trains, ok? :-) But in the meantime, I think it's safe to
say there are some fundamental differences and therefore it is SILLY to
compare Bush and Hitler mearly on the basis of a peripheral similarity of
this nature.
In like fashion, it is silly to compare Christianity and Islam.
Islam was begun by a murdering lying leader who snagged a ficticious
moon/war God as an article of association to ally people. Jesus Christ
began Christianity by laying down his life for this sinful world that
crucified him for his good deeds. Pure, righteous deeds of healing people,
telling people the truth even when it jeopardized his own well being. -Bob
Post by Nige
Kill Followers of Other Religions
"If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife,
or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you
and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or
far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or
listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill
him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the
people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he
sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of
the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this,
shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst." (Deuteronomy
13:7-12 NAB)
the bible is similar !!!
Post by Bob Weigel
We've covered this many times in here. Ch9 of the Quaran is quite detailed
about the open eneded command to murder all non believers wherever you find
them. This was the original thrust of islam before charlamagne stopped them
for many centuries. Whenever the religion gets enough cohesion to do it
again, we can expect such things. Then we have to refresh our memories
about what their own text says. -Bob
Post by Paul Abeles
If Islam is a peaceful religion how do Muslims explain the barbaric
murders
Post by Paul Abeles
of innocent people by bomb and beheading in the name of Allah? What tenet
of
Post by Paul Abeles
Islam allows this?
Why do Muslims protest about the war in Iraq BUT not against beheadings
and
Post by Paul Abeles
bombings?
twofeathers
2004-10-19 19:41:32 UTC
Permalink
Post by Bob Weigel
Nige,
"similar" in an aspect. Not equal however. Context tells us MUCH
about the things the bible talks about in these respects. As I've said to
nausiety (is that a word? :-) I'd like to THINK so! ) the people of Israel
were a SPECIAL CASE. They were set apart to be a picture IN the physical
world of how things work in the kingdom of heaven. ANd they were used to
snuff out a few nations who had fallen into complete idolotry and child
sacrifice and so on...just as God himself destroyed the whole world for like
things in the days of noah where there was 'only evil all of the time' save
Noah and his family.
The Christian has a NEW set of commands that Jesus gave SIGNIFYING
the end of this particular nation being set apart for those purposes.
NOW...God allowed his people rather to be SCATTERED, having
what this is saying is forget what GOD said as JESUS is the new GOD
and bob is god since jesus is dead!
Post by Bob Weigel
1) seen the lessons that Israel was set apart to teach
2) received the messiah who they brought forth to say 'it is finished' as
his sacrifice was completed
3) his love in their hearts for any who might come to him so that even if
they persecute, they do not return the evil!
A Chrisitan still may discern that someone has no conscience and that
it is better to kill them than to allow them to kill others for instance.
However a Christian will never embark based on some idea that they have to
go kill everyone who disagrees with them. MUSLIMS...on the other hand...are
literally commanded to PERPETUALLY. Quite a difference. If a Christian
doesn't do it in God's discernment..hey..they'll wind up in hell...or God
himself may stop them if there is some purpose for it. However, God allowed
the Roman Catholics for instance to take part in some horrible stuff and did
not stop them, though it was clearly not his will that they do what they
did. They were liars and hypocrits and many of the people they killed it
appears were genuine people who just wouldn't bow down to their crap
idolotry!
Anyway, a striking difference. Many things have similarities but are
totally out of phase. Like Bush recognizing enemies of the state for
instance...and Hitler doing the same. One COULD be for a very good purpose.
Hitler recognized certainly a valid enemy of the State in Stalin. However,
he used that to ally people for his own wicked purposes. So far, we haven't
seen that aspect with Bush. Let me know when he's dragging the jews out and
stuffing them in trains, ok? :-) But in the meantime, I think it's safe to
say there are some fundamental differences and therefore it is SILLY to
compare Bush and Hitler mearly on the basis of a peripheral similarity of
this nature.
In like fashion, it is silly to compare Christianity and Islam.
Islam was begun by a murdering lying leader who snagged a ficticious
moon/war God as an article of association to ally people. Jesus Christ
began Christianity by laying down his life for this sinful world that
crucified him for his good deeds. Pure, righteous deeds of healing people,
telling people the truth even when it jeopardized his own well being. -Bob
THINGS HE WANTS YOU TO IGNORE AS THE NEW GOD SAID FORGET WHAT THE OLD
GOD SAID SO BOB SAYS! HAIL GOD BOB!
Kill People Who Don't Listen to Priests

Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of
the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death.
Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)



Kill Witches

You should not let a sorceress live. (Exodus 22:17 NAB)



Kill Homosexuals
"If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be
put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their
lives." (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)



Kill Fortunetellers

A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be
put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for
their death. (Leviticus 20:27 NAB)



Death for Hitting Dad

Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death.
(Exodus 21:15 NAB)



Death for Cursing Parents

1) If one curses his father or mother, his lamp will go out at the
coming of darkness. (Proverbs 20:20 NAB)

2) All who curse their father or mother must be put to death.
They are guilty of a capital offense. (Leviticus 20:9 NLT)



Death for Adultery

If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man
and the woman must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)



Death for Fornication

A priest's daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication
and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death.
(Leviticus 21:9 NAB)



Death to Followers of Other Religions

Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be
doomed. (Exodus 22:19 NAB)



Kill Nonbelievers

They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their
fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not
seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether
small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)



Kill False Prophets

If a man still prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall
say to him, "You shall not live, because you have spoken a lie in the
name of the Lord." When he prophesies, his parents, father and
mother, shall thrust him through. (Zechariah 13:3 NAB)



Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God

Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving
you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow
citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such
cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true
and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you
must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as
well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the
middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as
a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin
forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has
been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his
fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you
and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your
ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him
and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is
pleasing to him." (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)



Kill Women Who Are Not Virgins On Their Wedding Night

But if this charge is true (that she wasn't a virgin on her
wedding night), and evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they
shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there
her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime
against Israel by her unchasteness in her father's house. Thus shall
you purge the evil from your midst. (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB)



Kill Followers of Other Religions.

1) If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your
beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve
other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any
other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to
the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity
upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be
the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in
with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you
astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of
Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall
fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. (Deuteronomy
13:7-12 NAB)



2) Suppose a man or woman among you, in one of your towns that the
LORD your God is giving you, has done evil in the sight of the LORD
your God and has violated the covenant by serving other gods or by
worshiping the sun, the moon, or any of the forces of heaven, which I
have strictly forbidden. When you hear about it, investigate the
matter thoroughly. If it is true that this detestable thing has been
done in Israel, then that man or woman must be taken to the gates of
the town and stoned to death. (Deuteronomy 17:2-5 NLT)



Death for Blasphemy

One day a man who had an Israelite mother and an Egyptian father
got into a fight with one of the Israelite men. During the fight,
this son of an Israelite woman blasphemed the LORD's name. So the man
was brought to Moses for judgment. His mother's name was Shelomith.
She was the daughter of Dibri of the tribe of Dan. They put the man
in custody until the LORD's will in the matter should become clear.
Then the LORD said to Moses, "Take the blasphemer outside the camp,
and tell all those who heard him to lay their hands on his head. Then
let the entire community stone him to death. Say to the people of
Israel: Those who blaspheme God will suffer the consequences of their
guilt and be punished. Anyone who blasphemes the LORD's name must be
stoned to death by the whole community of Israel. Any Israelite or
foreigner among you who blasphemes the LORD's name will surely die.
(Leviticus 24:10-16 NLT)



Kill False Prophets

1) Suppose there are prophets among you, or those who have dreams
about the future, and they promise you signs or miracles, and the
predicted signs or miracles take place. If the prophets then say,
'Come, let us worship the gods of foreign nations,' do not listen to
them. The LORD your God is testing you to see if you love him with
all your heart and soul. Serve only the LORD your God and fear him
alone. Obey his commands, listen to his voice, and cling to him. The
false prophets or dreamers who try to lead you astray must be put to
death, for they encourage rebellion against the LORD your God, who
brought you out of slavery in the land of Egypt. Since they try to
keep you from following the LORD your God, you must execute them to
remove the evil from among you. (Deuteronomy 13:1-5 NLT)



2) But any prophet who claims to give a message from another god
or who falsely claims to speak for me must die.' You may wonder, 'How
will we know whether the prophecy is from the LORD or not?' If the
prophet predicts something in the LORD's name and it does not happen,
the LORD did not give the message. That prophet has spoken on his own
and need not be feared. (Deuteronomy 18:20-22 NLT)



Infidels and Gays Should Die

So God let them go ahead and do whatever shameful things their
hearts desired. As a result, they did vile and degrading things with
each other's bodies. Instead of believing what they knew was the
truth about God, they deliberately chose to believe lies. So they
worshiped the things God made but not the Creator himself, who is to
be praised forever. Amen. That is why God abandoned them to their
shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to
have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other. And the men,
instead of having normal sexual relationships with women, burned with
lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men and, as a
result, suffered within themselves the penalty they so richly
deserved. When they refused to acknowledge God, he abandoned them to
their evil minds and let them do things that should never be done.
Their lives became full of every kind of wickedness, sin, greed, hate,
envy, murder, fighting, deception, malicious behavior, and gossip.
They are backstabbers, haters of God, insolent, proud, and boastful.
They are forever inventing new ways of sinning and are disobedient to
their parents. They refuse to understand, break their promises, and
are heartless and unforgiving. They are fully aware of God's death
penalty for those who do these things, yet they go right ahead and do
them anyway. And, worse yet, they encourage others to do them, too.
(Romans 1:24-32 NLT)



Kill Anyone who Approaches the Tabernacle

For the LORD had said to Moses, 'Exempt the tribe of Levi from the
census; do not include them when you count the rest of the Israelites.
You must put the Levites in charge of the Tabernacle of the Covenant,
along with its furnishings and equipment. They must carry the
Tabernacle and its equipment as you travel, and they must care for it
and camp around it. Whenever the Tabernacle is moved, the Levites
will take it down and set it up again. Anyone else who goes too near
the Tabernacle will be executed.' (Numbers 1:48-51 NLT)



Kill People for Working on the Sabbath

The LORD then gave these further instructions to Moses: 'Tell the
people of Israel to keep my Sabbath day, for the Sabbath is a sign of
the covenant between me and you forever. It helps you to remember
that I am the LORD, who makes you holy. Yes, keep the Sabbath day,
for it is holy. Anyone who desecrates it must die; anyone who works
on that day will be cut off from the community. Work six days only,
but the seventh day must be a day of total rest. I repeat: Because
the LORD considers it a holy day, anyone who works on the Sabbath must
be put to death.' (Exodus 31:12-15 NLT)
twofeathers
2004-10-20 02:44:04 UTC
Permalink
so if jesus set a new set of laws, does that mean you don't obey his
father"s laws in the old testament or are you being selective in which
ones you keep? and god destroyed the whole world? guess you don't know
of the discovery that the area where noah was, is the only place that
got flooded, the rest of the world didn't get touched! are you that
dumb? you should get out of your little hole in the ground and read!
oh i forgot you only have one eye, so you only read the one side of a
page> is that what you did with the bible? one page you see the othe
you don't, again your being selective! as far as christians killing
people when dd it stop? how about those heathens in new america, or
the supposed witches of salem, or the ones who didn't want your god
here in america? or the blacks being slaves for the whites? where were
those laws then that you speak of and who would blame those of islam,
when christians put there foot on their back and say do it my way or
die? just like in the middle east right now! they are actaully more
similar to the faith of god than you will ever be! poor old god bob
LOL
Post by Bob Weigel
Nige,
"similar" in an aspect. Not equal however. Context tells us MUCH
about the things the bible talks about in these respects. As I've said to
nausiety (is that a word? :-) I'd like to THINK so! ) the people of Israel
were a SPECIAL CASE. They were set apart to be a picture IN the physical
world of how things work in the kingdom of heaven. ANd they were used to
snuff out a few nations who had fallen into complete idolotry and child
sacrifice and so on...just as God himself destroyed the whole world for like
things in the days of noah where there was 'only evil all of the time' save
Noah and his family.
The Christian has a NEW set of commands that Jesus gave SIGNIFYING
the end of this particular nation being set apart for those purposes.
NOW...God allowed his people rather to be SCATTERED, having
1) seen the lessons that Israel was set apart to teach
2) received the messiah who they brought forth to say 'it is finished' as
his sacrifice was completed
3) his love in their hearts for any who might come to him so that even if
they persecute, they do not return the evil!
A Chrisitan still may discern that someone has no conscience and that
it is better to kill them than to allow them to kill others for instance.
However a Christian will never embark based on some idea that they have to
go kill everyone who disagrees with them. MUSLIMS...on the other hand...are
literally commanded to PERPETUALLY. Quite a difference. If a Christian
doesn't do it in God's discernment..hey..they'll wind up in hell...or God
himself may stop them if there is some purpose for it. However, God allowed
the Roman Catholics for instance to take part in some horrible stuff and did
not stop them, though it was clearly not his will that they do what they
did. They were liars and hypocrits and many of the people they killed it
appears were genuine people who just wouldn't bow down to their crap
idolotry!
Anyway, a striking difference. Many things have similarities but are
totally out of phase. Like Bush recognizing enemies of the state for
instance...and Hitler doing the same. One COULD be for a very good purpose.
Hitler recognized certainly a valid enemy of the State in Stalin. However,
he used that to ally people for his own wicked purposes. So far, we haven't
seen that aspect with Bush. Let me know when he's dragging the jews out and
stuffing them in trains, ok? :-) But in the meantime, I think it's safe to
say there are some fundamental differences and therefore it is SILLY to
compare Bush and Hitler mearly on the basis of a peripheral similarity of
this nature.
In like fashion, it is silly to compare Christianity and Islam.
Islam was begun by a murdering lying leader who snagged a ficticious
moon/war God as an article of association to ally people. Jesus Christ
began Christianity by laying down his life for this sinful world that
crucified him for his good deeds. Pure, righteous deeds of healing people,
telling people the truth even when it jeopardized his own well being. -Bob
Post by Nige
Kill Followers of Other Religions
"If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved
wife,
Post by Nige
or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you
and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand
or
Post by Nige
far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or
listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but
kill
Post by Nige
him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the
people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he
sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of
the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of
this,
Post by Nige
shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst." (Deuteronomy
13:7-12 NAB)
the bible is similar !!!
Post by Bob Weigel
We've covered this many times in here. Ch9 of the Quaran is quite detailed
about the open eneded command to murder all non believers wherever you find
them. This was the original thrust of islam before charlamagne stopped them
for many centuries. Whenever the religion gets enough cohesion to do it
again, we can expect such things. Then we have to refresh our memories
about what their own text says. -Bob
Post by Paul Abeles
If Islam is a peaceful religion how do Muslims explain the barbaric
murders
Post by Nige
Post by Bob Weigel
Post by Paul Abeles
of innocent people by bomb and beheading in the name of Allah? What
tenet
of
Post by Nige
Post by Bob Weigel
Post by Paul Abeles
Islam allows this?
Why do Muslims protest about the war in Iraq BUT not against beheadings
and
Post by Nige
Post by Bob Weigel
Post by Paul Abeles
bombings?
twofeathers
2004-10-19 00:52:55 UTC
Permalink
yep your right lets remind them why they kill! christians that is:

Kill People Who Don't Listen to Priests

Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of
the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death.
Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)



Kill Witches

You should not let a sorceress live. (Exodus 22:17 NAB)



Kill Homosexuals
"If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be
put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their
lives." (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)



Kill Fortunetellers

A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be
put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for
their death. (Leviticus 20:27 NAB)



Death for Hitting Dad

Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death.
(Exodus 21:15 NAB)



Death for Cursing Parents

1) If one curses his father or mother, his lamp will go out at the
coming of darkness. (Proverbs 20:20 NAB)

2) All who curse their father or mother must be put to death.
They are guilty of a capital offense. (Leviticus 20:9 NLT)



Death for Adultery

If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man
and the woman must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)



Death for Fornication

A priest's daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication
and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death.
(Leviticus 21:9 NAB)



Death to Followers of Other Religions

Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be
doomed. (Exodus 22:19 NAB)



Kill Nonbelievers

They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their
fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not
seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether
small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)



Kill False Prophets

If a man still prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall
say to him, "You shall not live, because you have spoken a lie in the
name of the Lord." When he prophesies, his parents, father and
mother, shall thrust him through. (Zechariah 13:3 NAB)



Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God

Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving
you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow
citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such
cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true
and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you
must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as
well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the
middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as
a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin
forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has
been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his
fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you
and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your
ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him
and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is
pleasing to him." (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)



Kill Women Who Are Not Virgins On Their Wedding Night

But if this charge is true (that she wasn't a virgin on her
wedding night), and evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they
shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there
her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime
against Israel by her unchasteness in her father's house. Thus shall
you purge the evil from your midst. (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB)



Kill Followers of Other Religions.

1) If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your
beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve
other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any
other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to
the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity
upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be
the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in
with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you
astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of
Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall
fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. (Deuteronomy
13:7-12 NAB)



2) Suppose a man or woman among you, in one of your towns that the
LORD your God is giving you, has done evil in the sight of the LORD
your God and has violated the covenant by serving other gods or by
worshiping the sun, the moon, or any of the forces of heaven, which I
have strictly forbidden. When you hear about it, investigate the
matter thoroughly. If it is true that this detestable thing has been
done in Israel, then that man or woman must be taken to the gates of
the town and stoned to death. (Deuteronomy 17:2-5 NLT)



Death for Blasphemy

One day a man who had an Israelite mother and an Egyptian father
got into a fight with one of the Israelite men. During the fight,
this son of an Israelite woman blasphemed the LORD's name. So the man
was brought to Moses for judgment. His mother's name was Shelomith.
She was the daughter of Dibri of the tribe of Dan. They put the man
in custody until the LORD's will in the matter should become clear.
Then the LORD said to Moses, "Take the blasphemer outside the camp,
and tell all those who heard him to lay their hands on his head. Then
let the entire community stone him to death. Say to the people of
Israel: Those who blaspheme God will suffer the consequences of their
guilt and be punished. Anyone who blasphemes the LORD's name must be
stoned to death by the whole community of Israel. Any Israelite or
foreigner among you who blasphemes the LORD's name will surely die.
(Leviticus 24:10-16 NLT)



Kill False Prophets

1) Suppose there are prophets among you, or those who have dreams
about the future, and they promise you signs or miracles, and the
predicted signs or miracles take place. If the prophets then say,
'Come, let us worship the gods of foreign nations,' do not listen to
them. The LORD your God is testing you to see if you love him with
all your heart and soul. Serve only the LORD your God and fear him
alone. Obey his commands, listen to his voice, and cling to him. The
false prophets or dreamers who try to lead you astray must be put to
death, for they encourage rebellion against the LORD your God, who
brought you out of slavery in the land of Egypt. Since they try to
keep you from following the LORD your God, you must execute them to
remove the evil from among you. (Deuteronomy 13:1-5 NLT)



2) But any prophet who claims to give a message from another god
or who falsely claims to speak for me must die.' You may wonder, 'How
will we know whether the prophecy is from the LORD or not?' If the
prophet predicts something in the LORD's name and it does not happen,
the LORD did not give the message. That prophet has spoken on his own
and need not be feared. (Deuteronomy 18:20-22 NLT)



Infidels and Gays Should Die

So God let them go ahead and do whatever shameful things their
hearts desired. As a result, they did vile and degrading things with
each other's bodies. Instead of believing what they knew was the
truth about God, they deliberately chose to believe lies. So they
worshiped the things God made but not the Creator himself, who is to
be praised forever. Amen. That is why God abandoned them to their
shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to
have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other. And the men,
instead of having normal sexual relationships with women, burned with
lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men and, as a
result, suffered within themselves the penalty they so richly
deserved. When they refused to acknowledge God, he abandoned them to
their evil minds and let them do things that should never be done.
Their lives became full of every kind of wickedness, sin, greed, hate,
envy, murder, fighting, deception, malicious behavior, and gossip.
They are backstabbers, haters of God, insolent, proud, and boastful.
They are forever inventing new ways of sinning and are disobedient to
their parents. They refuse to understand, break their promises, and
are heartless and unforgiving. They are fully aware of God's death
penalty for those who do these things, yet they go right ahead and do
them anyway. And, worse yet, they encourage others to do them, too.
(Romans 1:24-32 NLT)



Kill Anyone who Approaches the Tabernacle

For the LORD had said to Moses, 'Exempt the tribe of Levi from the
census; do not include them when you count the rest of the Israelites.
You must put the Levites in charge of the Tabernacle of the Covenant,
along with its furnishings and equipment. They must carry the
Tabernacle and its equipment as you travel, and they must care for it
and camp around it. Whenever the Tabernacle is moved, the Levites
will take it down and set it up again. Anyone else who goes too near
the Tabernacle will be executed.' (Numbers 1:48-51 NLT)



Kill People for Working on the Sabbath

The LORD then gave these further instructions to Moses: 'Tell the
people of Israel to keep my Sabbath day, for the Sabbath is a sign of
the covenant between me and you forever. It helps you to remember
that I am the LORD, who makes you holy. Yes, keep the Sabbath day,
for it is holy. Anyone who desecrates it must die; anyone who works
on that day will be cut off from the community. Work six days only,
but the seventh day must be a day of total rest. I repeat: Because
the LORD considers it a holy day, anyone who works on the Sabbath must
be put to death.' (Exodus 31:12-15 NLT)
Post by Bob Weigel
We've covered this many times in here. Ch9 of the Quaran is quite detailed
about the open eneded command to murder all non believers wherever you find
them. This was the original thrust of islam before charlamagne stopped them
for many centuries. Whenever the religion gets enough cohesion to do it
again, we can expect such things. Then we have to refresh our memories
about what their own text says. -Bob
Post by Paul Abeles
If Islam is a peaceful religion how do Muslims explain the barbaric
murders
Post by Paul Abeles
of innocent people by bomb and beheading in the name of Allah? What tenet
of
Post by Paul Abeles
Islam allows this?
Why do Muslims protest about the war in Iraq BUT not against beheadings
and
Post by Paul Abeles
bombings?
Jim Ledford
2004-10-19 00:57:07 UTC
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twofeathers wrote:
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Death to Followers of Other Religions
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what is death?

I believe that to be a place without God's presence.
God's choice, God's deciding and God's power created
this place where God is not and will not be.

if I choose a life without God then I'm
choosing death, eternal death is simply a place where
God is not.

through [God in the flesh] - Jesus, I can receive
eternal life and that is choosing an eternity with
God. God is a living God filled with Love and all
the goodness I see, feel and know in this
physical portion of our eternal existence.

my soul is eternal. by my choice to receive
Jesus I receive eternal life with God. those who
reject the salvation given by [God in the flesh] -
Jesus, are choosing an eternity without God.


in order for God's Word to remain true and correct
then a part of what [God in the flesh] - Jesus had
to experience was ([death] i.e. - a place where God is not.)

Jesus is the ONLY human to conquer death! why? first
because Jesus is [God in the flesh], Almighty, All
knowing and ALL loving. second, Jesus experienced
death for us so we don't have to. Jesus paid all for us.

all debt to God is going to be paid in full in accordance
with God's Word.

Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God
is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.


when Jesus took on ALL of the sins of the world i.e. mankind,
Jesus did so in order to pay the debt mankind owes God for
sin. [Rom 6:23] this is why I know [God in the flesh]- Jesus
experienced an amount of time out of the presence of God the Father.
the debt is paid in full and in accordance / conformity with God's
Word. [Rom 6:23]


it is very difficult for 'us' to understand the Trinity.

Trinity - : the unity of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit as
three persons in one Godhead according to 'MY' Christian belief.

if you'd asked me about the Trinity 10 years ago, I'd replied
"the three are separate yet but one." that is still my best
explanation.



Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith;
and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
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